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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:41 pm

At this rate I don't care. It'll be safer to just move to Sweden, start a black metal band and shoot myself than if I stayed in America.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:41 pm

Eutriston wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
She already made a concession about that, and apologized.

So I guess I can shoot somebody and apologize and it's all good? By the way, she didn't apologise until she began taking heat for it, in typical fashion.


You're comparing a stupid choice of words to shooting someone?

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:42 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:At this rate I don't care. It'll be safer to just move to Sweden, start a black metal band and shoot myself than if I stayed in America.


Okay. Have fun with that. Don't forget to write.

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Postby Eutriston » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:42 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Eutriston wrote:How could one know about the countless Clinton scandals ranging from Bill's term to her tenure as Secretary of State and still be a Clinton Supporter?


Her flaws are minor considering the horror show that is Trump, and her policies are reasonably progressive and forward-looking. There's also the nice benefit of them being based in reality.

So basically you don't support Clinton your liberal and really have no other choices?
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Postby Eutriston » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:43 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:At this rate I don't care. It'll be safer to just move to Sweden, start a black metal band and shoot myself than if I stayed in America.

I'd like to see half the people that say that they'll move do it.
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Postby Spiffier » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:43 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Spiffier wrote:Better policy.


Where?

Almost everything except for Clinton's support of comprehensive healthcare. Trump's Middle East geopolitics are much better, and Clinton's plan for fixing the economy, including in the platform, is pretty much nothing more than "clean energy sources". Her concrete plan for reigning in big money is pretty much nothing more than, "We're going to prosecute fraud," whereas Trump supports bringing back the Glass-Steagall Act.
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Postby Eutriston » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:44 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Eutriston wrote:So I guess I can shoot somebody and apologize and it's all good? By the way, she didn't apologise until she began taking heat for it, in typical fashion.


You're comparing a stupid choice of words to shooting someone?

He's insinuating that it was okay for Clinton to say it because she "apologized". So applied the principle to a different situation to see if it was still okay then.
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Postby Spiffier » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:45 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:her policies are reasonably progressive and forward-looking.

These are just buzzwords though
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Postby New Werpland » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:49 pm

Spiffier wrote:Trump's Middle East geopolitics are much better

Trump wants to bomb all the Arabs. Clinton wants to bomb Assad.

Which is better?

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Postby Eutriston » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:53 pm

This whole election isn't really about the candidates anyway, it's if America is going to take a right turn or keep left. No matter what candidates do, or what they have done, people are voting not because of them, but because of the ideology they want to see furthered. The debate on which candidate is better is one that will never end because in this election people are not budging from their positions because even though they may not realize it, they are indirectly trying to influence America's political compass, which means everybody is doing what they are doing no matter what.
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Postby Spiffier » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:53 pm

New Werpland wrote:
Spiffier wrote:Trump's Middle East geopolitics are much better

Trump wants to bomb all the Arabs. Clinton wants to bomb Assad.

Which is better?

You think Trump would bomb Saudi Arabia?
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Postby Sack Jackpot Winners » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:54 pm

Liriena wrote:
Sack Jackpot Winners wrote:That's not what happened. As the article said



This implies it's already in their possession. That's more than saying "GUYZ HACK CLINTON MWAHAHAH".

Ah, nice cherry pick.

Here's another cherry pick.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/27/trump-hope-russia-finds-the-30000-emails-that-are-missing.html
Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.

I fail to see the problem with what he said.

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Postby Eutriston » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:54 pm

New Werpland wrote:
Spiffier wrote:Trump's Middle East geopolitics are much better

Trump wants to bomb all the Arabs. Clinton wants to bomb Assad.

Which is better?

She has a nack for taking out the only possible agents of stability in countries we have no business being in doesn't she?
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Postby Spiffier » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:54 pm

Eutriston wrote:This whole election isn't really about the candidates anyway, it's if America is going to take a right turn or keep left. No matter what candidates do, or what they have done, people are voting not because of them, but because of the ideology they want to see furthered. The debate on which candidate is better is one that will never end because in this election people are not budging from their positions because even though they may not realize it, they are indirectly trying to influence America's political compass, which means everybody is doing what they are doing no matter what.

While what you're saying represents a significant demographic, there also a big enough demographic that actually does vote for the candidate, and those are the ones that matter.
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Postby Eutriston » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:56 pm

Spiffier wrote:
Eutriston wrote:This whole election isn't really about the candidates anyway, it's if America is going to take a right turn or keep left. No matter what candidates do, or what they have done, people are voting not because of them, but because of the ideology they want to see furthered. The debate on which candidate is better is one that will never end because in this election people are not budging from their positions because even though they may not realize it, they are indirectly trying to influence America's political compass, which means everybody is doing what they are doing no matter what.

While what you're saying represents a significant demographic, there also a big enough demographic that actually does vote for the candidate, and those are the ones that matter.

