Aleppo Crisis

[Novus America]

Yes. Assad and his cronies stole the money that could have been used help farmers. And did jack shit to fix Syria's problems. People naturally got pissed. If Assad had not been such a greedy fool this could have been avoided.

Funny some self claimed Marxists and socialists on here defend him, when he has done jack shit to help the poor workers, instead he screws them over to make is outrageously rich family richer.

Well the Syrian communist party support him, and not all Marxists back Assad, some "communists" back the rebels even that the rebels are terrorists supported by the imperialist USA.

The Syrian Communist party is a corrupt show party. That exists only to give the regime cover. I guess some people fall for it.

And it makes sense Communists would support the people rebelling against Assad's hereditary fiefdom. Syria has crushing poverty and wealth inequality. Assad and his family and cronies are incredibly rich while most people are very poor.

[Bakery Hill]

Do these people look like starving farmers? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIop4-Gq4Zw

It did not start with ISIS. And if you are a Marxist why do you not support the people uprising against a corrupt feudal regime?

Marxists don't support all revolutions?

[Lonograd]

Do these people look like starving farmers? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIop4-Gq4Zw

It did not start with ISIS. And if you are a Marxist why do you not support the people uprising against a corrupt feudal regime?

There are over Islamist groups over than ISIS. And the rebels are reactionaries who want to overthrow the socialist government of Syria and replace it with sharia like system, it's basically like Afghanistan during the cold war.

[Freefall11111]

It did not start with ISIS. And if you are a Marxist why do you not support the people uprising against a corrupt feudal regime?

There are over Islamist groups over than ISIS. And the rebels are reactionaries who want to overthrow the socialist government of Syria and replace it with sharia like system, it's basically like Afghanistan during the cold war.

Syria isn't socialist.

[Lonograd]

There are over Islamist groups over than ISIS. And the rebels are reactionaries who want to overthrow the socialist government of Syria and replace it with sharia like system, it's basically like Afghanistan during the cold war.

Syria isn't socialist.

Yes it is.

[Freefall11111]

Syria isn't socialist.

Yes it is.

Where are the worker co-ops in Syria, exactly?

[Lonograd]

Yes it is.

Where are the worker co-ops in Syria, exactly?

Syria is ruled by the Arab socialist Ba'ath party.

[Freefall11111]

Where are the worker co-ops in Syria, exactly?

Syria is ruled by the Arab socialist Ba'ath party.

You didn't answer my question. Where are the worker co-ops in Syria?

[Lonograd]

Syria is ruled by the Arab socialist Ba'ath party.

You didn't answer my question. Where are the worker co-ops in Syria?

They've probably been destroyed by the western backed terrorists.

[Freefall11111]

You didn't answer my question. Where are the worker co-ops in Syria?

They've probably been destroyed by the western backed terrorists.

So you can't find any evidence of worker co-ops in Syria?

[Lonograd]

They've probably been destroyed by the western backed terrorists.

So you can't find any evidence of worker co-ops in Syria?

no.

[Freefall11111]

So you can't find any evidence of worker co-ops in Syria?

no.

Then there's no reason to think they exist, and no reason to think Syria is socialist.

Nice of you to admit to it, at least.

[Lonograd]

no.

Then there's no reason to think they exist, and no reason to think Syria is socialist.

Nice of you to admit to it, at least.

If Syria isn't socialist, how come it was allies with the soviet union, Cuba and the DPRK?

[Freefall11111]

Then there's no reason to think they exist, and no reason to think Syria is socialist.

Nice of you to admit to it, at least.

If Syria isn't socialist, how come it was allies with the soviet union, Cuba and the DPRK?

I'm going to ignore your assumption those countries were socialist (they weren't and aren't, there are no worker co-ops in them), and instead beg you to take a basic geopolitical course. States don't ally themselves based on ideology, they ally themselves based on mutual geopolitical interests. By your logic, the USSR and China should've been friends, but we all know how that turned out.

[Lonograd]

If Syria isn't socialist, how come it was allies with the soviet union, Cuba and the DPRK?

I'm going to ignore your assumption those countries were socialist (they weren't and aren't, there are no worker co-ops in them), and instead beg you to take a basic geopolitical course. States don't ally themselves based on ideology, they ally themselves based on mutual geopolitical interests. By your logic, the USSR and China should've been friends, but we all know how that turned out.

Which countries do have worker co-ops in them? And states do ally themselves on ideology and geopolitical interests. And the soviet union and china were allies until Stalin died and Khrushchev took power.

[Freefall11111]

Which countries do have worker co-ops in them?

Most of the West have co-ops in them. Pretty large ones, too. In fact, the 99 of the 100 largest co-ops are all Western.

