Donald Trump invites Russia to hack Hillary Clinton

[Individual Concerns]

If only we could generally apply such strict interpretation of statute to Democrats accused of malfeasance.

I don't recall the last time a Democrat literally said "Yo Russia! Please please pretty please hack my opponents emails so she loses the election, mmmkay?"

No, traditional Democrat deferment to communist and psuedo-communist powers is typically more subtle, which is not saying much.
President Obama's assurances to Putin that he will be better able to cede to Putin's whims on his second term comes to immediate mind, but my personal favorite is Ted Kennedy's 1983 (a tumultuous year to be sure) letter to the Soviet General Secretary begging for patience, to wait Reagan out who was not yet favored for reelection, and "normal" relations would resume between the US/USSR after a Democrat turnover in '84.

Thank God that did not pan out.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I'm saying Trump wants them to.

Which isn't a crime.

It actually is.


"A person is guilty of solicitation to commit a crime if, with the purpose of promoting or facilitating its commission, he commands, encourages or requests another person to engage in specific conduct which would constitute such crime or an attempt to commit such crime or which would establish his complicity in its commission or attempted commission."

[Individual Concerns]

Which isn't a crime.

It actually is.


"A person is guilty of solicitation to commit a crime if, with the purpose of promoting or facilitating its commission, he commands, encourages or requests another person to engage in specific conduct which would constitute such crime or an attempt to commit such crime or which would establish his complicity in its commission or attempted commission."

And for the sake of fairness I judge that Trump did not intend any ill will, so prosecution is deemed unnecessary and inappropriate for this case.

[Unified Governments]

Which isn't a crime.

Trump asking them to constitutes a violation of the Logan Act, forbidding negotiation with a foreign power which the United States has a contentious relationship with. The US relationship with Russia is literally the definition of contentious, and asking a foreign power to hack your political opponent's emails is literally the definition of negotiating. So, actually, Donald Trump committed a crime. A felony in fact.

Did he call Putin up and ask him to release the emails or something?

Saying that he wants them to do it isn't a crime. He wasn't in contact with Putin.

[Unified Governments]

I don't think putting US national security at risk is a "minor" flaw.

And someone who begged the Russians to hack the country's internet as well as expressing eagerness to dismantle NATO isn't a liability?

I don't much care if the Russians release the rest of the Democrat's dirty laundry. Also, is something terribly wrong with asking NATO nations to spend the agreed upon percentage of their budget on defense?

[Unified Governments]

Which isn't a crime.

It actually is.


"A person is guilty of solicitation to commit a crime if, with the purpose of promoting or facilitating its commission, he commands, encourages or requests another person to engage in specific conduct which would constitute such crime or an attempt to commit such crime or which would establish his complicity in its commission or attempted commission."

Again, did he call Putin up and ask him to release the emails?

Saying that he wants Putin to release them doesn't prove he was in cahoots with him.

[Gauthier]

And someone who begged the Russians to hack the country's internet as well as expressing eagerness to dismantle NATO isn't a liability?

I don't much care if the Russians release the rest of the Democrat's dirty laundry. Also, is something terribly wrong with asking NATO nations to spend the agreed upon percentage of their budget on defense?

Because obviously the Russians will only dig up the Democratic files and leave the country's cyber infrastructure alone. And what the hell is 2% of the smaller countries' GDPs really going to contribute in terms of military hardware?

[Hutt-River-Province]

Donald Trump is stupid

[Arcipelago]

And Hillary who violated 18 United States Code 793, The Federal Records Keeping Act, and The Espionage Act? This damage control is adorable. Do you have any evidence he's actually in cahoots with the Russians?

Never suggested he was. Also, step off the high horse, it isn't that impressive and keeps shitting everywhere.

You should be happy, the horse is giving you more stuff to throw out there

[Unified Governments]

I don't much care if the Russians release the rest of the Democrat's dirty laundry. Also, is something terribly wrong with asking NATO nations to spend the agreed upon percentage of their budget on defense?

Because obviously the Russians will only dig up the Democratic files and leave the country's cyber infrastructure alone. And what the hell is 2% of the smaller countries' GDPs really going to contribute in terms of military hardware?

The DNC isn't even part of the government. And from what I understand the FBI is already investigating this. Which I find amusing since they don't have a great track record of cases involving emails. Did you react this way with Snowden, by the way? Just curious.

Isn't it funny, also, how every time a Democrat is investigated their emails magically vanish? It happened with Lois Lerner and then with Hillary Clinton. Fascinating.

And it doesn't fucking matter. If you wanna be a member of NATO then abide by your fucking obligations. Don't be a freeloader.

[Gauthier]

Because obviously the Russians will only dig up the Democratic files and leave the country's cyber infrastructure alone. And what the hell is 2% of the smaller countries' GDPs really going to contribute in terms of military hardware?

