Donald Trump invites Russia to hack Hillary Clinton

[Nacesa Plana]

Like I told you earlier:

He gave you some breadcrumbs with his left hand and took your bread away with his right hand.

He could have changed the education system. Like it was in the 50ties. Education for all. Almost for free. You didn't leave college or university with high debts around your neck in those time. And this while USA was more poor as present times.

He didn't. He just gave you some breadcrumbs. A bit windows dressing to give you a feel good feeling.

His wife will do the same. If elected.

Goalpost moving. The point was that most Presidents, even if it's only to get to a second term, tend to try to keep their promises if at all possible, as breaking them ("Read my lips: No new taxes") can be politically fatal. He didn't run on free education, so that's not relevant to the point.

While free education is a cornerstone. Just like a payable healthcare system is.

He, and just any president, should have fixed it.

They don’t. Oh yes, a little. Sometimes they give some breadcrumbs just to make sure you don’t revolt too much.

International terrorism is a pain in the *ss, but it is not your biggest problem. In fact most Americans will never be confronted with terrorism in their entire life. But they all do suffer from college and hospital bills sooner or later. Except the super riches don't.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

It actually is.


"A person is guilty of solicitation to commit a crime if, with the purpose of promoting or facilitating its commission, he commands, encourages or requests another person to engage in specific conduct which would constitute such crime or an attempt to commit such crime or which would establish his complicity in its commission or attempted commission."

Again, did he call Putin up and ask him to release the emails?

Saying that he wants Putin to release them doesn't prove he was in cahoots with him.

He called up Russia, who is lead by Putin.

Again I quote: "encourages or requests another person to engage in specific conduct which would constitute such crime or an attempt to commit such crime or which would establish his complicity in its commission or attempted commission"

Russia doesn't have them, Trump wants them to have them so that they can release it. Doing that would be requesting another person to engage in specific conduct which would constitute such crime or an attempt to commit such crime.

It actually is.


"A person is guilty of solicitation to commit a crime if, with the purpose of promoting or facilitating its commission, he commands, encourages or requests another person to engage in specific conduct which would constitute such crime or an attempt to commit such crime or which would establish his complicity in its commission or attempted commission."

And for the sake of fairness I judge that Trump did not intend any ill will, so prosecution is deemed unnecessary and inappropriate for this case.

Someone who gets the crowd to chant "Lock her up" and his peers to go "put her in front of a firing squad" does not intend any ill will?

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Trump asking them to constitutes a violation of the Logan Act, forbidding negotiation with a foreign power which the United States has a contentious relationship with. The US relationship with Russia is literally the definition of contentious, and asking a foreign power to hack your political opponent's emails is literally the definition of negotiating. So, actually, Donald Trump committed a crime. A felony in fact.

Trump didn't ask the Russians to do anything. He said that if they have more emails then they should release them.

Releasing emails is an action, and he asked them to, so, actually, you just contradicted yourself.

[Unified Governments]

Again, did he call Putin up and ask him to release the emails?

Saying that he wants Putin to release them doesn't prove he was in cahoots with him.

He called up Russia, who is lead by Putin.

Again I quote: "encourages or requests another person to engage in specific conduct which would constitute such crime or an attempt to commit such crime or which would establish his complicity in its commission or attempted commission"

Russia doesn't have them, Trump wants them to have them so that they can release it. Doing that would be requesting another person to engage in specific conduct which would constitute such crime or an attempt to commit such crime.

And for the sake of fairness I judge that Trump did not intend any ill will, so prosecution is deemed unnecessary and inappropriate for this case.

Someone who gets the crowd to chant "Lock her up" and his peers to go "put her in front of a firing squad" does not intend any ill will?

He said if they have they should release it. And unless he was actually in contact with Russia then it isn't a crime. Saying that he wants them to do something isn't being in "contact" with them. And who's to say they don't have it? Does anyone seriously believe that the Russians and the Chinese didn't know about Hillary's private servers? They've hacked damn near everything else in this country. You're engaging in some impressive mental gymnastics to try and say he did committed a crime. Tell me, if he did then why isn't he being brought up on charges? I'm sure the White House would jump at the chance to get him out of the race.