And states do ally themselves on ideology and geopolitical interests.

Not ideology. Just geopolitical interests. There have been many, many alliances in recent and ancient history between countries that have zero ideological links.

And the soviet union and china were allies until Stalin died and Khrushchev took power.

They were barely allies, and then they weren't allies at all for 40 years despite supposedly being ideologically similar, which is my point.

[Rio Cana]

No one has mentioned that the Syrian military with Russian help has set up four corridors for the civilians of Eastern Aleppo (the Syrian government controls the Western part of the city) to evacuate Eastern Aleppo. Suppposedly, they were giving amnesty to all fighters who lay down there weapons and leave via the corridors. Also, they were saying those civilians leaving were at times being fired upon by the rebel groups. If by some chance all the civilians got out then the rebels know that the Syrians and Russians will go all out on them. They will no longer have at least 250.000 people to hide behind.

Read this story - http://en.alalam.ir/news/1846240

[Kubra]

Well the Syrian communist party support him, and not all Marxists back Assad, some "communists" back the rebels even that the rebels are terrorists supported by the imperialist USA.

The Syrian Communist party is a corrupt show party. That exists only to give the regime cover. I guess some people fall for it.

And it makes sense Communists would support the people rebelling against Assad's hereditary fiefdom. Syria has crushing poverty and wealth inequality. Assad and his family and cronies are incredibly rich while most people are very poor.

Sort of not really
Communists are a minority in Syria, and Assad's rule has been a rule beneficial for minorities against an overwhelming Sunni majority. When you know you're unpopular, you stick with the other unpopular kids.

[Shofercia]

They don't have to be friends. They just have to respect the treaty that they agreed to, under Russia's wise meditation. Thus far, they're upholding it.




Got a source for Assad bombing the Kurds in the past couple of months?




And are fighting the same enemies as Assad.




Not really. Most of the Kurdish factions, and the Russian Government, have similar objectives. There's one crazy faction in Turkey, which does not represent most of the Kurds, and which isn't a part of the PKK, despite Erdogan's claims to the contrary. Sane Kurds, which is at least 90% of Kurds, working with Russians, is nothing new. And since Assad has no other choice, that's not news either.

Russia's "wise mediation" has not produced any working plan to solve Syria's long term problems. Sure the Kurds and Assad are no longer fighting much, largely because Assad has few forces or control in or near most Kurdish areas. After the Kurds drove the regime out of most Kurdish areas, they no longer needed to fight Assad much. And Assad has little ability to fight the Kurds at this point.

Unless Assad is willing to agree to de facto indepedence for the Kurd's, there is still a conflict.

The Russians and Kurds do not have the same long term objectives. The Kurds have no interest in supporting the Assad regime for geopolitical purpose and base access. A common enemey does not mean you have all of the same objectives.

Oh noes, the Russians and the Kurds don't have the exact same objectives? That poor strawawoman, you really annihilated her! Kurds want to create an independent Kurdistan. Having a de facto independent Kurdistan, that's de jure a part of Syria, certainly helps. That's also what the Russians want. Hmm, those objectives seem to align... As for Assad, he'll shut up about the Kurds, and work on reconstruction after ISIS is destroyed. Even he should realize that without Russia's aid, he won't be able to take on the Kurds, and the Russians have no reason to fuck with the Kurds.

Not even remotely, at least not in regards to the US military. After all, even accounting for purchasing-power disparities, the US still spends more on its military than the next seven countries put together. The notion that anyone, anywhere can take the US armed forces in a straight-up battle remains at least as absurd as it was eight years ago.

Umm we have given up on the two war doctrine. If we are attacked by two adversaries at once we cannot adequately respond.

So if America is attacked by Grenada and Panama, the response will be inadequate?

[Alsheb]

Well the Syrian communist party support him, and not all Marxists back Assad, some "communists" back the rebels even that the rebels are terrorists supported by the imperialist USA.

The Syrian Communist party is a corrupt show party. That exists only to give the regime cover. I guess some people fall for it.

And it makes sense Communists would support the people rebelling against Assad's hereditary fiefdom. Syria has crushing poverty and wealth inequality. Assad and his family and cronies are incredibly rich while most people are very poor.

And which rebel group is going to improve that? Even the most "moderate" rebels have an agenda of including Syria entirely in the fold of the globalised, US-dominated economy. Which would be destructive for all except for the new rich that would develop.

Also, please stop making a fool of yourself by bring up feudalism. Is there a caste of hereditary nobility ranks that inherit lands? No. Does Syria practice serfdom? No. Feudalism is a political and economical system where land is the main economic product and inhabitants are tied to the soil and the lord that rules it. No matter what your opinion of Syria is, comparing it to medieval economy is just plain stupid.

