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Who Do You Support in the 2016 Election?

Hillary Rodham Clinton (Democrat)
376
37%
Donald J. Trump (Republican)
277
27%
Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
159
16%
Jill Stein (Green)
104
10%
Undecided
40
4%
Other
57
6%
 
Total votes : 1013

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:14 pm

Implacable Death wrote:So apparently Hillary's health is terrible.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpTYqCPUkAI4Hdz.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpUTFRfVUAA_ETM.jpg

What happens if her health falls to such a depth that she can't run anymore? Does her running mate automatically take over? Or does the democratic vote go bye bye?

So that's the new tactic of Trump's henchmen, now that the 'Hillary is the Devil' approach didn't have the effect it was supposed to have?


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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:15 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:I think the IRS should look into it regardless. Really shouldn't be contingent on partisan preference.

the irs should look into it in general. there are hundreds of churches in this country violating that rule. I don't think it would be fair to focus on one demographic over another.

That's what I said... :?
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Postby Kelinfort » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:15 pm

Implacable Death wrote:So apparently Hillary's health is terrible.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpTYqCPUkAI4Hdz.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpUTFRfVUAA_ETM.jpg

What happens if her health falls to such a depth that she can't run anymore? Does her running mate automatically take over? Or does the democratic vote go bye bye?

She slipped and they caught her fall.

This was back in February. go back to Drudge, Matt.

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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:15 pm

Galloism wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
And the reason that code exists for churches is due to the first amendment. To allow a church to support a specific candidate while allowing them tax exempt status would be the government supporting a religion.

Probably not, no, unless they made only certain religions tax exempt. If it was all religions, there's no argument to be made that the government is supporting a particular religion.


I believe that the first amendment also includes supporting religion over non-religion.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:16 pm

Implacable Death wrote:So apparently Hillary's health is terrible.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpTYqCPUkAI4Hdz.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpUTFRfVUAA_ETM.jpg

What happens if her health falls to such a depth that she can't run anymore? Does her running mate automatically take over? Or does the democratic vote go bye bye?

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:18 pm

Pantuxia wrote:
Galloism wrote:You must give a source for this.

Her DNC rigging? She may have not rigged it herself, but DWS did.

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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:18 pm

Pantuxia wrote:
Ngelmish wrote:
No untoward changing of outcomes occurred, so calling that a rigged election is simply wrong.

She tried to atheist-shame Bernie to lower his chances in Kentucky and WV. This election was decided from Day 1. Her leaked emails showed cooperation between DWS and key members of the media and DNC staff in order to favor Hillary. They had editors come in and edit Reuters articles. I'd call that a rigged election.

oh I missed the actual atheist shaming. do you have a link to some DNC operative doing that?
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Postby Galloism » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:21 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Galloism wrote:Probably not, no, unless they made only certain religions tax exempt. If it was all religions, there's no argument to be made that the government is supporting a particular religion.


I believe that the first amendment also includes supporting religion over non-religion.

Except the government has the interpretation (generally) that serious moral conviction absent a deity is still "religion" for first amendment purposes.

Hell - atheism can be a religion for legal purposes.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... s/2678367/
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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:21 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:
She tried to atheist-shame Bernie to lower his chances in Kentucky and WV. This election was decided from Day 1. Her leaked emails showed cooperation between DWS and key members of the media and DNC staff in order to favor Hillary. They had editors come in and edit Reuters articles. I'd call that a rigged election.

oh I missed the actual atheist shaming. do you have a link to some DNC operative doing that?


Not that it matters at all since the DNC is still not Clinton, nor does it doing something like that mean it is something Clinton supported.
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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:22 pm

Galloism wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
I believe that the first amendment also includes supporting religion over non-religion.

Except the government has the interpretation (generally) that serious moral conviction absent a deity is still "religion" for first amendment purposes.

Hell - atheism can be a religion for legal purposes.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... s/2678367/


In which case atheist "churches" should get the same type of tax exempt status. So then the question becomes, what is a church?
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:22 pm

Implacable Death wrote:So apparently Hillary's health is terrible.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpTYqCPUkAI4Hdz.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpUTFRfVUAA_ETM.jpg

What happens if her health falls to such a depth that she can't run anymore? Does her running mate automatically take over? Or does the democratic vote go bye bye?

if it is possible they would pick another candidate to run. probably joe biden.
whatever

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Postby Galloism » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:23 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Galloism wrote:Except the government has the interpretation (generally) that serious moral conviction absent a deity is still "religion" for first amendment purposes.

Hell - atheism can be a religion for legal purposes.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... s/2678367/


In which case atheist "churches" should get the same type of tax exempt status. So then the question becomes, what is a church?