[Setgavarius]

I suppose you want me to sing the praises of our glorious liberator Putin now? Because it's worth it?
Human governance is overrated.

[Unified Governments]

So basically you don't support Clinton your liberal and really have no other choices?

Sorry, did I make it unclear that I find her policies to be reasonably progressive and forward looking? I thought that my use of the phrase "her policies are reasonably progressive and forward looking" would indicate that I do actually see positives in her, but I may have not stated it in a comprehensible manner. Let me try again: Her policies are reasonably progressive and forward looking. I like that, Therefore, I will be voting for her, and not simply against Trump.

Yes, we get it, you're voting for someone who endangers national security because she doesn't want to be held accountable. Fascinating.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

He called up Russia, who is lead by Putin.

Again I quote: "encourages or requests another person to engage in specific conduct which would constitute such crime or an attempt to commit such crime or which would establish his complicity in its commission or attempted commission"

Russia doesn't have them, Trump wants them to have them so that they can release it. Doing that would be requesting another person to engage in specific conduct which would constitute such crime or an attempt to commit such crime.



Someone who gets the crowd to chant "Lock her up" and his peers to go "put her in front of a firing squad" does not intend any ill will?

He said if they have they should release it. And unless he was actually in contact with Russia then it isn't a crime. Saying that he wants them to do something isn't being in "contact" with them. And who's to say they don't have it? Does anyone seriously believe that the Russians and the Chinese didn't know about Hillary's private servers? They've hacked damn near everything else in this country. You're engaging in some impressive mental gymnastics to try and say he did committed a crime. Tell me, if he did then why isn't he being brought up on charges? I'm sure the White House would jump at the chance to get him out of the race.

"If your listening" That sounds like he wants to be in contact with Russia.

I could use the same argument to defend Hillary, if shes guilty of a crime why is she not brought up on charges?

[Unified Governments]

He said if they have they should release it. And unless he was actually in contact with Russia then it isn't a crime. Saying that he wants them to do something isn't being in "contact" with them. And who's to say they don't have it? Does anyone seriously believe that the Russians and the Chinese didn't know about Hillary's private servers? They've hacked damn near everything else in this country. You're engaging in some impressive mental gymnastics to try and say he did committed a crime. Tell me, if he did then why isn't he being brought up on charges? I'm sure the White House would jump at the chance to get him out of the race.

"If your listening" That sounds like he wants to be in contact with Russia.

I could use the same argument to defend Hillary, if shes guilty of a crime why is she not brought up on charges?

You're splitting hairs that couldn't even be seen with an electron microscope.

Because neither the president nor the attorney general want Hillary Clinton convicted. Yet far be it from me to think they'd want to serve their own interests.

Also, because, ya know, what Trump did wasn't a crime.

[Cymrea]

Also, because, ya know, what Trump did wasn't a crime.

Wrong. What Trump did was a felony.

[Gauthier]

Because neither the president nor the attorney general want Hillary Clinton convicted. Yet far be it from me to think they'd want to serve their own interests.

Conversely if they want Trump convicted why haven't they fabricated charges?

[Unified Governments]

Also, because, ya know, what Trump did wasn't a crime.

Wrong. What Trump did was a felony.

Oh, for fucks' sake. He made a statement. He wasn't negotiating with Russia. He wasn't even in talks with Russia. If I go out and I say that I want Russia to releas Hillary's emails that doesn't fucking mean I'm negotiating with the Russian government.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

"If your listening" That sounds like he wants to be in contact with Russia.

I could use the same argument to defend Hillary, if shes guilty of a crime why is she not brought up on charges?

You're splitting hairs that couldn't even be seen with an electron microscope.

Because neither the president nor the attorney general want Hillary Clinton convicted. Yet far be it from me to think they'd want to serve their own interests.