The DNC isn't even part of the government. And from what I understand the FBI is already investigating this. Which I find amusing since they don't have a great track record of cases involving emails. Did you react this way with Snowden, by the way? Just curious.

I had no idea Snowden leaked access codes to the country's power grid control and emergency services. Plus whatever credibility he had exposing the surveillance dried up the moment he decided to be Putin's willing sock puppet.

Isn't it funny, also, how every time a Democrat is investigated their emails magically vanish? It happened with Lois Lerner and then with Hillary Clinton. Fascinating.

So do you have actual evidence for this allegation? That every Democrat's email vanishes the moment they're being investigated.

And it doesn't fucking matter. If you wanna be a member of NATO then abide by your fucking obligations. Don't be a freeloader.

So you assume NATO isn't a mutual alliance treaty but a cable subscription program.

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

Donald Trump... he's like the second coming of Ronald Reagan.

I wonder if he'll actually win, he's definitely the most 'vivid' candidate, in that regard he's kind of like Nigel Farage from UKIP during the 2015 UK General Election.

What kind of corruption is Trump accusing Clinton of?

[Stormwrath]

Oh god why.

[Unified Governments]

The DNC isn't even part of the government. And from what I understand the FBI is already investigating this. Which I find amusing since they don't have a great track record of cases involving emails. Did you react this way with Snowden, by the way? Just curious.

1. I had no idea Snowden leaked access codes to the country's power grid control and emergency services. Plus whatever credibility he had exposing the surveillance dried up the moment he decided to be Putin's willing sock puppet.

Isn't it funny, also, how every time a Democrat is investigated their emails magically vanish? It happened with Lois Lerner and then with Hillary Clinton. Fascinating.

2. So do you have actual evidence for this allegation? That every Democrat's email vanishes the moment they're being investigated.

And it doesn't fucking matter. If you wanna be a member of NATO then abide by your fucking obligations. Don't be a freeloader.

3. So you assume NATO isn't a mutual alliance treaty but a cable subscription program.

1. I had no idea the DNC emails also contained access codes to our power surveillance grids. Please, tell me more. I find it amusing that you're trying to tie this into our national security. Any leaked Intel exposing corruption is fine by me.

2. You mean besides Lois Lerner's missing emails as well as Hillary Clinton, ya know, 33,000 deleted emails as well as her burning her schedules? Seriously, just Google "Hillary deleted emails" or "Hillary burning schedules".

3. NATO is a mutual defense organizations with certain obligations set out. One of them being that member states need to spend at least 2% of their budget on defense.

[Mikoyansk]

I wouldn't mind, but it seems that Trump doesn't know what the word "deleted" means. If the FBI can't find it in an investigation, I highly doubt Russians can find it in a hacking attempt.

I believe the point of that is the insinuation that Russia already has hacked into Hillary's server and copied the drive. I do also find it quite hilarious, almost to the point of not believing it. He did not speak the words, asking the Russians to hack the server. The quote in question:

"Russia, if you're listening,I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing; I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press."

Now, I am quite curious, where in that, exactly, is him actively asking the Russians to hack in to anything? It's not like they wouldn't already have had the opportunity to break into an unsecured server linked to a likewise unsecured Blackberry.

And no, they certainly wouldn't be able to find it now, the server's most certainly at least offline and likely completely destroyed somewhere by now. But I wouldn't doubt if the Russians, the Chinese or the handful of hackers who claim to have broken in, actually have.

[Arcipelago]

I had no idea Snowden leaked access codes to the country's power grid control and emergency services. Plus whatever credibility he had exposing the surveillance dried up the moment he decided to be Putin's willing sock puppet.

So you assume NATO isn't a mutual alliance treaty but a cable subscription program.

You realize by saying that the emails could have put sensitive info (like the power grid) in jeopardy is essential saying Clintons is either a fool or a criminal. Which they probably don't, just some stuff she doesn't want us to know. Again with the Putin's controlling Trump, he doesn't. When two leaders respect and like each other doesn't prove they're conspiring something.

You said NATO was a mutual alliance, keyword mutual.

[Gauthier]

1. I had no idea the DNC emails also contained access codes to our power surveillance grids. Please, tell me more. I find it amusing that you're trying to tie this into our national security. Any leaked Intel exposing corruption is fine by me.

And yet you're howling about them as if they did. And I'm sure you think leaving the country vulnerable to a concentrated cyberwarfare effort is well worth leaking "Intel exposing corruption".

2. You mean besides Lois Lerner's missing emails as well as Hillary Clinton, ya know, 33,000 deleted emails as well as her burning her schedules? Seriously, just Google "Hillary deleted emails" or "Hillary burning schedules".

You implied every Democrat deletes their emails under investigation:

Isn't it funny, also, how every time a Democrat is investigated their emails magically vanish? It happened with Lois Lerner and then with Hillary Clinton. Fascinating.

