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Anarcho-Primitivism: Is the future stuck in the stones?

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Do you agree with Anarcho-primitivism/green anarchism?

Yes, I do!
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6%
No, I have a different ideology.
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78%
Neutral or unsure of a stance.
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3%
I am a server rack, actually!
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9%
I have not heard of this before.
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Total votes : 158

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Anarcho-Primitivism: Is the future stuck in the stones?

Postby Anarcho-Saxony » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:37 am

So, what is anarchist primitivism? Let me introduce you!

Anarcho-primitivism is an anarchist critique of the origins and progress of civilization. Primitivists argue that the shift from hunter-gatherer to agricultural subsistence gave rise to social stratification, coercion, and alienation. They advocate a return to "non-civilized" ways of life through deindustrialisation, abolition of division of labour or specialization, and abandonment of technology for the sake of being a sustainable future.

There are, however, numerous other non-anarchist forms of primitivism, and not all primitivists point to the same phenomenon as the source of modern, civilized problems and some "ideologues" like Theodore Kaczynski, see the Industrial Revolution as the essential problem, while others point to various developments in history such as monotheism, writing, the use of metal tools.

I think this ideology addresses ecological concerns in the best way for it, this is a good sign for me and not for anti-environment people.

Primitivists tend to see division of labor and specialization as fundamental and irreconcilable problems, decisive to social relationship within civilization. They see this disconnecting of the ability to care for ourselves and provide for our own needs as a technique of separation and dis-empowerment perpetuated by civilization. Specialization is seen as leading to inevitable inequalities of influence and undermining egalitarian relationships.

Primitivists reject modern science as a method of understanding the world. Science is not considered to be neutral by primitivists. It is seen as loaded with the motives and assumptions that come out of, and reinforce, civilization.

Modern science is believed by primitivists as attempting to see the world as a collection of separate objects to be observed and understood. In order to accomplish this task, primitivists believe the scientists must distance themselves emotionally and physically, to have a one-way channel of information moving from the observed thing to the self, which is defined as not a part of that thing.

Anarcho-primitivists view civilization as the logic, institution, and physical apparatus of domestication, control, and domination. They focus primarily on the question of origins. Civilization is seen as the underlying problem or root of oppression, and must therefore be dismantled or destroyed.

A larger more comprehensive description of this is the rise of civilization as the shift over the past 10,000 years from an existence deeply connected to the web of life, to one psychologically separated from and attempting to control the rest of life. They state that prior to civilization, there generally existed ample leisure time, considerable gender equality and social equality, a non-destructive and uncontrolling approach to the natural world, the absence of organized violence, no mediating or formal institutions, and strong health and robustness. Anarcho-primitivists state that civilization inaugurated mass warfare, the subjugation of women, population growth, busy work, concepts of property, entrenched hierarchies, as well as encouraging the spread of diseases. They claim that civilization begins with and relies on an enforced renunciation of instinctual freedom and that it is impossible to reform away such a renunciation.

There are some criticisms also, such as that the earth has a population of almost 7 billion people. If everyone lived as a hunter-gather, according to critics, the earth would be able to support far fewer people. Primitivists assert that the earth has long been overpopulated and that there is no possible way to support everyone that is alive today. A population crash is inevitable, they say, as can be observed by looking at any other animal population which consumes all of its resources and destroys its living environment. Critics are curious as to the fate of the other billions that would be left without food if such a way of life were adopted suddenly and simultaneously across the globe. These critics tend to view primitivism as a kind of millennialism, and the collapse of civilization as avoidable through Technological Progress. Additionally, the dominance struggles and brutal flare-ups observed in chimpanzees, our closest relatives, do not support the notion that hierarchialism and violence are strictly the outcomes of civilization, though evidence of such behavior among humans or our equally close relatives the bonobos, is lacking prior to 12,000 years ago. Some references in anarcho-primitivism, such as the author Pierre Clastres, offer an anthropological explanation of the necessity of these struggles, while embracing anarchy as the natural balance for primitive societies.

I personally support this great ideology and recommend that other people will accept it too, but what is important is the free cycle of debate to measure ideas with, as civilisation has been largely defined with censorship, restrictions on freedom and oppression holding people back, which strongly discourages from me forcing the opinions, and leaving the decision up to you. :)

So, what do you say now? Leave your comments below and maybe your own innovations also!
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:39 am

I do indeed like green anarchism, but anarcho-primitivism is a bit ridiculous. Not as bad as """""""""""Anarcho""""""""""-capitalism, but still bad.
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Postby Franco-Iberie » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:40 am

Well, if we go back to the stone age that means no NS, so I'm gonna have to say no to Anarcho-Primitivism.

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Postby Anarcho-Saxony » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:41 am

Franco-Iberie wrote:Well, if we go back to the stone age that means no NS, so I'm gonna have to say no to Anarcho-Primitivism.

The title is light hearted humour, it would be more like the Amish except a lot more secularistic, so your computer could be renewably powered.
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Postby Anarcho-Saxony » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:41 am

Pantuxia wrote:I do indeed like green anarchism, but anarcho-primitivism is a bit ridiculous. Not as bad as """""""""""Anarcho""""""""""-capitalism, but still bad.

You are a spook.
:rofl:

You get the reference?
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:43 am

Where's the poll option for "fuck no, it would be impossible to sustain anything like the modern population without industrial technology, so any advocate of anarchs-primitivism is de facto advocating genocide"?
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Postby Anarcho-Saxony » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:44 am

The Romulan Republic wrote:Where's the poll option for "fuck no, it would be impossible to sustain anything like the modern population without industrial technology, so any advocate of anarchs-primitivism is de facto advocating genocide"?

