US General Election Thread III: Clinton vs. Trump

[Neutraligon]

And FDR had polio and could barely walk, spending lots of time in a wheelchair. Epilepsy and occasionally losing your balance, which is common among older people, are both easily managed and not concerning, if she does in fact suffer from those.

This is the first I've heard of Clinton having epilepsy.

According to Snopes, the claim is false. http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-seizure-video/

I still don't see what is wrong with with having epilepsy, at least so far as being the president is concerned.

[Saiwania]

He was probably right about ted cruz. God willing we will never find out for sure.

Like Ted Cruz or not, unlike Trump he actually debates and has policy substance to his platform. Was part of the debate club in his youth. All Trump ever does is wing it. That is the primary reason why he is losing by so much, it is because he is the "emperor with no clothes."

Republicans had the opportunity to nominate perhaps the greatest constitutional conservative in a generation, someone who might've been as great as Reagan in the long run. Instead we got a charlatan like Trump who says and does stupid stuff. An utter disgrace.

[Gauthier]

Have you ever seen them both at the same place at the same time?

DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN

Because she travels through time.

[Valrifell]

This is the first I've heard of Clinton having epilepsy.

According to Snopes, the claim is false. http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-seizure-video/

I still don't see what is wrong with with having epilepsy, at least so far as being the president is concerned.

People prefer to see their leaders as strong as invulnerable or something. Having physical/medical problems is definitely something you want to avoid making public if you're running for a high enough office. Didn't FDR have to hide his polio and it was only revealed he had died?

[Implacable Death]

So apparently Hillary's health is terrible.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpTYqCPUkAI4Hdz.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpUTFRfVUAA_ETM.jpg

What happens if her health falls to such a depth that she can't run anymore? Does her running mate automatically take over? Or does the democratic vote go bye bye?

>accidentally slips and falls
>no longer qualified to be president
What?

Where did you get that? I'm available for remedial English classes, if you need some. Well, you obviously do. I said no such thing. Her HEALTH. You know? Santé? Saúde? Kaséhatan? Veseliba? ସ୍ୱାସ୍ଥ୍ୟ? Zdravie?

[Eol Sha]

I still don't see what is wrong with with having epilepsy, at least so far as being the president is concerned.

People prefer to see their leaders as strong as invulnerable or something. Having physical/medical problems is definitely something you want to avoid making public if you're running for a high enough office. Didn't FDR have to hide his polio and it was only revealed he had died?

The press hid it out of respect for FDR.

[Patridam]

And FDR had polio and could barely walk, spending lots of time in a wheelchair. Epilepsy and occasionally losing your balance, which is common among older people, are both easily managed and not concerning, if she does in fact suffer from those.

This is the first I've heard of Clinton having epilepsy.

According to Snopes, the claim is false. http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-seizure-video/

That's not the "evidence" to which I was referring. This would be more relevant:
https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpre ... am-pen.jpg
https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpre ... m-pen1.jpg

[Implacable Death]

Also, there's this speaking against the clintons:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-25/clinton-cash-debut-just-time-fan-flames-tension-dnc

[Hurdergaryp]

This is the first I've heard of Clinton having epilepsy.

According to Snopes, the claim is false. http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-seizure-video/

I still don't see what is wrong with with having epilepsy, at least so far as being the president is concerned.

Clearly it is an attempt at getting Trump up again in the polls by claiming that Clinton is not healthy enough to become the president or something. Can't say I'm surprised that they're going for such a low blow.

[Eol Sha]

Also, there's this speaking against the clintons:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-25/clinton-cash-debut-just-time-fan-flames-tension-dnc

It doesn't appear to have affected her standing in the polls.

[Gauthier]

I still don't see what is wrong with with having epilepsy, at least so far as being the president is concerned.

Clearly it is an attempt at getting Trump up again in the polls by claiming that Clinton is not healthy enough to become the president or something. Can't say I'm surprised that they're going for such a low blow.

Maybe if enough right-wing sites talk about it Trump will latch onto the talking point and start doing "impressions" of Hillary Clinton having a seizure.

[Alvecia]

This is the first I've heard of Clinton having epilepsy.

According to Snopes, the claim is false. http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-seizure-video/

That's not the "evidence" to which I was referring. This would be more relevant:
https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpre ... am-pen.jpg
https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpre ... m-pen1.jpg

Oh my God that poor bodyguard is about to have an epileptic seizure!

[Galloism]

This is the first I've heard of Clinton having epilepsy.