And then when called to provide evidence you can only bawl about Lois Lerner and Hillary Clinton.

3. NATO is a mutual defense organizations with certain obligations set out. One of them being that member states need to spend at least 2% of their budget on defense.

"It doesn't matter if it serves our interests, if you can't pay your Platinum Cable Package you're on your fucking own if Russia decides your Russian speaking population want to rejoin the Motherland."

[Lady Scylla]

Never suggested he was. Also, step off the high horse, it isn't that impressive and keeps shitting everywhere.

You should be happy, the horse is giving you more stuff to throw out there

Anything that reeks of arrogance is something I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole.

[Arcipelago]

You should be happy, the horse is giving you more stuff to throw out there

Anything that reeks of arrogance is something I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole.

But you would gladly throw things that reek of something else.

[Unified Governments]

1. I had no idea the DNC emails also contained access codes to our power surveillance grids. Please, tell me more. I find it amusing that you're trying to tie this into our national security. Any leaked Intel exposing corruption is fine by me.

1. And yet you're howling about them as if they did. And I'm sure you think leaving the country vulnerable to a concentrated cyberwarfare effort is well worth leaking "Intel exposing corruption".

2. You mean besides Lois Lerner's missing emails as well as Hillary Clinton, ya know, 33,000 deleted emails as well as her burning her schedules? Seriously, just Google "Hillary deleted emails" or "Hillary burning schedules".

2. You implied every Democrat deletes their emails under investigation:

Isn't it funny, also, how every time a Democrat is investigated their emails magically vanish? It happened with Lois Lerner and then with Hillary Clinton. Fascinating.

3. And then when called to provide evidence you can only bawl about Lois Lerner and Hillary Clinton.

3. NATO is a mutual defense organizations with certain obligations set out. One of them being that member states need to spend at least 2% of their budget on defense.

4. "It doesn't matter if it serves our interests, if you can't pay your Platinum Cable Package you're on your fucking own if Russia decides your Russian speaking population want to rejoin the Motherland."

1. No, I'm not. And nowhere did I say that I want to leave the county vulnerable, merely that I don't care if information exposing corruption is leaked. Especially since the DNC isn't even part of the government and has no relevance to national security.

2. I was admittedly speaking broadly, but if you want to nit-pick then be me guest. I was speaking about Lois Lerner and Hillary Clinton. That's, you know, why I said Lois Lerner and Hillary Clinton.

3. Hmpf, okay, fine. here. This isn't even hard.

4. Yeah, it serves our interests as well as there's. That's why it's a mutual defense organization. And since it serves their interests then they should meet their obligations.

[Lady Scylla]

Anything that reeks of arrogance is something I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole.

But you would gladly throw things that reek of something else.

Do point out where I've thrown such.

[Arcipelago]

But you would gladly throw things that reek of something else.

Do point out where I've thrown such.

Then it isn't treason. And I'll stay on my high horse all I wish. It's rather comfy.

Then you're not worth the effort.

And Hillary who violated 18 United States Code 793, The Federal Records Keeping Act, and The Espionage Act? This damage control is adorable. Do you have any evidence he's actually in cahoots with the Russians?

Never suggested he was. Also, step off the high horse, it isn't that impressive and keeps shitting everywhere.

The amount of snide and pointlessness in these qualify

[Lady Scylla]

Do point out where I've thrown such.

Then you're not worth the effort.

Never suggested he was. Also, step off the high horse, it isn't that impressive and keeps shitting everywhere.

The amount of snide and pointlessness in these qualify

Ah, I see. Well, I'm a bit surprised, I expected a strawman along the lines that I had somehow made unsubstantiated claims about Trump. Instead, I responded to someone putting words in my mouth, by throwing their adorable shit they had thrown back at them. I wouldn't call that unsubstantiated, either, really.

[Eastern Equestria]

Which isn't a crime.

Trump asking them to constitutes a violation of the Logan Act, forbidding negotiation with a foreign power which the United States has a contentious relationship with. The US relationship with Russia is literally the definition of contentious, and asking a foreign power to hack your political opponent's emails is literally the definition of negotiating. So, actually, Donald Trump committed a crime. A felony in fact.

Trump didn't ask the Russians to do anything. He said that if they have more emails then they should release them.

[Lady Scylla]

Trump asking them to constitutes a violation of the Logan Act, forbidding negotiation with a foreign power which the United States has a contentious relationship with. The US relationship with Russia is literally the definition of contentious, and asking a foreign power to hack your political opponent's emails is literally the definition of negotiating. So, actually, Donald Trump committed a crime. A felony in fact.

Trump didn't ask the Russians to do anything. He said that if they have more emails then they should release them.

Not even that, he said if Russia could find those missing emails, the media may reward them.

"Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press, let's see if that happens, that'll be next."