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Who Do You Support in the 2016 Election?

Hillary Rodham Clinton (Democrat)
376
37%
Donald J. Trump (Republican)
277
27%
Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
159
16%
Jill Stein (Green)
104
10%
Undecided
40
4%
Other
57
6%
 
Total votes : 1013

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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:24 pm

UED wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:
He botched Trump winning the Republican Primary though, right?

Granted, almost no one would have thought that would happen at the start.


Silver is far better at general than primary partially cause no one really realized just how angry the white working class was (the ones who didn't have a college degree) at the status quo. Plus demographics of the Republican party are radically different from that of the Democrat Party.

Lot's of people realized it. Just no one in the punditry or at the head of the Republican Party.
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Postby UED » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:25 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
UED wrote:
Silver is far better at general than primary partially cause no one really realized just how angry the white working class was (the ones who didn't have a college degree) at the status quo. Plus demographics of the Republican party are radically different from that of the Democrat Party.

Lot's of people realized it. Just no one in the punditry or at the head of the Republican Party.


Omg have u read the GOP post-2012 election report? It talked all about bringing minorities, the younger voters and women into the fold of the party....
Yeaaaa 2016 isn't following that model...
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Postby Patridam » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:26 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Patridam wrote:So Donald Trump may or may not have early onset dementia, and Hillary Clinton has a handler carrying seizure medication for her and has a tendency to fall. Is... Is Johnson at least healthy?

You fall once and you're unqualified for the presidency, I guess.


It's hardly unexpected that we would make fun of her for falling, lord knows that the media never let Ford live it down despite the fact it was a fluke as he was a healthy former athlete).

Gauthier wrote:So how does that explain Gerald Ford?


Perhaps it's that falling merely makes you ineligible to win an election.

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Patridam wrote:
That's not the "evidence" to which I was referring. This would be more relevant:
https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpre ... am-pen.jpg
https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpre ... m-pen1.jpg

You're reaching.


I didn't say the evidence was undeniable, I just wanted to clarify this what the evidence I was referring to and not the one "debunked" by Snopes.

Incidentally, I don't think that guy is a bodyguard. He's wearing the wrong shoes and that tie is extremely suspect, not to mention there's no badge on his belt. I also don't see a gun, but the angle of the shot could be the cause of the gun not showing.


There are undoubtedly bodyguards around the Clintons at all times; however, this guy is not a bodyguard, he is a doctor/medical handler. He's been with by Hillary's side for 3 years now:
http://i1.wp.com/www.dangerandplay.com/ ... =550%2C382
http://i1.wp.com/www.dangerandplay.com/ ... =550%2C305
http://i2.wp.com/www.dangerandplay.com/ ... =550%2C423
https://i.sli.mg/KD00bY.jpg
http://i2.wp.com/www.dangerandplay.com/ ... =550%2C443
Ashmoria wrote:and you think the ss man would hold it in his hand at all times?

seems a little unlikely to me.


Not a secret service man, a doctor/medical handler privately hired by the Clintons. And he obviously doesn't hold it in his hands at all times, there would be more photos of him holding it then; he was perhaps putting it in a different pocket or something when this photo happened to be snapped.
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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:31 pm

UED wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Lot's of people realized it. Just no one in the punditry or at the head of the Republican Party.


Omg have u read the GOP post-2012 election report? It talked all about brining minorities, the younger voters and women into the fold of the party....
Yeaaaa 2016 isn't following that model...

OMG, did you actually read what my comment said?

Yeah, no shit it's not following that path. The structure and rhetoric of the modern Republican Party more or less precludes it from appealing to anyone but older, White Americans.
Last edited by Eol Sha on Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:35 pm, edited 2 times in total.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:32 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
UED wrote:
Omg have u read the GOP post-2012 election report? It talked all about brining minorities, the younger voters and women into the fold of the party....
Yeaaaa 2016 isn't following that model...

