Donald Trump invites Russia to hack Hillary Clinton

[Lady Scylla]

So you're saying there's some massive government conspiracy to install her as president?

What evidence do you have? Keeping in mind the plural of anecdote is not data.

Did you live under a rock the past couple of weeks?
Hello DNC email leak.
There are 19,000 of them.
Get reading.
They also released voice recordings of DNC discussions.

There are conspiracy theories that hold water, and then there are conspiracy theories so dry it makes Death Valley look like an oasis.

[Parti Ouvrier]

So you're saying there's some massive government conspiracy to install her as president?

What evidence do you have? Keeping in mind the plural of anecdote is not data.

Did you live under a rock the past couple of weeks?
Hello DNC email leak.
There are 19,000 of them.
Get reading.
They also released voice recordings of DNC discussions.

I thought the conspiracy was to get her as presidential candidate, not president.

[Kronstad]

Yes, we get it, you're voting for someone who endangers national security because she doesn't want to be held accountable. Fascinating.

/thread
Watch Clinton Cash, it's free on the net (Daily Motion had it at one point).
Buy the book Clinton Cash.
Read the DNC emails.
Google Giustra and Uranium One (Hillary sold off the US' uranium reserves to Russia while secretary of state).

[Vassenor]

So you're saying there's some massive government conspiracy to install her as president?

What evidence do you have? Keeping in mind the plural of anecdote is not data.

Did you live under a rock the past couple of weeks?
Hello DNC email leak.
There are 19,000 of them.
Get reading.
They also released voice recordings of DNC discussions.

I get the feeling you haven't read through them either.

FBI Suspects Russia Hacked DNC; U.S. Officials Say It Was to Elect Donald Trump

[Lady Scylla]

Yes, we get it, you're voting for someone who endangers national security because she doesn't want to be held accountable. Fascinating.

/thread
Watch Clinton Cash, it's free on the net (Daily Motion had it at one point).
Buy the book Clinton Cash.
Read the DNC emails.
Google Giustra and Uranium One (Hillary sold off the US' uranium reserves to Russia while secretary of state).

Puts on foil hat I didn't know this was back in fashion, I feel better already, so homeopathic.

[Roosevetania]

This is ridiculous that a presidential candidate would encourage an enemy to hack government emails, which would not only reveal classified information to other countries, but would be interfering in our democratic republic.

[Vassenor]

This is ridiculous that a presidential candidate would encourage an enemy to hack government emails, which would not only reveal classified information to other countries, but would be interfering in our democratic republic.

What're you talking about? Clearly it's OK or else people wouldn't be defending it so hard.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Or, and here me out here, she did nothing illegal and the evidence that we can't see and only the people who investigate these things proves that she didn't' commit a crime.

Also, you are making a pretty big Moralistic fallacy.


Again, Criminal Solicitation is a crime.

A person may not be convicted of criminal solicitation upon the uncorroborated testimony of the person allegedly solicited, and there must be proof of circumstances corroborating both the solicitation and the defendant's intent.

defendant's intent : He wants Hillary gone.

the solicitation : "If you have the emails release them, and you will be rewarded."

[Unified Governments]

You mean to tell me the president isn't personally invested in seeing her win? He endorsed her and is out campaigning with her. Bill Jefferson "BJ" Clinton met win Lynch on her jet, after which Lynch refused to recuse herself.

And yes, the FBI said it. The FBI reports to the Justice Department.

And once again, you're splitting hairs. Unless he was in contact with Russia then it is not a crime. Either prove he was or just admit you're wrong.

You're assuming that the FBI isn't neutral in investigation.

If I broadcast myself to the world saying " If Serj Tankian is listening want you to know I love your songs!" is that communication with him?

Even if he isn't watching tv at the time, the message would still get to him via re tweets, youtube, email, Facebook, ect.

In a way, the message is sent to everyone but meant for a certain person.

And yet the FBI reports to the DOJ, which has shown that it quite obviously isn't. Having a private meeting with the husband of someone the FBI is investigating shows a clear lack of integrity.

