Donald Trump invites Russia to hack Hillary Clinton

[Spiffier]

“Sectarianism in the Middle East today is back to its heights as we saw in the times of Aquinas.” — George Friedman, 2012

Wahhabists aren't special, everyone is going fucking batshit right now.

Most of the struggle is ultimately between Saudi Arabia, which is Wahhabiist, and Iran. We were bound to back the House of Saud due to the Cold War, and even afterward due to the Petrodollar, but Israel's geopolitics, which align with Saudi Arabia's, have also become a major element in play. Even the Christian massacre of Shiites I just mentioned was driven completely by Israeli geopolitics (though Christian partisans in the Middle East today are mainly aligned with the Shiites, even alongside Hezbollah).

[Freefall11111]

Not the US, just the KSA, not that the Wahhabi groups are special, they're just coincidentally the group dominating the media.

The U.S. certainly supported the Taliban and Osama, who was a major leader of Al-Qaeda.

No, the US supported the Mujahideen against the Soviets, some of whom became the Taliban at a later date. You're getting very basic information wrong.

[Spiffier]

The U.S. certainly supported the Taliban and Osama, who was a major leader of Al-Qaeda.

No, the US supported the Mujahideen against the Soviets, some of whom became the Taliban at a later date. You're getting very basic information wrong.

Sorry, I got them mixed up, I meant they concretely supported Al-Qaeda, or at least the organization that would become Al-Qaeda.

[Kronstad]

>Trump invites Russia to hack Clinton
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

dat clickbait Crooked Title

Nevermind that Hillary deleted 33,000 emails and compromised national security by sending emails from her unprotected private server (which is how Russia got her emails in the first place). Nevermind that, Trump is "the national security risk" here amirite?
Nevermind that the cold war ended 25 years ago and that Russia (and Europe) was never a real enemy.

[Spiffier]

>Trump invites Russia to hack Clinton
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

dat clickbait Crooked Title

Nevermind that Hillary deleted 33,000 emails and compromised national security by sending emails from her unprotected private server (which is how Russia got her emails in the first place). Nevermind that, Trump is "the national security risk" here amirite?
Nevermind that the cold war ended 25 years ago and that Russia (and Europe) was never a real enemy.

How do you know Russia got her emails?

[Freefall11111]

No, the US supported the Mujahideen against the Soviets, some of whom became the Taliban at a later date. You're getting very basic information wrong.

Sorry, I got them mixed up, I meant they concretely supported Al-Qaeda, or at least the organization that would become Al-Qaeda.

On purpose in large scale? When & where did this happen, exactly?

[Kronstad]

How do you know Russia got her emails?

I don't but it's possible and even probable, seeing as how they have
-Snowden
-good hackers
-a cohesive government
-the emails weren't encrypted
Most importantly
-Guccifer, a Romanian hacker working by himself with no support from any government, says he hacked into Clinton's server

[Freefall11111]

>Trump invites Russia to hack Clinton
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

dat clickbait Crooked Title

Nevermind that Hillary deleted 33,000 emails and compromised national security by sending emails from her unprotected private server (which is how Russia got her emails in the first place). Nevermind that, Trump is "the national security risk" here amirite?
Nevermind that the cold war ended 25 years ago and that Russia (and Europe) was never a real enemy.

Russia was and is absolutely an enemy of the West. That's not even disputable. They have conflicting geopolitical interests with us.

[Kronstad]

Russia was and is absolutely an enemy of the West. That's not even disputable. They have conflicting geopolitical interests with us.

Sure.
But China, India, Mexico, Japan, all countries in the Middle East, South America - those are allies.

[Freefall11111]

Russia was and is absolutely an enemy of the West. That's not even disputable. They have conflicting geopolitical interests with us.

Sure.
But China, India, Mexico, Japan, all countries in the Middle East, South America - those are allies.

China isn't. Much of the Middle East isn't. Parts of South America aren't.

That's a failing grade, pal.

[Spiffier]

Sorry, I got them mixed up, I meant they concretely supported Al-Qaeda, or at least the organization that would become Al-Qaeda.

