Donald Trump invites Russia to hack Hillary Clinton

[Spiffier]

Bomb the terrorists, actually, and once we've one the war against ISIS and things look at least okay he'll retreat his troops back to America and initiate his more isolationist policies.

ISIS is an insurgency not a country. If the US eradicates ISIS and suddenly up and left, it wouldn't have resolved the problem that created ISIS.

Didn't America geopolitics create ISIS?

[Herador]

ISIS is an insurgency not a country. If the US eradicates ISIS and suddenly up and left, it wouldn't have resolved the problem that created ISIS.

Didn't America geopolitics create ISIS?

In almost that exact way too. I know history repeats itself, but doesn't the process usually take a bit longer?

[New Werpland]

No I don't. But it's clear the key principle of Trump's Middle East policy is "bomb the scary Arabs and base your policy off whatever appears to be popular at the moment."

Nah. The key principles are don't depose Assad, and have the Saudi's start handling their own problems instead of us giving them support. I'd say he leans toward Russia's geopolitics of the Middle East.

Hillary cannot depose Assad. The chance to do so is gone especially with Erdogan pulling out.

Assad does not care about getting rid of ISIS, as shown by the fact that he happily bombs people he's supposed to be in a ceasefire with. If you really believe she's some cartoonish Israel lobby shill, you'll be comforted (I hope) to know that achieving a compromise resolution in Syria is also in Israel's favor.

[New Werpland]

ISIS is an insurgency not a country. If the US eradicates ISIS and suddenly up and left, it wouldn't have resolved the problem that created ISIS.

Didn't America geopolitics create ISIS?

Yes, but if we'd been a little bit smarter in remaking Iraq it could have been avoided.

[Spiffier]

Didn't America geopolitics create ISIS?

In almost that exact way too. I know history repeats itself, but doesn't the process usually take a bit longer?

Unless the idea is to repeat for an excuse to repeat yet again.

[Herador]

Didn't America geopolitics create ISIS?

Yes, but if we'd been a little bit smarter in remaking Iraq it could have been avoided.

I dunno man, seems to me like another round of insurgency from some group was probably unavoidable. Guess that's the topic for another thread though.

[Spiffier]

Nah. The key principles are don't depose Assad, and have the Saudi's start handling their own problems instead of us giving them support. I'd say he leans toward Russia's geopolitics of the Middle East.

Hillary cannot depose Assad. The chance to do so is gone especially with Erdogan realigning with Putin.

Assad does not care about getting rid of ISIS, as shown by the fact that he happily bombs people he's supposed to be in a ceasefire with. If you really believe she's some cartoonish Israel lobby shill, you'll be comforted (I hope) to know that achieving a compromise resolution in Syria is also in Israel's favor.

Erdogan isn't going to ally with Putin in Syria, I don't think, but if he did, that would certainly end all chances of deposing Assad. Nonetheless, the war can be dragged on and on much longer if Clinton starts backing the rebels; look how much of a difference Russian bombing did.

Israel wants him gone completely, they're on the same page as Saudi Arabia. I only believe Clinton wants to depose of Assad for Israel, because she said it explicitly in her email.

[Arkinesia]

Let them do that screw that war criminal called clinton.

Wow, Trump supporters really don't give a shit when Trump does things that would disqualify anyone else. Seriously, this probably isn't legal.

I'm pretty sure no major Presidential candidate has openly called on a foreign country to attack the United States whether as President or while campaigning to be President.

It's pretty unprecedented and just drives home exactly how in bed with the Russian oligarchy this guy is.

[Freefall11111]

ISIS is an insurgency not a country. If the US eradicates ISIS and suddenly up and left, it wouldn't have resolved the problem that created ISIS.

Didn't America geopolitics create ISIS?

Partial blame can be laid on the USA not embarking on much more extensive nation-building in Iraq, yes, which only further strengthens how idiotic a proposal of "bomb them and pull out" is.