Also, because, ya know, what Trump did wasn't a crime.

Or, and here me out here, she did nothing illegal and the evidence that we can't see and only the people who investigate these things proves that she didn't' commit a crime.

Also, you are making a pretty big Moralistic fallacy.


Again, Criminal Solicitation is a crime.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Wrong. What Trump did was a felony.

Oh, for fucks' sake. He made a statement. He wasn't negotiating with Russia. He wasn't even in talks with Russia. If I go out and I say that I want Russia to releas Hillary's emails that doesn't fucking mean I'm negotiating with the Russian government.

"If the Russians are listening" Sounds like he was talking to Russia I'd say.

[Unified Governments]

You're splitting hairs that couldn't even be seen with an electron microscope.

Because neither the president nor the attorney general want Hillary Clinton convicted. Yet far be it from me to think they'd want to serve their own interests.

Also, because, ya know, what Trump did wasn't a crime.

Or, and here me out here, she did nothing illegal and the evidence that we can't see and only the people who investigate these things proves that she didn't' commit a crime.

Also, you are making a pretty big Moralistic fallacy.


Again, Criminal Solicitation is a crime.

Or, ya know, she violated 18 United States Code 793, The Federal Records Keeping Act, and The Espionage Act.

It amazes me to see people who don't think that blatantly mishandling classified information is a crime.

[Unified Governments]

Oh, for fucks' sake. He made a statement. He wasn't negotiating with Russia. He wasn't even in talks with Russia. If I go out and I say that I want Russia to releas Hillary's emails that doesn't fucking mean I'm negotiating with the Russian government.

"If the Russians are listening" Sounds like he was talking to Russia I'd say.

Did he have Vlady Poot-Poot up on the phone when he said that?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Or, and here me out here, she did nothing illegal and the evidence that we can't see and only the people who investigate these things proves that she didn't' commit a crime.

Also, you are making a pretty big Moralistic fallacy.


Again, Criminal Solicitation is a crime.

Or, ya know, she violated 18 United States Code 793, The Federal Records Keeping Act, and The Espionage Act.

It amazes me to see people who don't think that blatantly mishandling classified information is a crime.

Then why hasn't she been charged?

And there is no concrete proof that the Attorney General or the President let there personal feelings overtake there professionalism.

Plus the FBI said themselves that she is not guilty.

"If the Russians are listening" Sounds like he was talking to Russia I'd say.

Did he have Vlady Poot-Poot up on the phone when he said that?

Broadcasting himself internationally so Putin had a strong chance of seeing him

[Trumpostan]

Look at the alternative.



Better?

No. The same shit. Different package.

But with troll Trump we will have a laugh.

Yes, when his tax plan blows a $17 trillion dollar hole in the budget, and he and Congress cut Medicare as a result, I and millions of others who are dependent upon this program to keep ourselves or our loved ones alive will find it hilarious as their lives are put at risk.

Its hilarious only to people who won't suffer the consequences of the GOP stance on healthcare, abortion, profiling. In other words, he/she/it can afford a trumpian presidency and doesn't care that others can't. Its the era where this sort of "edginess"is considered cool by parts of internet subculture.

[Unified Governments]

Or, ya know, she violated 18 United States Code 793, The Federal Records Keeping Act, and The Espionage Act.

It amazes me to see people who don't think that blatantly mishandling classified information is a crime.

Then why hasn't she been charged?

And there is no concrete proof that the Attorney General or the President let there personal feelings overtake there professionalism.

Plus the FBI said themselves that she is not guilty.

Did he have Vlady Poot-Poot up on the phone when he said that?

Broadcasting himself internationally so Putin had a strong chance of seeing him

You mean to tell me the president isn't personally invested in seeing her win? He endorsed her and is out campaigning with her. Bill Jefferson "BJ" Clinton met win Lynch on her jet while the investigation was still ongoing, after which Lynch refused to recuse herself.

And yes, the FBI said it. The FBI reports to the Justice Department.

