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Pope Francis: Wrong to equate Islam with violence

Postby Vassenor » Mon Aug 01, 2016 9:54 am

Pope Francis says it is wrong to equate Islam with violence: 'It's not right and it's not true'

Pope Francis has said it is not fair to label Islam as a “terrorist” religion.
During his return trip from a five-day pilgrimage in Poland onboard his private plane, reporters asked the pontiff why he never used the word Islam to describe terrorist violence.
It was the day after Isis extremists were said to have slit the throat of an elderly Roman Catholic priest in his Normandy church.
Pope Francis said: “It's not right to identify Islam with violence. It's not right and it's not true.
"I believe that in every religion there is always a little fundamentalist group.
"I don't like to talk of Islamic violence because every day, when I go through the [Italian] newspapers, I see violence, this man who kills his girlfriend, another who kills his mother-in-law.
"And these are baptized Catholics. If I speak of Islamic violence, then I have to speak of Catholic violence."


Personally, I agree. The more we perpetuate these pointless stereotypes the stronger we make groups like Daesh.

But what does everyone else think?

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Aug 01, 2016 9:58 am

He is a traitor to the crusades and a false pope.
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Postby Agregate » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:04 am

I agree. Islam was never a religion that was based around terrorism or anything similar. The fact that this group of disgruntled extremists say they subscribe to this religion and fight for this religion is wholly untrue. It is our duty to realize this and actually believe it, because nearly a billion people across the planet that would follow a war mongering religion doesn't really make that much sense to me.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:09 am

Agregate wrote:I agree. Islam was never a religion that was based around terrorism or anything similar. The fact that this group of disgruntled extremists say they subscribe to this religion and fight for this religion is wholly untrue. It is our duty to realize this and actually believe it, because nearly a billion people across the planet that would follow a war mongering religion doesn't really make that much sense to me.

And if they did we'd all be dead. Because we are alive is proof that they aren't all homicidal.
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Postby Ordei » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:10 am

Agregate wrote:I agree. Islam was never a religion that was based around terrorism or anything similar. The fact that this group of disgruntled extremists say they subscribe to this religion and fight for this religion is wholly untrue. It is our duty to realize this and actually believe it, because nearly a billion people across the planet that would follow a war mongering religion doesn't really make that much sense to me.


If there were that many pissed off (see: extremist) Muslims, I'm sure we would have noticed it by now. Still, modern Islam is a relatively peaceful religion, but the Quran speaks of brutality, allows for rape and slavery, and genocide of outsiders, speaks of the Muslims beinv a higher caste, and Saudu Arabia is a prime example for a powerful nation follosing many, but not all of these things, with its human rights being shit specifically because they follow Islamic law.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:13 am

Ordei wrote:
Agregate wrote:I agree. Islam was never a religion that was based around terrorism or anything similar. The fact that this group of disgruntled extremists say they subscribe to this religion and fight for this religion is wholly untrue. It is our duty to realize this and actually believe it, because nearly a billion people across the planet that would follow a war mongering religion doesn't really make that much sense to me.


If there were that many pissed off (see: extremist) Muslims, I'm sure we would have noticed it by now. Still, modern Islam is a relatively peaceful religion, but the Quran speaks of brutality, allows for rape and slavery, and genocide of outsiders, speaks of the Muslims beinv a higher caste, and Saudu Arabia is a prime example for a powerful nation follosing many, but not all of these things, with its human rights being shit specifically because they follow Islamic law.

Have you read the bible? That thing says to stone your kid to death if they talk back to you.
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Postby Risottia » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:16 am

Vassenor wrote:Personally, I agree. The more we perpetuate these pointless stereotypes the stronger we make groups like Daesh.
But what does everyone else think?

I guess I should send the Pope a steel helmet. He's so going to get an awful amount of flak for stating such obvious truths.

Ifreann wrote:He is a traitor to the crusades and a false pope.

I also heard he regularily walks through Trastevere's inns and pisses in the beer barrels.
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Postby Alvecia » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:31 am

Not that I'm not on board with what he's saying but this
"I don't like to talk of Islamic violence because every day, when I go through the [Italian] newspapers, I see violence, this man who kills his girlfriend, another who kills his mother-in-law.
"And these are baptized Catholics. If I speak of Islamic violence, then I have to speak of Catholic violence."

sounds like a false equivalence unless said men did it in the name of Catholicism.