OMG, did you actually read what my comment said?

OMG, did UED actually say "... brining minorities, the younger voters and women ..."
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Postby UED » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:32 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
UED wrote:
Omg have u read the GOP post-2012 election report? It talked all about brining minorities, the younger voters and women into the fold of the party....
Yeaaaa 2016 isn't following that model...

OMG, did you actually read what my comment said?


Lol I did, yea I phrased it wrong. But like did u actually like read the entire/bulk of text of the report?
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Postby UED » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:33 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:OMG, did you actually read what my comment said?

OMG, did UED actually say "... brining minorities, the younger voters and women ..."


The secret is out!!!!
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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:34 pm

UED wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:OMG, did you actually read what my comment said?


Lol I did, yea I phrased it wrong. But like did u actually like read the entire/bulk of text of the report?

Of course, I didn't. I was 16. I do remember reading and hearing and watching videos about the contents of the report, though.

Like edited into the post you responded to: Yeah, no shit it's not following that path. The structure and rhetoric of the modern Republican Party more or less precludes it from appealing to anyone but older, White Americans.

Also, sorry about bein' snarky. Just couldn't pass up the opportunity.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby UED » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:37 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
UED wrote:
Lol I did, yea I phrased it wrong. But like did u actually like read the entire/bulk of text of the report?

Of course, I didn't. I was 16. I do remember reading and hearing and watching videos about the contents of the report, though.

Like edited into the post you responded to: Yeah, no shit it's not following that path. The structure and rhetoric of the modern Republican Party more or less precludes it from appealing to anyone but older, White Americans.

Also, sorry about bein' snarky. Just couldn't pass up the opportunity.


Looool nah it's ok. Lol I just woke up and started going on NS before I do other stuff.
Yea I was looking over the entire report earlier. It actually seemed like a game winning strategy (at least from what I saw fem it) if the nominee wasn't either Cruz or Trump.

Maybe Brining the young, non-white male voters is the purpose of the Republican party this election... :P
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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:38 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:OMG, did you actually read what my comment said?

OMG, did UED actually say "... brining minorities, the younger voters and women ..."

The three words that summon Obama the Daemon General.

Oh wait. Lol. Brining.
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You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby DARGLED » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:39 pm

Neither as both are equally abhorrent monsters.

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Postby Valrifell » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:40 pm

DARGLED wrote:Neither as both are equally abhorrent monsters.


Donald "we should nuke everyone we don't like" Trump is as bad as Hillary "I used a private email server before, oops." Clinton?
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Postby UED » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:40 pm

Evan McMullin announces his bid for presidency.

Wait I don't know too much about this guy. Can he steal the conservative votes away from Trump?
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/e ... 4?cmpid=sf
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:41 pm

DARGLED wrote:Neither as both are equally abhorrent monsters.

Not true at all.

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Postby Geilinor » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:42 pm

UED wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I think people have started worshipping Nate Silver as some manner of god or oracle.


:)

But he is very accurate for the past two elections. I trust him and Princeton the most.

The now cast is extremely sensitive, use polls-only instead.
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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:43 pm

Valrifell wrote:
DARGLED wrote:Neither as both are equally abhorrent monsters.


Donald "we should nuke everyone we don't like" Trump is as bad as Hillary "I used a private email server once, oops." Clinton?

Well, not "once".
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Dahon » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:44 pm

UED wrote:Evan McMullin announces his bid for presidency.

Wait I don't know too much about this guy. Can he steal the conservative votes away from Trump?
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/e ... 4?cmpid=sf


You're assuming bonafide conservatives didn't run away screaming at the sight of Trump.

And his orange hair-wig.

And his tiny tiny hands.

And his dick (the only part of him that's large, the better to fuck everyone sight unseen).

And his lack of conservative bonafides.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:47 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Donald "we should nuke everyone we don't like" Trump is as bad as Hillary "I used a private email server once, oops." Clinton?