And once again, you're splitting hairs. Unless he was in contact with Russia then it is not a crime. Either prove he was or just admit you're wrong.

[Arcipelago]

You're splitting hairs that couldn't even be seen with an electron microscope.

Because neither the president nor the attorney general want Hillary Clinton convicted. Yet far be it from me to think they'd want to serve their own interests.

Also, because, ya know, what Trump did wasn't a crime.

Or, and here me out here, she did nothing illegal and the evidence that we can't see and only the people who investigate these things proves that she didn't' commit a crime.

Also, you are making a pretty big Moralistic fallacy.


Again, Criminal Solicitation is a crime.

A person may not be convicted of criminal solicitation upon the uncorroborated testimony of the person allegedly solicited, and there must be proof of circumstances corroborating both the solicitation and the defendant's intent.

[Vassenor]

So you're saying there's some massive government conspiracy to install her as president?

What evidence do you have? Keeping in mind the plural of anecdote is not data.

[Kronstad]

Sure.
But China, India, Mexico, Japan, all countries in the Middle East, South America - those are allies.

China isn't. Much of the Middle East isn't. Parts of South America aren't.

That's a failing grade, pal.

the sarcasm











your head
Also,
>China isn't
>the Middle East isn't
If you like those so much why don't you move to the Middle East?
"Terrorists aren't enemies" sent from my gated white neighbourhood iPhone made by slave labour in China (who owns the US through debt)

[Arcipelago]

Look at the alternative.

(Image)

Better?

No. The same shit. Different package.

But with troll Trump we will have a laugh.

Yes, when his tax plan blows a $17 trillion dollar hole in the budget, and he and Congress cut Medicare as a result, I and millions of others who are dependent upon this program to keep ourselves or our loved ones alive will find it hilarious as their lives are put at risk.

What are you doing spending all this time on nationstates if you are barely kept alive on medicare? Honestly we shouldn't pay for you having all this free time.

[Parti Ouvrier]

This is the last straw for me. I was going to vote for Trump - not because I harbor any particular liking for the man or his policies, but because at least he's not Hillary. But this is different — now he, technically speaking, has actively encouraged foreign actors to commit crimes in our country. To me, that's borderline treasonous (figuratively, not legally). And, given Trump's remarks regarding our NATO obligations under Article 5, it doesn't surprise me that Russia would want a Trump presidency, I now feel that a vote for Trump is effectively a vote in favor of Russian interests and Russian domination of Eastern Europe.

I feel sorry for all of the actual republicans who got their party hijacked.

I don't. Anyway, not a big fan of Nato myself, but I think what Trump said was incredibly stupid, I guess its because they share that same strongman authoritarian politics, the difference is Putin is not as foolish and is has political savvy.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Then why hasn't she been charged?

And there is no concrete proof that the Attorney General or the President let there personal feelings overtake there professionalism.

Plus the FBI said themselves that she is not guilty.



Broadcasting himself internationally so Putin had a strong chance of seeing him

You mean to tell me the president isn't personally invested in seeing her win? He endorsed her and is out campaigning with her. Bill Jefferson "BJ" Clinton met win Lynch on her jet, after which Lynch refused to recuse herself.

And yes, the FBI said it. The FBI reports to the Justice Department.

And once again, you're splitting hairs. Unless he was in contact with Russia then it is not a crime. Either prove he was or just admit you're wrong.

You're assuming that the FBI isn't neutral in investigation.

If I broadcast myself to the world saying " If Serj Tankian is listening want you to know I love your songs!" is that communication with him?

Even if he isn't watching tv at the time, the message would still get to him via re tweets, youtube, email, Facebook, ect.

In a way, the message is sent to everyone but meant for a certain person.

[Kronstad]

So you're saying there's some massive government conspiracy to install her as president?

What evidence do you have? Keeping in mind the plural of anecdote is not data.

Did you live under a rock the past couple of weeks?
Hello DNC email leak.
There are 19,000 of them.
Get reading.
They also released voice recordings of DNC discussions.