[Spiffier]

Wow, Trump supporters really don't give a shit when Trump does things that would disqualify anyone else. Seriously, this probably isn't legal.

I'm pretty sure no major Presidential candidate has openly called on a foreign country to attack the United States whether as President or while campaigning to be President.

It's pretty unprecedented and just drives home exactly how in bed with the Russian oligarchy this guy is.

The Russian oligarchy opposes Putin.

[Arkinesia]

ISIS is an insurgency not a country. If the US eradicates ISIS and suddenly up and left, it wouldn't have resolved the problem that created ISIS.

Didn't America geopolitics create ISIS?

It's hella more complicated than that. But sort of. Really, it all happened because of the Ba'athists getting kicked out of not just officeholding, but public life in Iraq.

For a perfect, beat-by-beat explanation of how ISIS came to be—and I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but—I would recommend watching House of Cards, specifically the scene in the last episode of the current season, I think it's the last one, where Claire is talking to the ICO operative about the origins of ICO…yeah, ICO was an obvious ISIS analogue and its in-fiction origin story is also an exact fit.

[Spiffier]

Didn't America geopolitics create ISIS?

Partial blame can be laid on the USA not embarking on much more extensive nation-building in Iraq, yes, which only further strengthens how idiotic a proposal of "bomb them and pull out" is.

I think entire blame can be laid on the U.S. for invading in the first place.

[Freefall11111]

Partial blame can be laid on the USA not embarking on much more extensive nation-building in Iraq, yes, which only further strengthens how idiotic a proposal of "bomb them and pull out" is.

I think entire blame can be laid on the U.S. for invading in the first place.

That's an oversimplification of sectarian conflicts in the Middle East that have existed long before the US ever even thought to intervene in the region.

But sure, if it makes you feel good, go ahead and believe that.

[Arkinesia]

I think entire blame can be laid on the U.S. for invading in the first place.

That's an oversimplification of sectarian conflicts in the Middle East that have existed long before the US ever even thought to intervene in the region.

But sure, if it makes you feel good, go ahead and believe that.

Forget US intervention, many of these sectarian conflicts have existed before the US did.

[Penguin Union Nation]

I can't wait to see the Hillary Clinton campaign ad from this: "Sure, I'm part of the oligarchy... but the AMERICAN oligarchy! It's either us or the Russian one!"

[Freefall11111]

That's an oversimplification of sectarian conflicts in the Middle East that have existed long before the US ever even thought to intervene in the region.

But sure, if it makes you feel good, go ahead and believe that.

Forget US intervention, many of these sectarian conflicts have existed before the US did.

Remember when the Middle East was stable?

Me neither, and I tried looking through all of recorded history.

[Herador]

I can't wait to see the Hillary Clinton campaign ad from this: "Sure, I'm part of the oligarchy... but the AMERICAN oligarchy! It's either us or the Russian one!"

What's that old saying? The oligarchy you know and what not.

[Moravianda]

Idiotic.

[The Archregimancy]

Wow, Trump supporters really don't give a shit when Trump does things that would disqualify anyone else. Seriously, this probably isn't legal.

I'm voting Trump. Fck you

Hey! Manners!

How about you grow a thicker skin?

This world is slowly becoming a college campus-like safe space. Not the best way to evolve the Human race. If someone cant take a "fck you", they have problems.

The correct response to coming off a 7-day ban for flaming, etc. isn't to then flame someone and then run around telling people who object to grow a thicker skin and then state that anyone who can't take being flamed has problems.

*** Your time is done here under this account. ***

[New Werpland]

Hillary cannot depose Assad. The chance to do so is gone especially with Erdogan realigning with Putin.

Assad does not care about getting rid of ISIS, as shown by the fact that he happily bombs people he's supposed to be in a ceasefire with. If you really believe she's some cartoonish Israel lobby shill, you'll be comforted (I hope) to know that achieving a compromise resolution in Syria is also in Israel's favor.

