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Which team will you be rooting for?

Poll ended at Wed Aug 10, 2016 12:52 pm

USA
65
35%
China
6
3%
United Kingdom
18
10%
Russia
7
4%
Germany
12
7%
France
5
3%
Australia
10
5%
Japan
4
2%
Brazil
4
2%
Other
53
29%
 
Total votes : 184

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Postby Gauthier » Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:26 pm

Commerce Heights wrote:The Court of Arbitration for Sport has overturned the IOC’s ban on Russian athletes who have previously been sanctioned for doping offences, on the grounds that it “does not respect the athletes’ right of natural justice.”

It’s clearly the right decision, but I find it quite concerning that the decision has only come the day before the opening ceremony.


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Postby Britonisea » Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:58 pm

Commerce Heights wrote:The Court of Arbitration for Sport has overturned the IOC’s ban on Russian athletes who have previously been sanctioned for doping offences, on the grounds that it “does not respect the athletes’ right of natural justice.”

It’s clearly the right decision, but I find it quite concerning that the decision has only come the day before the opening ceremony.


How is this the right decision?!? Don't they deserve punishment? If they break ORs and WRs - and are found positive, it will crush IAAF (especially) apart.
It doesn't matter anyway. It's quite a shambles. Russia will walk in to the ceremony, we will all dance and sing then it's over.
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Postby Commerce Heights » Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:37 pm

Britonisea wrote:
Commerce Heights wrote:The Court of Arbitration for Sport has overturned the IOC’s ban on Russian athletes who have previously been sanctioned for doping offences, on the grounds that it “does not respect the athletes’ right of natural justice.”

It’s clearly the right decision, but I find it quite concerning that the decision has only come the day before the opening ceremony.


How is this the right decision?!? Don't they deserve punishment? If they break ORs and WRs - and are found positive, it will crush IAAF (especially) apart.
It doesn't matter anyway. It's quite a shambles. Russia will walk in to the ceremony, we will all dance and sing then it's over.

The IAAF and IWF suspensions of Russia are not affected by this decision. In other sports, Russian competitors are still subject to individual review. The CAS decision only says that competitors who are not implicated in the McLaren report, but previously committed doping offences for which they have already served their bans, may now be allowed to compete at the Olympic Games if the international federation approves them.

For example, Ilnur Zakarin, a Russian cyclist who won a stage at this year’s Tour de France, and presumably passed several doping tests at that event (because cycling is really paranoid about doping these days), was excluded from the Olympic Games under the IOC ruling because he was found guilty of doping in 2009. He served a two-year ban which ended in 2011. There’s no new evidence against him, and no reason why he should be banned again. The CAS ruling would allow his case to be reconsidered. But since the ruling was made so late, I don’t think that could happen before the men’s road race on Saturday morning. (As far as I know, he didn’t file an appeal.)

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Postby Frenline Delpha » Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:43 pm

Commerce Heights wrote:
Britonisea wrote:
How is this the right decision?!? Don't they deserve punishment? If they break ORs and WRs - and are found positive, it will crush IAAF (especially) apart.
It doesn't matter anyway. It's quite a shambles. Russia will walk in to the ceremony, we will all dance and sing then it's over.

The IAAF and IWF suspensions of Russia are not affected by this decision. In other sports, Russian competitors are still subject to individual review. The CAS decision only says that competitors who are not implicated in the McLaren report, but previously committed doping offences for which they have already served their bans, may now be allowed to compete at the Olympic Games if the international federation approves them.

For example, Ilnur Zakarin, a Russian cyclist who won a stage at this year’s Tour de France, and presumably passed several doping tests at that event (because cycling is really paranoid about doping these days), was excluded from the Olympic Games under the IOC ruling because he was found guilty of doping in 2009. He served a two-year ban which ended in 2011. There’s no new evidence against him, and no reason why he should be banned again. The CAS ruling would allow his case to be reconsidered. But since the ruling was made so late, I don’t think that could happen before the men’s road race on Saturday morning. (As far as I know, he didn’t file an appeal.)

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Postby Mad hatters in jeans » Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:58 pm

I have to wonder if the athletes actually want to win gold medals. They'll probably be stolen from them anyways.

Silver and bronze might have a better chance of making it out of the country.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:40 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Commerce Heights wrote:The Court of Arbitration for Sport has overturned the IOC’s ban on Russian athletes who have previously been sanctioned for doping offences, on the grounds that it “does not respect the athletes’ right of natural justice.”

It’s clearly the right decision, but I find it quite concerning that the decision has only come the day before the opening ceremony.


Someone decided Russia shouldn't be spared the joys of pathogens and parasites.

Maybe that's Russia's punishment, then?
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Postby Shofercia » Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:48 pm

Britonisea wrote:
Commerce Heights wrote:The Court of Arbitration for Sport has overturned the IOC’s ban on Russian athletes who have previously been sanctioned for doping offences, on the grounds that it “does not respect the athletes’ right of natural justice.”

It’s clearly the right decision, but I find it quite concerning that the decision has only come the day before the opening ceremony.


How is this the right decision?!? Don't they deserve punishment? If they break ORs and WRs - and are found positive, it will crush IAAF (especially) apart.
It doesn't matter anyway. It's quite a shambles. Russia will walk in to the ceremony, we will all dance and sing then it's over.