Is Syria capitalist? Yes, and you'll see the Communist Party making several harsh critiques about the liberalisations that Bashar al-Assad has undertaken, moving away from the economical plan his father had. But then again, even Venezuela is still capitalist, and so are most countries in the world, even those progressive nations that are trying to move out of the fold of western domination.

The opinion of the Syrian communists is expressed pretty well in this interview: http://socialistunity.com/interview-wit ... -in-syria/

It would be ridiculous and plain stupid to side with imperialism, with the FSA and al-Nusra just because we oppose Assad's libera economic reforms. Everyone with even half a brain cell can already now see where a rebel victory would lead to. Are we so forgetful that we have already forgotten Libya? Or even Iraq, where there was actually an oppressive dictatorship in power, which since 2003 has been replaced with something even worse? Like seriously, are we that stupid?

[Alsheb]

no.

Then there's no reason to think they exist, and no reason to think Syria is socialist.

Nice of you to admit to it, at least.

Venezuela isn't Socialist. So does that mean I should support US-armed death squads if they were to pour in tomorrow and start decapitating people?

[Alsheb]

No one has mentioned that the Syrian military with Russian help has set up four corridors for the civilians of Eastern Aleppo (the Syrian government controls the Western part of the city) to evacuate Eastern Aleppo. Suppposedly, they were giving amnesty to all fighters who lay down there weapons and leave via the corridors. Also, they were saying those civilians leaving were at times being fired upon by the rebel groups. If by some chance all the civilians got out then the rebels know that the Syrians and Russians will go all out on them. They will no longer have at least 250.000 people to hide behind.

Read this story - http://en.alalam.ir/news/1846240

Ssht, you're not supposed to say anything that contradicts the narrative that Assad is literally Satan...

But yeah, our "democratic rebel" friends have immediately shut down most of those corridors and threatened to shoot any civilian who leaves Aleppo. I believe only a few dozen people have actually been able to get through, the rest was too frightened of receiving a "democratical" bullet in the brain for daring to try get to safety.

Strange, how Assad and the Russians go through all this trouble to get the civvies out. I thought he deliberatily wanted to "barrel bomb" his population out of sheer bloodlust. At least that's what western media and their self-declared "leftist" friends tell me.

[Geilinor]

No one has mentioned that the Syrian military with Russian help has set up four corridors for the civilians of Eastern Aleppo (the Syrian government controls the Western part of the city) to evacuate Eastern Aleppo. Suppposedly, they were giving amnesty to all fighters who lay down there weapons and leave via the corridors. Also, they were saying those civilians leaving were at times being fired upon by the rebel groups. If by some chance all the civilians got out then the rebels know that the Syrians and Russians will go all out on them. They will no longer have at least 250.000 people to hide behind.

Read this story - http://en.alalam.ir/news/1846240

Ssht, you're not supposed to say anything that contradicts the narrative that Assad is literally Satan...

But yeah, our "democratic rebel" friends have immediately shut down most of those corridors and threatened to shoot any civilian who leaves Aleppo. I believe only a few dozen people have actually been able to get through, the rest was too frightened of receiving a "democratical" bullet in the brain for daring to try get to safety.

Strange, how Assad and the Russians go through all this trouble to get the civvies out. I thought he deliberatily wanted to "barrel bomb" his population out of sheer bloodlust. At least that's what western media and their self-declared "leftist" friends tell me.

The corridors were rejected because the people who remained or couldn't leave would be in greater danger.

[Parhe]

The Syrian Communist party is a corrupt show party. That exists only to give the regime cover. I guess some people fall for it.

And it makes sense Communists would support the people rebelling against Assad's hereditary fiefdom. Syria has crushing poverty and wealth inequality. Assad and his family and cronies are incredibly rich while most people are very poor.

And which rebel group is going to improve that? Even the most "moderate" rebels have an agenda of including Syria entirely in the fold of the globalised, US-dominated economy. Which would be destructive for all except for the new rich that would develop.

That is, like, your opinion. People within the fold of the "globalised, US-dominated economy" seem to live much more improved lives than those outside of it.

[Saiwania]

Syria's civil war was apparently partially caused by a drought. I'm not sure how true that actually is.

But in any case, Syria should've invested in desalination plants regardless of how expensive it is. So far as the salt byproduct goes, it should not be dumped back into the ocean- it has to be stored for use or disposed of. There is this idea I really like if it can be made practical. Brine can perhaps be converted to magnesium oxide which can absorb carbon dioxide. Using solar power, it can help de-acidify the oceans.