In other words, the extremely rare swing voters this election.
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Postby Spiffier » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:58 pm

Eutriston wrote:
Spiffier wrote:While what you're saying represents a significant demographic, there also a big enough demographic that actually does vote for the candidate, and those are the ones that matter.

In other words, the extremely rare swing voters this election.

They're hardly rare, considering the support for both Clinton and Trump in polls asking who would you vote for if they went head to head, has fluctuated enormously over the last year since Trump announced his candidacy. They're, first of all, most of the people who aren't affiliated to either party (which is pretty significant), as well as a decent margin who are affiliated.
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Postby Eutriston » Thu Jul 28, 2016 12:00 am

Spiffier wrote:
Eutriston wrote:In other words, the extremely rare swing voters this election.

They're hardly rare, considering the support for both Clinton and Trump in polls asking who would you vote for if they went head to head, has fluctuated enormously over the last year since Trump announced his candidacy. They're, first of all, most of the people who aren't affiliated to either party (which is pretty significant), as well as a decent margin who are affiliated.

Your right.
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Postby Uiiop » Thu Jul 28, 2016 12:01 am

Spiffier wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Where?

Almost everything except for Clinton's support of comprehensive healthcare. Trump's Middle East geopolitics are much better, and Clinton's plan for fixing the economy, including in the platform, is pretty much nothing more than "clean energy sources". Her concrete plan for reigning in big money is pretty much nothing more than, "We're going to prosecute fraud," whereas Trump supports bringing back the Glass-Steagall Act.

CAn we bring this all back to the main theard?
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Postby New Werpland » Thu Jul 28, 2016 12:04 am

Spiffier wrote:
New Werpland wrote:Trump wants to bomb all the Arabs. Clinton wants to bomb Assad.

Which is better?

You think Trump would bomb Saudi Arabia?

No I don't. But it's clear the key principle of Trump's Middle East policy is "bomb the scary Arabs and base your policy off whatever appears to be popular at the moment."

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Postby Spiffier » Thu Jul 28, 2016 12:04 am

Eutriston wrote:
Spiffier wrote:They're hardly rare, considering the support for both Clinton and Trump in polls asking who would you vote for if they went head to head, has fluctuated enormously over the last year since Trump announced his candidacy. They're, first of all, most of the people who aren't affiliated to either party (which is pretty significant), as well as a decent margin who are affiliated.

Your right.

It looks different here because this site caters to those especially interested in politics; those especially interested in politics will feel more strongly about particular ideologies. The swing voters are generally those who aren't especially interested in politics.
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Postby Eutriston » Thu Jul 28, 2016 12:04 am

I think Trump went too far, again, and I think if prosecuted right this is going to end his chances right now. See, I'm a Trump supporter, but I'm not a blind one. Honestly if there is nothing classified there is nothing to lose, and it isn't treason because these are Clinton's own emails, that's what fueled the scandal. The notion Russia didn't hack Clintons emails before this is dumb, if they hacked the DNC, they'll hack anyone just as easy.
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Postby New Werpland » Thu Jul 28, 2016 12:05 am

Eutriston wrote:
New Werpland wrote:Trump wants to bomb all the Arabs. Clinton wants to bomb Assad.

Which is better?

She has a nack for taking out the only possible agents of stability in countries we have no business being in doesn't she?

Moving past the "Arab dictators are always bringers of stabiliteh" fallacy, Trump supported the Iraq War as well.

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Postby Eutriston » Thu Jul 28, 2016 12:06 am

New Werpland wrote:
Spiffier wrote:You think Trump would bomb Saudi Arabia?

No I don't. But it's clear the key principle of Trump's Middle East policy is "bomb the scary Arabs and base your policy off whatever appears to be popular at the moment."

Bomb the terrorists, actually, and once we've one the war against ISIS and things look at least okay he'll retreat his troops back to America and initiate his more isolationist policies.
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Postby Spiffier » Thu Jul 28, 2016 12:11 am

New Werpland wrote:
Spiffier wrote:You think Trump would bomb Saudi Arabia?

No I don't. But it's clear the key principle of Trump's Middle East policy is "bomb the scary Arabs and base your policy off whatever appears to be popular at the moment."

Nah. The key principles are don't depose Assad, and have the Saudi's start handling their own problems instead of us giving them support. I'd say he leans toward Russia's geopolitics of the Middle East.
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Postby New Werpland » Thu Jul 28, 2016 12:12 am

Eutriston wrote:
New Werpland wrote:No I don't. But it's clear the key principle of Trump's Middle East policy is "bomb the scary Arabs and base your policy off whatever appears to be popular at the moment."

Bomb the terrorists, actually, and once we've one the war against ISIS and things look at least okay he'll retreat his troops back to America and initiate his more isolationist policies.

ISIS is an insurgency not a country. If the US eradicates ISIS and suddenly up and left, it wouldn't have resolved the problem that created ISIS.

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