Oh, it is far from over. WADA made their strike. Now it's Russia's turn.
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Postby Zeinbrad » Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:55 pm

I wonder the athletes are gonna sue the shit out of the Olympics after this is done with.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:01 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:I wonder the athletes are gonna sue the shit out of the Olympics after this is done with.

It should've been Chicago 2016. Or Madrid 2016. Or anywhere else besides Rio 2016.
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Postby Zeinbrad » Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:14 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Zeinbrad wrote:I wonder the athletes are gonna sue the shit out of the Olympics after this is done with.

It should've been Chicago 2016. Or Madrid 2016. Or anywhere else besides Rio 2016.

Mosul 2016?
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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:16 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:It should've been Chicago 2016. Or Madrid 2016. Or anywhere else besides Rio 2016.

Mosul 2016?

Or Moon 2016.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:22 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:I wonder the athletes are gonna sue the shit out of the Olympics after this is done with.


After they're done shitting the shit out of themselves.
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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:34 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Zeinbrad wrote:I wonder the athletes are gonna sue the shit out of the Olympics after this is done with.


After they're done shitting the shit out of themselves.

Does this thread have anything else to talk about?
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Postby Eol Sha » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:12 am

If there is any single good thing about the Olympics its that they'll be taking place in a decent time zone this year.
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Postby Britonisea » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:40 am

Eol Sha wrote:If there is any single good thing about the Olympics its that they'll be taking place in a decent time zone this year.


I prefer UTC±1 (obviously), to and including +8.

Commerce Heights wrote:
Britonisea wrote:
How is this the right decision?!? Don't they deserve punishment? If they break ORs and WRs - and are found positive, it will crush IAAF (especially) apart.
It doesn't matter anyway. It's quite a shambles. Russia will walk in to the ceremony, we will all dance and sing then it's over.

The IAAF and IWF suspensions of Russia are not affected by this decision. In other sports, Russian competitors are still subject to individual review. The CAS decision only says that competitors who are not implicated in the McLaren report, but previously committed doping offences for which they have already served their bans, may now be allowed to compete at the Olympic Games if the international federation approves them.

For example, Ilnur Zakarin, a Russian cyclist who won a stage at this year’s Tour de France, and presumably passed several doping tests at that event (because cycling is really paranoid about doping these days), was excluded from the Olympic Games under the IOC ruling because he was found guilty of doping in 2009. He served a two-year ban which ended in 2011. There’s no new evidence against him, and no reason why he should be banned again. The CAS ruling would allow his case to be reconsidered. But since the ruling was made so late, I don’t think that could happen before the men’s road race on Saturday morning. (As far as I know, he didn’t file an appeal.)


Oh okay.
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Postby Alvecia » Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:25 am

I saw someone make a good point recently, which was that overall people seem more worried about the athletes visiting Brazil than the people living there.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:25 am

Alvecia wrote:I saw someone make a good point recently, which was that overall people seem more worried about the athletes visiting Brazil than the people living there.


Eurocentrism or similar? A general "screw the poor people" mentality?
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Vassenor wrote:
Alvecia wrote:I saw someone make a good point recently, which was that overall people seem more worried about the athletes visiting Brazil than the people living there.


Eurocentrism or similar? A general "screw the poor people" mentality?

Didn't give context so hard to say. I think it's fair to assume that for a lot of people it's just something that hasn't occured to them. That was the case for me.
So focused on the olympics and the athletes that I actually didn't consider that people actually have to live there after the tournament is over, and they lived there before it began, when there was more poluution and the like.
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Postby Corrian » Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:04 am

Is there anything I can watch the Opening Ceremony on without TV? I wouldn't mind actually watching an opening ceremony again for a change.
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Postby Britonisea » Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:05 am

Corrian wrote:Is there anything I can watch the Opening Ceremony on without TV? I wouldn't mind actually watching an opening ceremony again for a change.


It depends what country you are in. I'm sure there would be online coverage somewhere.
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Postby Aboim » Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:34 am

Corrian wrote:Is there anything I can watch the Opening Ceremony on without TV? I wouldn't mind actually watching an opening ceremony again for a change.


The live stream of NBC, maybe: http://www.nbcolympics.com/news/watch-o ... -games-nbc

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Postby Outer Sparta » Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:41 am

Eol Sha wrote:If there is any single good thing about the Olympics its that they'll be taking place in a decent time zone this year.

Chicago would've been even more optimal. If the Olympics were staged in Madrid, I wouldn't mind the time difference for a better quality Games.
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Postby Corrian » Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:43 am

I'm not entirely sure Chicago is a great option right now considering all the gun violence.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:48 am

Corrian wrote:I'm not entirely sure Chicago is a great option right now considering all the gun violence.

Rio has Zika, pollution (air, water, you name it), a crime situation worse than Chicago, slums, corruption, and battered-down Olympic villages. But history is history. Let's focus on Rio and Rio only.
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Postby Aboim » Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:13 am

If my mother would be a man, I did have two fathers. Chicago and Madrid will have other opportunities, but not today. Twelve pages of your continous crying cannot change it :eyebrow:

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