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Postby Val Halla » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:35 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ordei wrote:
If there were that many pissed off (see: extremist) Muslims, I'm sure we would have noticed it by now. Still, modern Islam is a relatively peaceful religion, but the Quran speaks of brutality, allows for rape and slavery, and genocide of outsiders, speaks of the Muslims beinv a higher caste, and Saudu Arabia is a prime example for a powerful nation follosing many, but not all of these things, with its human rights being shit specifically because they follow Islamic law.

Have you read the bible? That thing says to stone your kid to death if they talk back to you.

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Postby Nariterrr » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:37 am

Even as an agnostic deist ex-Catholic I still like the Pope.
Honestly who knows what about anything anymore.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:39 am

Val Halla wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Have you read the bible? That thing says to stone your kid to death if they talk back to you.

Down with shrimp eaters and women with periods.

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Postby South-East Antarctica » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:41 am

Pope Francis violates the original doctrine of Catholicism and if he would live in Medieval he would be a target of Inquisitors.
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Postby Nariterrr » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:41 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Val Halla wrote:Down with shrimp eaters and women with periods.

Don't forget those multi fabric wearing heathens

And the people who disobey priests.
Honestly who knows what about anything anymore.

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Postby Holy Providence » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:41 am

You know, I always knew I liked the Pope.

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:41 am

South-East Antarctica wrote:Pope Francis is a heretic that violates the original doctrine of Catholicism.


How so?
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Postby Nariterrr » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:41 am

South-East Antarctica wrote:Pope Francis is a heretic that violates the original doctrine of Catholicism.

No, he's a heretic because his message isn't convenient for you.
Honestly who knows what about anything anymore.

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Postby Risottia » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:42 am

South-East Antarctica wrote:Pope Francis is a heretic that violates the original doctrine of Catholicism.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:42 am

I really like this pope.

Hes doing the lord's work and spreading peace on earth.


South-East Antarctica wrote:Pope Francis is a heretic that violates the original doctrine of Catholicism.


Thats a no true scotsman fallacy.

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Postby Nariterrr » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:43 am

Risottia wrote:
South-East Antarctica wrote:Pope Francis is a heretic that violates the original doctrine of Catholicism.

Crucifige! Crucifige! All hail Zombie Pope Julius II !

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Postby South-East Antarctica » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:44 am

Nariterrr wrote:
South-East Antarctica wrote:Pope Francis is a heretic that violates the original doctrine of Catholicism.

No, he's a heretic because his message isn't convenient for you.

Heretic is a bit too strong word, and I corrected this. He promotes equality of religions, races, etc. while the former catholic church, that existed before the late Cold War, promoted the opposite. Before the humanism was born, he would be burned for heresy most likely.

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Postby Alvecia » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:44 am

Nariterrr wrote:Even as an agnostic deist ex-Catholic I still like the Pope.

I don't.
He's still iffy on condoms, not too keen on transgenders and, is a big advocate for exorcism.

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:I really like this pope.

Hes doing the lord's work and spreading peace on earth.


South-East Antarctica wrote:Pope Francis is a heretic that violates the original doctrine of Catholicism.


Thats a no true scotsman fallacy.

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Postby Risottia » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:45 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Val Halla wrote:Down with shrimp eaters and women with periods.

Don't forget those multi fabric wearing heathens

Or those who shave the corners of their heads, or mar the corners of their beards.
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Postby Kraslavia » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:46 am

South-East Antarctica wrote:Pope Francis violates the original doctrine of Catholicism and if he would live in Medieval he would be a target of Inquisitors.


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Postby Holy Providence » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:46 am

South-East Antarctica wrote:Heretic is a bit too strong word, and I corrected this. He promotes equality of religions, races, etc. while the former catholic church, that existed before the late Cold War, promoted the opposite. Before the humanism was born, he would be burned for heresy most likely.

And it would be better if he didn't support equality of race and religion?

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