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Who Do You Support in the 2016 Election?

Hillary Rodham Clinton (Democrat)
376
37%
Donald J. Trump (Republican)
277
27%
Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
159
16%
Jill Stein (Green)
104
10%
Undecided
40
4%
Other
57
6%
 
Total votes : 1013

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Postby Dahon » Mon Aug 08, 2016 4:58 pm

Eol Sha wrote:So I was reading through Wikipedia's current events stub when I read that a Filipino lawmaker proposed a bill that would ban Donald Trump from traveling to the Philippines. Why, do you ask, would they want to do that? From the Washington Post:

A lawmaker in the Philippines is calling for Donald Trump to be banned from the country after the U.S. presidential candidate suggested that Philippine immigrants posed a threat to the United States.

"There is no feasible basis or reasonable justification to the wholesale labeling of Filipinos as coming from a 'terrorist state' or that they will be a Trojan horse,” Joey Salceda said in a bill filed in Manila's House of Representatives, according to the Philippine Star.

At a rally in Portland, Maine, on Thursday afternoon, Trump included the Philippines on a list of countries he said had sent immigrants who had plotted to kill Americans, sometimes successfully. "We're letting people come in from terrorist nations that shouldn't be allowed because you can't vet them," he said. "There's no way of vetting them. You have no idea who they are. This could be the great Trojan horse of all time."

In his proposed legislation to ban Trump, Salceda cited a 2001 memorandum issued by the Philippine immigration agency. It says foreign nationals who disrespect the authority of the Philippines can be blacklisted in the interest of public safety.

Salceda, citing data from the U.S. State Department, said that about 4 million people of Philippine descent live in the United States, making them the second-largest Asian American group in the country. The lawmaker, who represents a district in Albay province, said Trump's “remarks have had widespread dissemination, thus aggravating the shame it has already put [on] Filipinos and Filipino Muslims, including Filipino migrants and overseas Filipino workers who this House and our society have recognized as modern heroes of our country.”

Trump, whose provocative views on immigration have upset even members of his own Republican Party, last year proposed a ban on Muslims entering the United States, citing fears of terrorism. That proposal prompted Britain's Parliament to call a debate in January on whether to ban Trump. The debate was noteworthy for its colorful language — one lawmaker called Trump "the orange prince of American self-publicity" — but the move to ban him was unsuccessful. He visited Scotland for the opening of a golf course in June.

Trump has since revised his proposal on a Muslim ban several times. Despite some indications that he was backing down from the controversial proposal, however, he said last month that his position on banning Muslims has "gotten bigger."

Trump does not have major business interests in the Philippines, though he has licensed his name to the Trump Tower Manila, a large residential tower scheduled to open in the Philippine capital this year. In response to his comments in Maine, Philippine Presidential Communications Office Secretary Martin Andanar released a statement saying that Trump had "professed his love for the Philippines" during the launch event for the Trump Tower Manila, calling it a "special place."

According to GMA News, Salceda said the “ugliness of utterances, largely unprompted and undeserved,” by Trump last week stood in contrast to the warm welcome he had received from the Philippines when launching the Trump Tower Manila.

Ironically, the Philippines' recently elected president, Rodrigo Duterte, has been called the "Trump of the East" for his controversial statements about drug dealers and rape. Trump adviser Paul Manafort also worked with Philippine dictator Ferdinand Marcos in the 1980s.


I guess Trump is really looking to piss off all of America's closest allies.

Also, apparently, Senator Schatz from Hawai'i condemned Trump's comments.


My reaction.

Also, apparently he has his name turding in my turf? Well then -- I know where to rally next.
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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Aug 08, 2016 4:59 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Patridam wrote:
That's not the "evidence" to which I was referring. This would be more relevant:
https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpre ... am-pen.jpg
https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpre ... m-pen1.jpg

and you think the ss man would hold it in his hand at all times?

seems a little unlikely to me.

Hmm, maybe the Secret Service should adopt a new name.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:02 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:and you think the ss man would hold it in his hand at all times?

seems a little unlikely to me.

Hmm, maybe the Secret Service should adopt a new name.

The Not-Secret Service.

I mean, not much of a secret at this stage.
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Postby New Jerzylvania » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:07 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:and you think the ss man would hold it in his hand at all times?

seems a little unlikely to me.

Hmm, maybe the Secret Service should adopt a new name.


In the last week of November 1963 they were known in some quarters as Stainmaster.
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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:08 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Hmm, maybe the Secret Service should adopt a new name.

The Not-Secret Service.

I mean, not much of a secret at this stage.

Maybe the "Presidential Guard", but the cries of totalitarianism are gonna come immediately.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:08 pm

New Jerzylvania wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Hmm, maybe the Secret Service should adopt a new name.


In the last week of November 1963 they were known in some quarters as Stainmaster.

Boo. I thought that was what they were called after the scandal in 2012.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:08 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The Not-Secret Service.

I mean, not much of a secret at this stage.

Maybe the "Presidential Guard", but the cries of totalitarianism are gonna come immediately.