Atheist churches can get the same exemption.
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:23 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Implacable Death wrote:So apparently Hillary's health is terrible.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpTYqCPUkAI4Hdz.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpUTFRfVUAA_ETM.jpg

What happens if her health falls to such a depth that she can't run anymore? Does her running mate automatically take over? Or does the democratic vote go bye bye?

So that's the new tactic of Trump's henchmen, now that the 'Hillary is the Devil' approach didn't have the effect it was supposed to have?

hes going with the rubber/glue defense where he accuses Clinton of everything they are dissing him over in hopes that the media will feel the need to cover it as if it were true.
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:25 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:oh I missed the actual atheist shaming. do you have a link to some DNC operative doing that?


Not that it matters at all since the DNC is still not Clinton, nor does it doing something like that mean it is something Clinton supported.

for true but I didn't even see a followup email after the one suggesting it much less some action based on it.
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Postby Patridam » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:26 pm

So Donald Trump may or may not have early onset dementia, and Hillary Clinton has a handler carrying seizure medication for her and has a tendency to fall. Is... Is Johnson at least healthy?
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:27 pm

Back in January, Bob Dole warned of "cataclysmic losses" if Ted Cruz were the nominee. Saying that Donald Trump would fare better, so much for that. Why did the Republican party have to take advice from one of our loser candidates?
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:28 pm

Patridam wrote:So Donald Trump may or may not have early onset dementia, and Hillary Clinton has a handler carrying seizure medication for her and has a tendency to fall. Is... Is Johnson at least healthy?

who cares, he would be a terrible president.
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:29 pm

Saiwania wrote:Back in January, Bob Dole warned of "cataclysmic losses" if Ted Cruz were the nominee. Saying that Donald Trump would fare better, so much for that. Why did the Republican party have to take advice from one of our loser candidates?

he was probably right about ted cruz.

god willing we will never find out for sure.
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Postby Nariterrr » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:29 pm

Saiwania wrote:Back in January, Bob Dole warned of "cataclysmic losses" if Ted Cruz were the nominee. Saying that Donald Trump would fare better, so much for that. Why did the Republican party have to take advice from one of our loser candidates?

Saiwania, I've gotta say it, you are the LAST person I thought would support Hillary.
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Postby Patridam » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:30 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Patridam wrote:So Donald Trump may or may not have early onset dementia, and Hillary Clinton has a handler carrying seizure medication for her and has a tendency to fall. Is... Is Johnson at least healthy?

who cares, he would be a terrible president.


That's not what I asked, and it was not at all what I was even wanting to discuss. Ass.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:31 pm

Nariterrr wrote:Saiwania, I've gotta say it, you are the LAST person I thought would support Hillary.


It is literally only because she is qualified and knows what she is doing while Trump simply isn't and is in way over his head. There will be no joy for me when Clinton inevitably wins. This is more or less a coronation year.
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Postby Shonburg » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:31 pm

Patridam wrote:So Donald Trump may or may not have early onset dementia, and Hillary Clinton has a handler carrying seizure medication for her and has a tendency to fall. Is... Is Johnson at least healthy?

And FDR had polio and could barely walk, spending lots of time in a wheelchair. Epilepsy and occasionally losing your balance, which is common among older people, are both easily managed and not concerning, if she does in fact suffer from those.
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Postby USS Monitor » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:35 pm

Patridam wrote:So Donald Trump may or may not have early onset dementia, and Hillary Clinton has a handler carrying seizure medication for her and has a tendency to fall. Is... Is Johnson at least healthy?


AFAIK, he's in good health. He climbs mountains and stuff. He likes marijuana, but says he wouldn't get stoned while in office, so it's up to you how much you care about that and if you take his word about quitting.

TBH, the stuff about the seizure medication is a bit conspiracy theory-ish. I haven't seen it corroborated by a source I trust.
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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:38 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Patridam wrote:So Donald Trump may or may not have early onset dementia, and Hillary Clinton has a handler carrying seizure medication for her and has a tendency to fall. Is... Is Johnson at least healthy?


AFAIK, he's in good health. He climbs mountains and stuff. He likes marijuana, but says he wouldn't get stoned while in office, so it's up to you how much you care about that and if you take his word about quitting.

TBH, the stuff about the seizure medication is a bit conspiracy theory-ish. I haven't seen it corroborated by a source I trust.


Nor do I see what is wrong with seizure medication, but then a friend of mine had grand-mal seizures due to his epilepsy.
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:39 pm

Shonburg wrote:
Patridam wrote:So Donald Trump may or may not have early onset dementia, and Hillary Clinton has a handler carrying seizure medication for her and has a tendency to fall. Is... Is Johnson at least healthy?

And FDR had polio and could barely walk, spending lots of time in a wheelchair. Epilepsy and occasionally losing your balance, which is common among older people, are both easily managed and not concerning, if she does in fact suffer from those.

This is the first I've heard of Clinton having epilepsy.

According to Snopes, the claim is false. http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-seizure-video/
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