According to Snopes, the claim is false. http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-seizure-video/

That's not the "evidence" to which I was referring. This would be more relevant:
https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpre ... am-pen.jpg
https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpre ... m-pen1.jpg

You're reaching.

Incidentally, I don't think that guy is a bodyguard. He's wearing the wrong shoes and that tie is extremely suspect, not to mention there's no badge on his belt. I also don't see a gun, but the angle of the shot could be the cause of the gun not showing.

[Hurdergaryp]

Clearly it is an attempt at getting Trump up again in the polls by claiming that Clinton is not healthy enough to become the president or something. Can't say I'm surprised that they're going for such a low blow.

Maybe if enough right-wing sites talk about it Trump will latch onto the talking point and start doing "impressions" of Hillary Clinton having a seizure.

Time for a Blitzkrieg of the Blogosphere in support of the ultimate American Greatmaker.

[USS Monitor]

AFAIK, he's in good health. He climbs mountains and stuff. He likes marijuana, but says he wouldn't get stoned while in office, so it's up to you how much you care about that and if you take his word about quitting.

TBH, the stuff about the seizure medication is a bit conspiracy theory-ish. I haven't seen it corroborated by a source I trust.

Nor do I see what is wrong with seizure medication, but then a friend of mine had grand-mal seizures due to his epilepsy.

That's true too. I wouldn't ditch Johnson if I learned that he was epileptic, so I don't think Clinton supporters would ditch her over something like that either.

[Eol Sha]

This is the first I've heard of Clinton having epilepsy.

According to Snopes, the claim is false. http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-seizure-video/

That's not the "evidence" to which I was referring. This would be more relevant:
https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpre ... am-pen.jpg
https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpre ... m-pen1.jpg

What exactly makes you think that whatever it is is for Hillary Clinton?

[Hurdergaryp]

That's not the "evidence" to which I was referring. This would be more relevant:
https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpre ... am-pen.jpg
https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpre ... m-pen1.jpg

You're reaching.

Incidentally, I don't think that guy is a bodyguard. He's wearing the wrong shoes and that tie is extremely suspect, not to mention there's no badge on his belt. I also don't see a gun, but the angle of the shot could be the cause of the gun not showing.

That little cilinder could very well be an e-cigarette instead.

[Gauthier]

You're reaching.

Incidentally, I don't think that guy is a bodyguard. He's wearing the wrong shoes and that tie is extremely suspect, not to mention there's no badge on his belt. I also don't see a gun, but the angle of the shot could be the cause of the gun not showing.

That little cilinder could very well be an e-cigarette instead.

Edit Edit Edit...

"Hillary Clinton is e-cig addict, accepting money from big e-tobacco."

[Eol Sha]

That little cilinder could very well be an e-cigarette instead.

Edit Edit Edit...

"Hillary Clinton is e-cig addict, accepting money from big e-tobacco."

You joke, but I bet that'll be a thing within twenty years. Big E-Tobacco, that is.

[Shonburg]

I still don't see what is wrong with with having epilepsy, at least so far as being the president is concerned.

People prefer to see their leaders as strong as invulnerable or something. Having physical/medical problems is definitely something you want to avoid making public if you're running for a high enough office. Didn't FDR have to hide his polio and it was only revealed he had died?

His leg braces were very visible under his pants and also very loud. Also he often walked arm-in-arm with either his son or an aide and used them as support. The press didn't mention it because it was not relevant to how he performed his duties, but it was obvious to anyone who looked.

[Ngelmish]

He was probably right about ted cruz. God willing we will never find out for sure.

Like Ted Cruz or not, unlike Trump he actually debates and has policy substance to his platform. Was part of the debate club in his youth. All Trump ever does is wing it. That is the primary reason why he is losing by so much, it is because he is the "emperor with no clothes."

Republicans had the opportunity to nominate perhaps the greatest constitutional conservative in a generation, someone who might've been as great as Reagan in the long run. Instead we got a charlatan like Trump who says and does stupid stuff. An utter disgrace.

From an ideological perspective (ethically and pragmatically too, I would argue, but those frameworks are a bit more malleable) the best candidate very rarely wins their parties primary. The Democrats also neglected putting forward their most ideologically impressive candidate this cycle. I think the simple fact of the matter is that ideology and accomplishment are no guarantee of successful personality politics (something that Cruz only occasionally does well) and personality motivates a huge number of voters.

[Neutraligon]

Nor do I see what is wrong with seizure medication, but then a friend of mine had grand-mal seizures due to his epilepsy.

