by Conserative Morality » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:35 pm
by Olivaero » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:46 pm
by Conserative Morality » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:48 pm
Olivaero wrote:I think everyone has a bias against one side or the other whether they admit it or not i do agree though that embracing tribalism is dangerous. Even rationalised as being against the party establishment it always seems to overide actual consideration of thoes that belong to the other sides actual positions. Although i very much dislike conservative principles there are some people in the party i get along with.
by Alvecia » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:55 pm
by Olivaero » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:00 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Olivaero wrote:I think everyone has a bias against one side or the other whether they admit it or not i do agree though that embracing tribalism is dangerous. Even rationalised as being against the party establishment it always seems to overide actual consideration of thoes that belong to the other sides actual positions. Although i very much dislike conservative principles there are some people in the party i get along with.
It's not about bias in one side or another. It's not about hating people on the other side. It's about, when opposing something, do you naturally move to oppose them on more or all subjects, regardless of whether or not you supported those things previously.
by Conserative Morality » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:00 pm
Olivaero wrote:Well what are we talking about here? Specic policy ideas? Philosophical concepts? Ideologies? Political parties? All ofvthe above?
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by Olivaero » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:10 pm
by Jolet » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:12 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:I said something in another thread that got me thinking, do people who define themselves by what they oppose naturally gravitate towards opposition to the entirety of their, well, opposition? Does someone who defines themselves as anti-Democrat or anti-Republican find their views change to oppose the opposition in a tribalistic sense, regardless of their previously firmly held beliefs or principles? Do we endanger our own values and views by defining ourselves primarily by opposition, even if the opposition is abhorrent?
Essentially, is partisan politics more personal than political?
by The Foxes Swamp » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:17 pm
by The first Galactic Republic » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:35 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:I said something in another thread that got me thinking, do people who define themselves by what they oppose naturally gravitate towards opposition to the entirety of their, well, opposition? Does someone who defines themselves as anti-Democrat or anti-Republican find their views change to oppose the opposition in a tribalistic sense, regardless of their previously firmly held beliefs or principles? Do we endanger our own values and views by defining ourselves primarily by opposition, even if the opposition is abhorrent?
Essentially, is partisan politics more personal than political?
by Holocaust Never Happened » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:37 pm
by NERVUN » Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:12 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Olivaero wrote:I think everyone has a bias against one side or the other whether they admit it or not i do agree though that embracing tribalism is dangerous. Even rationalised as being against the party establishment it always seems to overide actual consideration of thoes that belong to the other sides actual positions. Although i very much dislike conservative principles there are some people in the party i get along with.
It's not about bias in one side or another. It's not about hating people on the other side. It's about, when opposing something, do you naturally move to oppose them on more or all subjects, regardless of whether or not you supported those things previously.
by Vedilia » Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:54 pm
The first Galactic Republic wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:I said something in another thread that got me thinking, do people who define themselves by what they oppose naturally gravitate towards opposition to the entirety of their, well, opposition? Does someone who defines themselves as anti-Democrat or anti-Republican find their views change to oppose the opposition in a tribalistic sense, regardless of their previously firmly held beliefs or principles? Do we endanger our own values and views by defining ourselves primarily by opposition, even if the opposition is abhorrent?
Essentially, is partisan politics more personal than political?
No different than defining beliefs based entirely on an ideology or a party.
Think for yourself is not that complicated a message.
by Vedilia » Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:56 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:I said something in another thread that got me thinking, do people who define themselves by what they oppose naturally gravitate towards opposition to the entirety of their, well, opposition? Does someone who defines themselves as anti-Democrat or anti-Republican find their views change to oppose the opposition in a tribalistic sense, regardless of their previously firmly held beliefs or principles? Do we endanger our own values and views by defining ourselves primarily by opposition, even if the opposition is abhorrent?
Essentially, is partisan politics more personal than political?
by Lady Scylla » Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:57 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:I said something in another thread that got me thinking, do people who define themselves by what they oppose naturally gravitate towards opposition to the entirety of their, well, opposition? Does someone who defines themselves as anti-Democrat or anti-Republican find their views change to oppose the opposition in a tribalistic sense, regardless of their previously firmly held beliefs or principles? Do we endanger our own values and views by defining ourselves primarily by opposition, even if the opposition is abhorrent?
Essentially, is partisan politics more personal than political?
by Bakery Hill » Wed Jul 27, 2016 7:07 pm
by Vedilia » Wed Jul 27, 2016 7:09 pm
Bakery Hill wrote:It can be. That's why a lot of the time I try to be just a socialist rather than an anti-capitalist.
by Bakery Hill » Wed Jul 27, 2016 7:13 pm
Vedilia wrote:Bakery Hill wrote:It can be. That's why a lot of the time I try to be just a socialist rather than an anti-capitalist.
I found the other way easier, that way I can more easily slide out of traps aimed at socialists. But then again I want to win all debates by any means necessary.
And yeah, it's dangerous, that's why they kept on headshotting me in multiplayer.
by The East Marches » Wed Jul 27, 2016 7:15 pm
by Bakery Hill » Wed Jul 27, 2016 7:20 pm
The East Marches wrote:I believe you are correct and it is very dangerous. Even in real life I've seen people become ardent defenders of ideas that they would cry bloody murder at had it come from the other side. Now that the other side opposes it, they love it. It does not bode well for the future if this trend should stick around.
by The East Marches » Wed Jul 27, 2016 7:21 pm
Bakery Hill wrote:The East Marches wrote:I believe you are correct and it is very dangerous. Even in real life I've seen people become ardent defenders of ideas that they would cry bloody murder at had it come from the other side. Now that the other side opposes it, they love it. It does not bode well for the future if this trend should stick around.
See Obama; drones etc.
by Parhe » Wed Jul 27, 2016 7:29 pm
by Ratateague » Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:13 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:I said something in another thread that got me thinking, do people who define themselves by what they oppose naturally gravitate towards opposition to the entirety of their, well, opposition? Does someone who defines themselves as anti-Democrat or anti-Republican find their views change to oppose the opposition in a tribalistic sense, regardless of their previously firmly held beliefs or principles? Do we endanger our own values and views by defining ourselves primarily by opposition, even if the opposition is abhorrent?
Essentially, is partisan politics more personal than political?
by Spiffier » Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:18 pm
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