Erdogan isn't going to ally with Putin in Syria, I don't think, but if he did, that would certainly end all chances of deposing Assad. Nonetheless, the war can be dragged on and on much longer if Clinton starts backing the rebels; look how much of a difference Russian bombing did.

Israel wants him gone completely, they're on the same page as Saudi Arabia. I only believe Clinton wants to depose of Assad for Israel, because she said it explicitly in her email.

http://www.politico.eu/article/turkish-pilots-who-downed-russian-jet-arrested-over-coup-plot-erdogan/

Yes, Erdogan has given up his Syrian folly and returned home.

Assad's the one dragging the conflict on by refusing to accept cooperating with his opposition against ISIS. Remember how he was all pro-Kurdish once? Well he bombs them as well.

Bullying him into some kind of solid agreement with the opposition would result in a much less favorable atmosphere for ISIS, and still be beneficial to Israel as a significantly less Iran-friendly government would be in control of Syria in the end.

[Tillania]

I'm pretty sure no major Presidential candidate has openly called on a foreign country to attack the United States whether as President or while campaigning to be President.

It's pretty unprecedented and just drives home exactly how in bed with the Russian oligarchy this guy is.

"Bring'em on!"?

[Spiffier]

I think entire blame can be laid on the U.S. for invading in the first place.

That's an oversimplification of sectarian conflicts in the Middle East that have existed long before the US ever even thought to intervene in the region.

But sure, if it makes you feel good, go ahead and believe that.

Sectarian conflicts existed, but Wahhabism as a powerful, global terrorist movement was almost completely fomented by the U.S. and Saudi Arabia. Even Christians in the Middle East have conducted sporadic mass-sectarian slaughter in the 20th Century (see the Sabra and Shatila massacre, for instance), but the Wahhabi groups are another story.

[Freefall11111]

That's an oversimplification of sectarian conflicts in the Middle East that have existed long before the US ever even thought to intervene in the region.

But sure, if it makes you feel good, go ahead and believe that.

Sectarian conflicts existed, but Wahhabism as a powerful, global terrorist movement was almost completely fomented by the U.S. and Saudi Arabia. Even Christians in the Middle East have conducted sporadic mass-sectarian slaughter in the 20th Century (see the Sabra and Shatila massacre, for instance), but the Wahhabi groups are another story.

Not the US, just the KSA, not that the Wahhabi groups are special, they're just coincidentally the group dominating the media.

[Arkinesia]

I can't wait to see the Hillary Clinton campaign ad from this: "Sure, I'm part of the oligarchy... but the AMERICAN oligarchy! It's either us or the Russian one!"

I'll take American oligarchy serving the interests of cold-hearted capitalism over the Russian oligarchy supporting an anti-LGBT, thoughtcrime executing dictator.

Sectarian conflicts existed, but Wahhabism as a powerful, global terrorist movement was almost completely fomented by the U.S. and Saudi Arabia. Even Christians in the Middle East have conducted sporadic mass-sectarian slaughter in the 20th Century (see the Sabra and Shatila massacre, for instance), but the Wahhabi groups are another story.

“Sectarianism in the Middle East today is back to its heights as we saw in the times of Aquinas.” — George Friedman, 2012

Wahhabists aren't special, everyone is going fucking batshit right now.

[Spiffier]

Sectarian conflicts existed, but Wahhabism as a powerful, global terrorist movement was almost completely fomented by the U.S. and Saudi Arabia. Even Christians in the Middle East have conducted sporadic mass-sectarian slaughter in the 20th Century (see the Sabra and Shatila massacre, for instance), but the Wahhabi groups are another story.

Not the US, just the KSA, not that the Wahhabi groups are special, they're just coincidentally the group dominating the media.

The U.S. certainly supported the Taliban and Osama, who was a major leader of Al-Qaeda.