Would you be happy with the less brash "no" option I already offer?
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Postby Taviana SSR » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:45 am

Every form of Anarchism is reactionary at its core.
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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:45 am

Merizoc is going to love this.

Taviana SSR wrote:Every form of Anarchism is reactionary at its core.

At least a communist state can function, even if to me it is still pretty shoddy.
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Postby Anarcho-Saxony » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:46 am

Taviana SSR wrote:Every form of Anarchism is reactionary at its core.

I'm sure queers and feminists anarchist scene is 100% reactionary.
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:47 am

Anarcho-Saxony wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:I do indeed like green anarchism, but anarcho-primitivism is a bit ridiculous. Not as bad as """""""""""Anarcho""""""""""-capitalism, but still bad.

You are a spook.
:rofl:

You get the reference?

Yes. :D
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Postby Anarcho-Saxony » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:47 am

Wolfmanne2 wrote:Merizoc is going to love this.

I have actually been on this site for a long time on many accounts, I have TGed him before and he seems like a cool guy.
Not sure about sea shepards though, i haven't research much about them.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:49 am

It couldn't be implemented without massive depopulation, and would also create a social system that would cause the deaths of people with disabilities. It's even edgier than Nazism.
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Postby Taviana SSR » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:50 am

At the core, Anarchism is the intellectual convenience in allowing "lefitsts" to believe what liberal McCarthyists do whilst being anti-capitalist. ML turned a vast swathe of the globe into secular republics within a few decades and doubled the life expectancy in some of the most miserable places on earth in a few decades. Anarchism has made a few shitty little hippie squats, a flash in the pan in Spain and literally organised a kulak rebellion in Ukraine.
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Postby Anarcho-Saxony » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:51 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:It couldn't be implemented without massive depopulation, and would also create a social system that would cause the deaths of people with disabilities. It's even edgier than Nazism.

It's more like the amish, so highly unlikely with the points you have exclaimed.
Technology is allowed to be renewably powered, so people with disabilities will have their technology allowed as it's not for decadent exploitation, but for the opposite to assist them in their daily lives.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:53 am

Anarcho-Saxony wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:It couldn't be implemented without massive depopulation, and would also create a social system that would cause the deaths of people with disabilities. It's even edgier than Nazism.

It's more like the amish, so highly unlikely with the points you have exclaimed.
Technology is allowed to be renewably powered, so people with disabilities will have their technology allowed as it's not for decadent exploitation, but for the opposite to assist them in their daily lives.

You can't have modern technology without a social system capable of supporting it.
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Postby The balkens » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:53 am

Anarcho-Saxony wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:It couldn't be implemented without massive depopulation, and would also create a social system that would cause the deaths of people with disabilities. It's even edgier than Nazism.

It's more like the amish, so highly unlikely with the points you have exclaimed.
Technology is allowed to be renewably powered, so people with disabilities will have their technology allowed as it's not for decadent exploitation, but for the opposite to assist them in their daily lives.


i like my AC and my powered home, thank you.

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Postby Anarcho-Saxony » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:55 am

The balkens wrote:
Anarcho-Saxony wrote:It's more like the amish, so highly unlikely with the points you have exclaimed.
Technology is allowed to be renewably powered, so people with disabilities will have their technology allowed as it's not for decadent exploitation, but for the opposite to assist them in their daily lives.


i like my AC and my powered home, thank you.

You could easily continue it's power through the renewable wind turbine and other energy stuff, and living in my flag's iconic icelandic turf home with solar technology.
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Postby The balkens » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:56 am

Anarcho-Saxony wrote:
The balkens wrote:
i like my AC and my powered home, thank you.

You could easily continue it's power through the renewable wind turbine and other energy stuff, and living in my flag's iconic icelandic turf home with solar technology.


Can i build a nuclear power plant in my back yard?

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:57 am

Hell no. Anarcho-primitivism is a ridiculous and backwards ideology. Progress 4eva.
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:58 am

Anarcho-Saxony wrote:
The balkens wrote:
i like my AC and my powered home, thank you.

You could easily continue it's power through the renewable wind turbine and other energy stuff, and living in my flag's iconic icelandic turf home with solar technology.

I think your confusing green anarchism with anarcho-primitivism.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:58 am

The balkens wrote:Can i build a nuclear power plant in my back yard?

Yes, but it has to 100% natural. If it's not a literal miniature sun, you better get that shit outta here.
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Postby The balkens » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:59 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
The balkens wrote:Can i build a nuclear power plant in my back yard?

Yes, but it has to 100% natural. If it's not a literal miniature sun, you better get that shit outta here.


Nah, i will also enrich it to weapon grade levels.

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Postby Anarcho-Saxony » Sun Jul 31, 2016 9:02 am

The balkens wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Yes, but it has to 100% natural. If it's not a literal miniature sun, you better get that shit outta here.


Nah, i will also enrich it to weapon grade levels.

If you drop it into a cyberpunk giant mega city, it's good, but if you dont this is not accepted by the communities and you will subsequently be exiled or imprisoned.
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Postby The balkens » Sun Jul 31, 2016 9:03 am

Anarcho-Saxony wrote:
The balkens wrote:
Nah, i will also enrich it to weapon grade levels.

If you drop it into a cyberpunk giant mega city, it's good, but if you dont this is not accepted by the communities and you will subsequently be exiled or imprisoned.


How else will i wage war on the amish?

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