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Postby Blainesville » Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:27 pm

So I don't know if we just aren't covering it in the US or what, but why is the Western world not more concerned about the situation in Aleppo? According to several sources there are at least a quarter of a million people trapped in the city and under siege. I really think this is a time when the UN needs to step up and do something. What do you think, people of NS? Why is there such a blind eye, and how can we fix it?

Sources:

http://us.blastingnews.com/news/2016/07 ... 15647.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36961184

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Postby Aelex » Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:44 pm

Bombing, more bombing and even fucking more bombing. That plus strategic deployement of troops on key area to help the kurds.
Ha, and starting to support Assad would actually be a good idea, the guy is the only hope for Syria.
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Postby Pope Joan » Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:47 pm

Aleppo used to be a Christian city, going back to Biblical times.

Then ISIS moved in, with arms from Israel and Saudi Arabia, and hung five bishops there.

Of course it is under siege, the good guys are trying to take it back.

But the BBC wants to paint this as a strictly humanitarian crisis.

Drive out ISIS! No more crisis.

Here is a shot of the airport, under ISIS control http://isis.liveuamap.com/en/2016/29-ju ... l--runaway
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:50 pm

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Postby Blainesville » Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:50 pm

Oh wow, I never heard about the bishops. That's awful

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Postby Minzerland » Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:56 pm

I remember a segment about Aleppo's situation on The Project, IIRC.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:04 pm

Aelex wrote:Bombing, more bombing and even fucking more bombing. That plus strategic deployement of troops on key area to help the kurds.
Ha, and starting to support Assad would actually be a good idea, the guy is the only hope for Syria.


*bombs Assad*

Terrorists win!

*bombs terrorists*

Terrorists win!
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Postby Aelex » Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:10 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:*bombs Assad*

Terrorists win!

*bombs terrorists*

Terrorists win!

If only
" *terrorists suicide-bomb*

Terrorists win!"
didn't exist then this could almost be a thing.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:14 pm

Good, let Aleppo fall back under Assad's control with Russia's help. The rebels at this point are nothing but Jihadists or bandits. The US needs to stay well out of Syria, given that its airspace is protected by the S-400.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:16 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Aelex wrote:Bombing, more bombing and even fucking more bombing. That plus strategic deployement of troops on key area to help the kurds.
Ha, and starting to support Assad would actually be a good idea, the guy is the only hope for Syria.


*bombs Assad*

Terrorists win!

*bombs terrorists*

Terrorists win!


*Nuke terrorists*

Counter-terrorists win!
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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:17 pm

Aelex wrote:Bombing, more bombing and even fucking more bombing. That plus strategic deployement of troops on key area to help the kurds.
Ha, and starting to support Assad would actually be a good idea, the guy is the only hope for Syria.

Assad and the Kurds aren't exactly best mates.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:23 pm

Pope Joan wrote:Aleppo used to be a Christian city, going back to Biblical times.

Then ISIS moved in, with arms from Israel and Saudi Arabia, and hung five bishops there.

Of course it is under siege, the good guys are trying to take it back.

But the BBC wants to paint this as a strictly humanitarian crisis.

Drive out ISIS! No more crisis.

Here is a shot of the airport, under ISIS control http://isis.liveuamap.com/en/2016/29-ju ... l--runaway

Aleppo hasn't been majority Christian in ages.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:24 am

Pope Joan wrote:Aleppo used to be a Christian city, going back to Biblical times.

Then ISIS moved in, with arms from Israel and Saudi Arabia, and hung five bishops there.

Of course it is under siege, the good guys are trying to take it back.

But the BBC wants to paint this as a strictly humanitarian crisis.

Drive out ISIS! No more crisis.

Here is a shot of the airport, under ISIS control http://isis.liveuamap.com/en/2016/29-ju ... l--runaway


Umm the crisis in Syria started before ISIS got involved, is much more complex than ISIS vs the government and ISIS has little presence in Aleppo. Also last time Aleppo was a Christian City was centuries ago. Aleppo was Islamified long before ISIS ever existed.

Also there are no "good guys" in Syria. You can claim Assad is the least bad bad guy, but not that he is a good guy.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:32 am

Aelex wrote:Bombing, more bombing and even fucking more bombing. That plus strategic deployement of troops on key area to help the kurds.
Ha, and starting to support Assad would actually be a good idea, the guy is the only hope for Syria.


Assad's corruption, mismanagement, cronyism and tribalism caused the civil war in the first place. He is not on the same side as the Kurds either. The Kurds have fought government forces.