Well, not "once".


Poor phrasing.
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Postby UED » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:48 pm

Dahon wrote:
UED wrote:Evan McMullin announces his bid for presidency.

Wait I don't know too much about this guy. Can he steal the conservative votes away from Trump?
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/e ... 4?cmpid=sf


You're assuming bonafide conservatives didn't run away screaming at the sight of Trump.

And his orange hair-wig.

And his tiny tiny hands.

And his dick (the only part of him that's large, the better to fuck everyone sight unseen).

And his lack of conservative bonafides.


Saiwana was a conservative who didn't change sides until recently soooooo...
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Postby Liriena » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:50 pm

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Donald Trump unveiled his administration’s economic policy plan Monday at the Detroit Economic Club. Here are Trump’s main economic proposals:

Prevent American companies from outsourcing jobs to women or minorities

Lower the corporate tax rate for CEOs too stupid to find a loophole

Do whatever you’re supposed to do with interest rates

Larger numbers for everyone

Round up and deport nation’s manufacturing robots

Raise taxes on the ultra-foreign

Spur innovation by speeding up demise of habitable climate

Cap top income tax rate at 25 percent or 33 percent or 14 percent or something in that general vicinity, but it’s hard to tell where the chips will fall

America’s financial woes to be eased significantly by cash gifts from America’s father
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Postby Dahon » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:58 pm

UED wrote:
Dahon wrote:
You're assuming bonafide conservatives didn't run away screaming at the sight of Trump.

And his orange hair-wig.

And his tiny tiny hands.

And his dick (the only part of him that's large, the better to fuck everyone sight unseen).

And his lack of conservative bonafides.


Saiwana was a conservative who didn't change sides until recently soooooo...


Saiwania's... well, he's not conservative. He's a bigot... yeah, well, the less I say about him, the better. I don't want to get banned again on his account.
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:07 pm

Patridam wrote:
and you think the ss man would hold it in his hand at all times?

seems a little unlikely to me.


Not a secret service man, a doctor/medical handler privately hired by the Clintons. And he obviously doesn't hold it in his hands at all times, there would be more photos of him holding it then; he was perhaps putting it in a different pocket or something when this photo happened to be snapped.


why wouldn't it be for himself?
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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:08 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Patridam wrote:
It's hardly unexpected that we would make fun of her for falling, lord knows that the media never let Ford live it down despite the fact it was a fluke as he was a healthy former athlete).



Perhaps it's that falling merely makes you ineligible to win an election.



I didn't say the evidence was undeniable, I just wanted to clarify this what the evidence I was referring to and not the one "debunked" by Snopes.



There are undoubtedly bodyguards around the Clintons at all times; however, this guy is not a bodyguard, he is a doctor/medical handler. He's been with by Hillary's side for 3 years now:
http://i1.wp.com/www.dangerandplay.com/ ... =550%2C382
http://i1.wp.com/www.dangerandplay.com/ ... =550%2C305
http://i2.wp.com/www.dangerandplay.com/ ... =550%2C423
https://i.sli.mg/KD00bY.jpg
http://i2.wp.com/www.dangerandplay.com/ ... =550%2C443

Not a secret service man, a doctor/medical handler privately hired by the Clintons. And he obviously doesn't hold it in his hands at all times, there would be more photos of him holding it then; he was perhaps putting it in a different pocket or something when this photo happened to be snapped.


why wouldn't it be for himself?

Or Bill.
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:12 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
why wouldn't it be for himself?

Or Bill.

yeah

I would think that if mrs Clinton needed an antiseizure pen she would keep it in her purse next to her bottle of hot sauce.
whatever

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:13 pm

UED wrote:Evan McMullin announces his bid for presidency.

Wait I don't know too much about this guy. Can he steal the conservative votes away from Trump?
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/e ... 4?cmpid=sf

Except he's missed the filing deadline in about two dozen states. In Utah, though, he could make a difference.
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