How would he know Russia is watching his speech? Even if they did find if on social media, he isn't communicating directly with them. Now, if he had said "Russia, contact me so we can get those emails released" then yeah maybe you'd have a point.

[Kronstad]

Did you live under a rock the past couple of weeks?
Hello DNC email leak.
There are 19,000 of them.
Get reading.
They also released voice recordings of DNC discussions.

I get the feeling you haven't read through them either.

FBI Suspects Russia Hacked DNC; U.S. Officials Say It Was to Elect Donald Trump

>the daily beast
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... ed-emails/
"Manafort was advisor to Yanukovich, outed for pro-Moscow..."
He was also advisor for Bush, Reagan, Ford, McCain etc.
Are you saying Dubya was a Russian double agent? McCain? Reagan?

[Vassenor]

I get the feeling you haven't read through them either.

FBI Suspects Russia Hacked DNC; U.S. Officials Say It Was to Elect Donald Trump

>the daily beast
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... ed-emails/
"Manafort was advisor to Yanukovich, outed for pro-Moscow..."
He was also advisor for Bush, Reagan, Ford, McCain etc.
Are you saying Dubya was a Russian double agent? McCain? Reagan?

I'm not seeing anything particularly illegal in that list. Stupid, bad taste maybe, but not illegal.

And I'm guessing that you therefore support the doxxing of several hundred Democrat donors. Which is illegal in the US, BTW.

[Kronstad]

This is ridiculous that a presidential candidate would encourage an enemy to hack government emails, which would not only reveal classified information to other countries, but would be interfering in our democratic republic.

What's more ridiculous is that a presidential candidate deletes 33,000 emails that she exchanged on her private, unprotected server, which contained national security information, which Russia got hold of simply because she didn't use the designated governmental security server, which gave rise to this whole issue in the first place.
And the most ridiculous thing of all: some people want to elect her as president.
What's next? Electing Assange/Snowden/Manning in 2020?

[Vassenor]

This is ridiculous that a presidential candidate would encourage an enemy to hack government emails, which would not only reveal classified information to other countries, but would be interfering in our democratic republic.

What's more ridiculous is that a presidential candidate deletes 33,000 emails that she exchanged on her private, unprotected server, which contained national security information, which Russia got hold of simply because she didn't use the designated governmental security server, which gave rise to this whole issue in the first place.
And the most ridiculous thing of all: some people want to elect her as president.
What's next? Electing Assange/Snowden/Manning in 2020?

W and co deleted almost two million emails under similar circumstances.

[Kronstad]

>the daily beast
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... ed-emails/
"Manafort was advisor to Yanukovich, outed for pro-Moscow..."
He was also advisor for Bush, Reagan, Ford, McCain etc.
Are you saying Dubya was a Russian double agent? McCain? Reagan?

I'm not seeing anything particularly illegal in that list. Stupid, bad taste maybe, but not illegal.

And I'm guessing that you therefore support the doxxing of several hundred Democrat donors. Which is illegal in the US, BTW.

Great strawman there.
If you don't see anything illegal read the other 18,990 emails.

[Vassenor]

I'm not seeing anything particularly illegal in that list. Stupid, bad taste maybe, but not illegal.

And I'm guessing that you therefore support the doxxing of several hundred Democrat donors. Which is illegal in the US, BTW.

Great strawman there.
If you don't see anything illegal read the other 18,990 emails.

Why don't you summarise it for the class?

[Kronstad]

W and co deleted almost two million emails under similar circumstances.

[citation needed]
Similar circumstances?
I don't remember hearing about 2 million emails being exchanged on the private, non-secure server of a Secretary of State or higher-up.
Also, your argument is
>X did 1 bad thing
>Y did 1000 bad things
>therefore X isn't guilty
Are you trolling or is this genuinely your mental process?

[Unified Governments]

Great strawman there.
If you don't see anything illegal read the other 18,990 emails.

Why don't you summarise it for the class?

Here ya go.

[Kronstad]

Why don't you summarise it for the class?

I'm not the one making a case for the DNC being corruption free.
Also I don't get paid for this so I'm not gonna spoonfeed an anomyous 12 year old on the internet (who ignores facts pointed out in previous replies).
I see, however, that doing a few quick searches on wikileaks DNC for whatever you deem "illegal" exceeds your computer skills.