Remember, they also go after counterfeiters. That's their original job.
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Postby New Jerzylvania » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:09 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
New Jerzylvania wrote:
I believe the African American population in SC is in the 40-50 percentile range. Hillary is winning them 93-6 in one of the latest nationwide polls. Hello South Carolina!

South Carolina's black population is 28%, behind Mississippi (37%), Louisiana (32%), Georgia (31%) and Maryland (29%). http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/opini ... -belt.html


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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:10 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Maybe the "Presidential Guard", but the cries of totalitarianism are gonna come immediately.

Remember, they also go after counterfeiters. That's their original job.

Give that job to someone else? Or maybe create a new agency and move the Secret Service from Treasury to some other Department?

Edit: They already got moved to DHS in 2003.
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Postby New Jerzylvania » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:12 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
New Jerzylvania wrote:
In the last week of November 1963 they were known in some quarters as Stainmaster.

Boo. I thought that was what they were called after the scandal in 2012.


Actually the car was sent to Ford in Detroit immediately, so they were actually Stainmaster in 1963.

I believe Linda Tripp was also a contender for the world's championship in the Stainmaster competition.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:16 pm

New Jerzylvania wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Boo. I thought that was what they were called after the scandal in 2012.


Actually the car was sent to Ford in Detroit immediately, so they were actually Stainmaster in 1963.

I believe Linda Tripp was also a contender for the world's championship in the Stainmaster competition.

Clinton's approval rating rose after the impeachment. George W. Bush should have gotten himself impeached and acquitted in his last couple of years in office. Clinton finished in the mid-60s, GWB in the mid-30s.

But we digress.
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Postby UED » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:19 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
New Jerzylvania wrote:
Actually the car was sent to Ford in Detroit immediately, so they were actually Stainmaster in 1963.

I believe Linda Tripp was also a contender for the world's championship in the Stainmaster competition.

Clinton's approval rating rose after the impeachment. George W. Bush should have gotten himself impeached and acquitted in his last couple of years in office. Clinton finished in the mid-60s, GWB in the mid-30s.

But we digress.


IS ANYONE SEEING THIS?
South Carolina! TURNED BLUE (if the election was held today)?!?!?

What a time to live in!!
Seriously this is like, unimaginable had this been asked a year ago..
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:20 pm

UED wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Clinton's approval rating rose after the impeachment. George W. Bush should have gotten himself impeached and acquitted in his last couple of years in office. Clinton finished in the mid-60s, GWB in the mid-30s.

But we digress.


IS ANYONE SEEING THIS?
South Carolina! TURNED BLUE (if the election was held today)?!?!?

What a time to live in!!
Seriously this is like, unimaginable had this been asked a year ago..

Sez who?
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Postby UED » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:20 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
UED wrote:
IS ANYONE SEEING THIS?
South Carolina! TURNED BLUE (if the election was held today)?!?!?

What a time to live in!!
Seriously this is like, unimaginable had this been asked a year ago..

Sez who?


http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/201 ... ecast/#now

If the election was held today.
Also lol the 96.4% chance of Clinton winning is omg
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:21 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
UED wrote:
IS ANYONE SEEING THIS?
South Carolina! TURNED BLUE (if the election was held today)?!?!?

What a time to live in!!
Seriously this is like, unimaginable had this been asked a year ago..

Sez who?

I think people have started worshipping Nate Silver as some manner of god or oracle.
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Postby UED » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:22 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Sez who?

I think people have started worshipping Nate Silver as some manner of god or oracle.


:)

But he is very accurate for the past two elections. I trust him and Princeton the most.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:22 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Sez who?

I think people have started worshipping Nate Silver as some manner of god or oracle.


Why not both?
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:22 pm

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Ifreann wrote:I think people have started worshipping Nate Silver as some manner of god or oracle.


:)

But he is very accurate for the past two elections. I trust him and Princeton the most.


He botched Trump winning the Republican Primary though, right?

Granted, almost no one would have thought that would happen at the start.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:23 pm

UED wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Sez who?


http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/201 ... ecast/#now

If the election was held today.
Also lol the 96.4% chance of Clinton winning is omg

The poll there is Democrats up by 0.3%. I'd wouldn't open the champagne just yet.
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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:23 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Sez who?

I think people have started worshipping Nate Silver as some manner of god or oracle.

It would seem that way. However, half the conversations in this thread would be gone if not for 538. :lol2:
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Postby UED » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:23 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
UED wrote:
:)

But he is very accurate for the past two elections. I trust him and Princeton the most.


He botched Trump winning the Republican Primary though, right?

Granted, almost no one would have thought that would happen at the start.


Silver is far better at general than primary partially cause no one really realized just how angry the white working class was (the ones who didn't have a college degree) at the status quo. Plus demographics of the Republican party are radically different from that of the Democrat Party.
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Pantuxia wrote:What happened to New Jerzylvania?

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Postby UED » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:24 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
UED wrote:
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/201 ... ecast/#now

If the election was held today.
Also lol the 96.4% chance of Clinton winning is omg

The poll there is Democrats up by 0.3%. I'd wouldn't open the champagne just yet.


I'm not saying they'll win. I'm saying the possibility of them having a nearly 50-50 of just winning today is mind-blowing for me.
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