That's true too. I wouldn't ditch Johnson if I learned that he was epileptic, so I don't think Clinton supporters would ditch her over something like that either.

Also, the reason it was relevant for McCain was because of the person who would take over should he die. He chose an idiot as a running mate. The same cannot be said for Hillary's running mate. I have absolutely no objection should she die and he take over as president. In fact, considering his resume I honestly felt he was one of the best people Hillary could have gone with as far as taking over the presidency should something happen to her.

[Eol Sha]

So I was reading through Wikipedia's current events stub when I read that a Filipino lawmaker proposed a bill that would ban Donald Trump from traveling to the Philippines. Why, do you ask, would they want to do that? From the Washington Post:

A lawmaker in the Philippines is calling for Donald Trump to be banned from the country after the U.S. presidential candidate suggested that Philippine immigrants posed a threat to the United States.

"There is no feasible basis or reasonable justification to the wholesale labeling of Filipinos as coming from a 'terrorist state' or that they will be a Trojan horse,” Joey Salceda said in a bill filed in Manila's House of Representatives, according to the Philippine Star.

At a rally in Portland, Maine, on Thursday afternoon, Trump included the Philippines on a list of countries he said had sent immigrants who had plotted to kill Americans, sometimes successfully. "We're letting people come in from terrorist nations that shouldn't be allowed because you can't vet them," he said. "There's no way of vetting them. You have no idea who they are. This could be the great Trojan horse of all time."

In his proposed legislation to ban Trump, Salceda cited a 2001 memorandum issued by the Philippine immigration agency. It says foreign nationals who disrespect the authority of the Philippines can be blacklisted in the interest of public safety.

Salceda, citing data from the U.S. State Department, said that about 4 million people of Philippine descent live in the United States, making them the second-largest Asian American group in the country. The lawmaker, who represents a district in Albay province, said Trump's “remarks have had widespread dissemination, thus aggravating the shame it has already put [on] Filipinos and Filipino Muslims, including Filipino migrants and overseas Filipino workers who this House and our society have recognized as modern heroes of our country.”

Trump, whose provocative views on immigration have upset even members of his own Republican Party, last year proposed a ban on Muslims entering the United States, citing fears of terrorism. That proposal prompted Britain's Parliament to call a debate in January on whether to ban Trump. The debate was noteworthy for its colorful language — one lawmaker called Trump "the orange prince of American self-publicity" — but the move to ban him was unsuccessful. He visited Scotland for the opening of a golf course in June.

Trump has since revised his proposal on a Muslim ban several times. Despite some indications that he was backing down from the controversial proposal, however, he said last month that his position on banning Muslims has "gotten bigger."

Trump does not have major business interests in the Philippines, though he has licensed his name to the Trump Tower Manila, a large residential tower scheduled to open in the Philippine capital this year. In response to his comments in Maine, Philippine Presidential Communications Office Secretary Martin Andanar released a statement saying that Trump had "professed his love for the Philippines" during the launch event for the Trump Tower Manila, calling it a "special place."

According to GMA News, Salceda said the “ugliness of utterances, largely unprompted and undeserved,” by Trump last week stood in contrast to the warm welcome he had received from the Philippines when launching the Trump Tower Manila.

Ironically, the Philippines' recently elected president, Rodrigo Duterte, has been called the "Trump of the East" for his controversial statements about drug dealers and rape. Trump adviser Paul Manafort also worked with Philippine dictator Ferdinand Marcos in the 1980s.

I guess Trump is really looking to piss off all of America's closest allies.

Also, apparently, Senator Schatz from Hawai'i condemned Trump's comments.

[Major-Tom]

He was probably right about ted cruz. God willing we will never find out for sure.

Like Ted Cruz or not, unlike Trump he actually debates and has policy substance to his platform. Was part of the debate club in his youth. All Trump ever does is wing it. That is the primary reason why he is losing by so much, it is because he is the "emperor with no clothes."

Republicans had the opportunity to nominate perhaps the greatest constitutional conservative in a generation, someone who might've been as great as Reagan in the long run. Instead we got a charlatan like Trump who says and does stupid stuff. An utter disgrace.

Cruz is a liar and a fraud, and the notion that he could somehow be some wonderful conservative is unfounded.

I figured you of all people would back Trump. You support right populist movements in Europe that carry the same rhetoric, but not Donald?

[Implacable Death]

Ah yes! Let's ban someone for saying he wants to ban someone else. Tit for tat!