And there is no hope for Syria in its current form. It was screwed up from the beginning as it was not formed with the consent of the people nor in accordance with historical or demographic conditions. It is arbitrary lines the French and British made up and violently forced on the people in violation of the promises made to them.
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Postby Elepis » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:36 am

Pope Joan wrote:Aleppo used to be a Christian city, going back to Biblical times.

Then ISIS moved in, with arms from Israel and Saudi Arabia, and hung five bishops there.

Of course it is under siege, the good guys are trying to take it back.

But the BBC wants to paint this as a strictly humanitarian crisis.

Drive out ISIS! No more crisis.

Here is a shot of the airport, under ISIS control http://isis.liveuamap.com/en/2016/29-ju ... l--runaway


What is you point about it being a christian city? Before the siege it was predominantly Muslim, not christian. And if you are saying it was historically Christian, you can also say it was historically Greek or Persian. What is your point?
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Postby DBJ » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:38 am

the result of obama's middle east policy.
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Postby Kubra » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:41 am

DBJ wrote:the result of obama's middle east policy.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:53 am

Kubra wrote:
DBJ wrote:the result of obama's middle east policy.
Did obama sign sykes-picot


Obama was the one who lost Constantinople to the Turks.
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Postby Elepis » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:54 am

Costa Fierro wrote:
Kubra wrote: Did obama sign sykes-picot


Obama was the one who lost Constantinople to the Turks.


Obama lead the Caliphate's armies that defeated Byzantium at Yarmouk
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Postby Freefall11111 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:46 am

Pope Joan wrote:Then ISIS moved in, with arms from Israel

Ah, yes, it was the Jews. Of course it was.

Thanks for showing your anti-Semitism.

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Postby Bulgar Rouge » Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:51 am

It would be best if the Syrian army takes it as quickly as possible. They've engaged a good deal of their available troops in Aleppo (slightly less than half of the entire army) and if they win the battle in the next two or three months, those troops can be used to take over the rest of the country.

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Postby Risottia » Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:09 am

Blainesville wrote:why is the Western world not more concerned about the situation in Aleppo?

Because not risking helping the Assad/Russia/Iran side, not risking helping the IS/Saudi/AlQaida/Erdogan side too much is way more important, strategically.

I really think this is a time when the UN needs to step up and do something.

The UN should, according to its charter. An interposition force would be needed to grant the security of humanitarian relief. But Russia doesn't want a UN interposition force because it could highlight the crimes committed by the Assad side. The US don't want a UN interposition force because it could highlight the crimes committed by the IS side (oh, sorry, Free Syrian Army or whatever is the current coverup name). China is perfectly fine with a war causing destabilisation at the borders of Europe - and increasing the Norinco profits worldwide. France and Britain can tolerate a war in Syria because it means the most hotheaded extremists holding their passports will go cause mess in Syria instead of blowing themselves up in a Bakerloo train or driving a 40-ton on the Champs-Elysees pavements. Italy is much more worried with Libya - if the fighting in Syria is ground to a halt, the Libyan mess will fire up again with even more strength. Germany doesn't want to mess with the Russians, because that would mean helping the anti-EU hawks of Eastern Europe. India doesn't give a real fuck as long as lots of Muslims snuff it, possibly far from their borders. Canada and Australia don't have an actual interest in the area, and don't even have an actual independent foreign policy anyway. Saudi Arabia and Turkey are only happy of the Syrian mess because they could create a Sunni North-South corridor across Syria. Iran on the other side has its own interests, because there's a potential Shiite East-West corridor across Syria and Iraq. Japan, South Korea, Egypt, South Africa, Mexico, Argentina and Brazil have their own problems which are either overwhelmingly internal, or have nothing to do with the Syrian fuckup.
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Postby Risottia » Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:10 am

Elepis wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
Obama was the one who lost Constantinople to the Turks.


Obama lead the Caliphate's armies that defeated Byzantium at Yarmouk


Obama tried to drill holes into the hulls of the Venetian fleet at Lepanto.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:11 am

Blainesville wrote:So I don't know if we just aren't covering it in the US or what, but why is the Western world not more concerned about the situation in Aleppo? According to several sources there are at least a quarter of a million people trapped in the city and under siege. I really think this is a time when the UN needs to step up and do something. What do you think, people of NS? Why is there such a blind eye, and how can we fix it?

Sources:

http://us.blastingnews.com/news/2016/07 ... 15647.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36961184


Because that's so two-thousand and lame. We don't care anymore. The news cycle is weekly.

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