On purpose in large scale? When & where did this happen, exactly?

Through Operation Cyclone, tremendous money and arms were funneled into Afghanistan through Pakistan, which was supporting Maktab al-Khidamat

[Freefall11111]

On purpose in large scale? When & where did this happen, exactly?

Through Operation Cyclone, tremendous money and arms were funneled into Afghanistan through Pakistan, which was supporting Maktab al-Khidamat

Operation Cyclone was the Mujahideen, not Al Qaeda. They're not the same, even if a few people overlap between the two. Al Qaeda barely existed when Operation Cycle ended. The US never intentionally armed Al Qaeda.

[Spiffier]

Through Operation Cyclone, tremendous money and arms were funneled into Afghanistan through Pakistan, which was supporting Maktab al-Khidamat

Operation Cyclone was the Mujahideen, not Al Qaeda. They're not the same, even if a few people overlap between the two. Al Qaeda barely existed when Operation Cycle ended. The US never intentionally armed Al Qaeda.

Operation Cyclone's aid was channeled through the ISI who were aiding Maktab al-Khidamat. C'mon, man.

[The Archregimancy]

<gentle moderator nudge to try and get this thread back onto Trump's press conference, and away from the causes of ISIS and Al Qaeda>

[Spiffier]

Point taken.

[Trumpostan]

Any news today about the seditionist and his Kremlin pals?

[Ashmoria]

Good to see this topic still being active ^-^

A question that I have in mind after all of this, would Donald Trump be commiting treason by asking an opponent of the US to hack a citizen of the US?

don't we have to be at war with them for it to be treason? aid and comfort to the enemy and all.

[Arcipelago]

You guys are confusing 'asking to hack' and asking to hand over the emails if they have them.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Any news today about the seditionist and his Kremlin pals?

No, people stop caring about things quickly.

[Vedilia]

Any news today about the seditionist and his Kremlin pals?

No, people stop caring about things quickly.

Two days after a madman took over the government, nobody cares.
they think nothing has changed

[Bufett and Colbert]

Good to see this topic still being active ^-^

A question that I have in mind after all of this, would Donald Trump be commiting treason by asking an opponent of the US to hack a citizen of the US?

don't we have to be at war with them for it to be treason? aid and comfort to the enemy and all.

I would imagine that the state of war/peace matters most when we're talking about treason committed by civilians. I think, depending on the circumstances, it could either matter or not matter for service members. And in the case at hand, I think the individual's official capacity, rather than the state of war/peace, is most important.

Either way, same diff. Trump did not commit treason y'all.

[Gauthier]

Trump might not be an outright traitor for begging Russia to hack for Clinton's emails, but it's not a secret that he's practically owned by Russia and those tax returns he's trying to hide would probably confirm it. Along with everything that's been on the news I would not be surprised if the moment he gets sworn in Putin directs Trump's Russian creditors to squeeze him until the U.S. withdraws unilaterally from NATO.

[Arcipelago]

Trump might not be an outright traitor for begging Russia to hack for Clinton's emails, but it's not a secret that he's practically owned by Russia and those tax returns he's trying to hide would probably confirm it. Along with everything that's been on the news I would not be surprised if the moment he gets sworn in Putin directs Trump's Russian creditors to squeeze him until the U.S. withdraws unilaterally from NATO.

Again asking for the emails if they have them isn't the same as asking them to hack Clinton. Obviously him saying Russia will respect us means he is owned by Russia. Would you want to post your tax returns on this website? I mean honestly you're using the if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to hide argument. How many conspiracy theories have you been conditioned to believe about Trump? Enough to make you sound like a liberal more crazy Donald Trump.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Could you imagine going back in time 30 years and telling a Republican that in the future the Republican candidate is inviting Russia to hack the Democratic candidate and the Republicans are giddy?

[Vassenor]

You guys are confusing 'asking to hack' and asking to hand over the emails if they have them.

It's still asking a foreign power to intervene in order to influence the election in his favour.