[Roosevetania]

W and co deleted almost two million emails under similar circumstances.

[citation needed]
Similar circumstances?
I don't remember hearing about 2 million emails being exchanged on the private, non-secure server of a Secretary of State or higher-up.
Also, your argument is
>X did 1 bad thing
>Y did 1000 bad things
>therefore X isn't guilty
Are you trolling or is this genuinely your mental process?

Actually, Colin Powell used a private server, just like HRC.

[Vassenor]

Why don't you summarise it for the class?

I'm not the one making a case for the DNC being corruption free.
Also I don't get paid for this so I'm not gonna spoonfeed an anomyous 12 year old on the internet (who ignores facts pointed out in previous replies).
I see, however, that doing a few quick searches on wikileaks DNC for whatever you deem "illegal" exceeds your computer skills.

#notmyjobtoeducateyou

[Arcipelago]

A person may not be convicted of criminal solicitation upon the uncorroborated testimony of the person allegedly solicited, and there must be proof of circumstances corroborating both the solicitation and the defendant's intent.

defendant's intent : He wants Hillary gone.

the solicitation : "If you have the emails release them, and you will be rewarded."

Has Russia admitted it? Proof of circumstances? Obviously Trump saying outrageous things about his opponent is proof No?
The fact that your defending someone who deleted government emails against policy to hide something is laughable. I wonder what the FBI did with other batches of Clinton's emails, oh wait they released them to the public like they should be. If anything Trump would just be helping the FBI.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

You're assuming that the FBI isn't neutral in investigation.

If I broadcast myself to the world saying " If Serj Tankian is listening want you to know I love your songs!" is that communication with him?

Even if he isn't watching tv at the time, the message would still get to him via re tweets, youtube, email, Facebook, ect.

In a way, the message is sent to everyone but meant for a certain person.

And yet the FBI reports to the DOJ, which has shown that it quite obviously isn't. Having a private meeting with the husband of someone the FBI is investigating shows a clear lack of integrity.

How would he know Russia is watching his speech? Even if they did find if on social media, he isn't communicating directly with them. Now, if he had said "Russia, contact me so we can get those emails released" then yeah maybe you'd have a point.

That talk was about golf. Also, the DOJ did not know what the FBI was going to say. If the FBI said she was guilty, the DOJ would charge her. But the neutral FBI investigators said she was not guilty.

Because it's on every freaking news channel.

[Nacesa Plana]

Donald Trump invites Russia to hack Hillary Clinton.

This is not a hindsight. I knew it all the time that Hillary was a hackable robot.

[Unified Governments]

And yet the FBI reports to the DOJ, which has shown that it quite obviously isn't. Having a private meeting with the husband of someone the FBI is investigating shows a clear lack of integrity.

How would he know Russia is watching his speech? Even if they did find if on social media, he isn't communicating directly with them. Now, if he had said "Russia, contact me so we can get those emails released" then yeah maybe you'd have a point.

That talk was about golf. Also, the DOJ did not know what the FBI was going to say. If the FBI said she was guilty, the DOJ would charge her. But the neutral FBI investigators said she was not guilty.

Because it's on every freaking news channel.

Actually, Lynch said it was about their grandchildren. But no one really knows, because there were no microphones in there. Comey said she was not quilty. Comey, who reports to Lynch. Comey, who literally laid out the case for prosecuting Hillary Clinton yet refused to do it. Comey, who falsely claimed the statue requires intent when it fucking doesn't.

[Lady Scylla]

This is ridiculous that a presidential candidate would encourage an enemy to hack government emails, which would not only reveal classified information to other countries, but would be interfering in our democratic republic.

What's more ridiculous is that a presidential candidate deletes 33,000 emails that she exchanged on her private, unprotected server, which contained national security information, which Russia got hold of simply because she didn't use the designated governmental security server, which gave rise to this whole issue in the first place.
And the most ridiculous thing of all: some people want to elect her as president.
What's next? Electing Assange/Snowden/Manning in 2020?

[Citation needed]