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Postby Liriena » Wed Jul 27, 2016 9:02 pm

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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jul 27, 2016 9:03 pm

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I'm not bending over backwards. I've elaborated on these principles on this forum before numerous times.
It's an odd situation in that Hillary isn't yet the government, but if you view it as two sides, it's clear that one is democratic and one is undemocratic and corrupt. Both are trying to take over the government.
The democratic side is therefore justified in my opinion in doing whatever it takes to ensure the other side doesn't win.

Democratic side? Very funny, so democratic that when my state's delegates voted for Cruz, they punished them by moving their section into the corner of the hall.


Not to mention when someone voted someone else, the Party said"No, fuck you, you're voting for Trump."
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Postby Marcurix » Wed Jul 27, 2016 9:22 pm

Regardless of whether he was joking or not, a presidential candidate should not endorse the hacking of a contenders information.

Particularly when that information could be sensitive from a national security sense and unduly affect the contest they're in.

I realise Trump has turned this process into an actual joke, one that stopped being funny past the initial stages of the Republican Primaries, but there are still some standards to uphold.
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Postby Shonburg » Wed Jul 27, 2016 9:23 pm

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Shonburg wrote:Democratic side? Very funny, so democratic that when my state's delegates voted for Cruz, they punished them by moving their section into the corner of the hall.


Not to mention when someone voted someone else, the Party said"No, fuck you, you're voting for Trump."

Who would have thought that Colorado, a state were Hispanics and Whites get along very well and Hispanics are a large part of the population would've voted for Cruz? Oh wait, do what to their votes? Okay, sure RNC.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Jul 27, 2016 9:32 pm

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Doral, Florida — Donald Trump called on Russia to hack Hillary Clinton's email on Wednesday.

"Russia, if you're listening I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press," Trump said during a news conference in Florida.

Shortly after his event ended, Trump repeated his call on Twitter.

"If Russia or any other country or person has Hillary Clinton's 33,000 illegally deleted emails, perhaps they should share them with the FBI!" Trump tweeted.

Trump also suggested during his news conference that Russian President Vladimir Putin's lack of respect for the U.S. prompted him to once call President Barack Obama "the N word." There are no published reports to back up Trump's claim about Putin's use of the racially derogatory term.

"I was shocked. Number one, he doesn't like him. Number two, he doesn't respect him," Trump said.

He called Russia's potential involvement in the hack another sign of Russia's "disrespect for our country."

Trump said U.S.-Russia relations would be better under his presidency than if Clinton ascended to the Oval Office, saying he would treat Putin "firmly," but would seek to bolster ties between the U.S. and Russia.

"He will respect me," Trump said.

(Source: http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/27/politics/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-hack-hillary-clinton/index.html)


Of all the idiotic things he says, why this?

Nothing wrong with Trump calling on hackers to share information with law enforcement.
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Postby Eutriston » Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:02 pm

Shonburg wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Not to mention when someone voted someone else, the Party said"No, fuck you, you're voting for Trump."

Who would have thought that Colorado, a state were Hispanics and Whites get along very well and Hispanics are a large part of the population would've voted for Cruz? Oh wait, do what to their votes? Okay, sure RNC.

You obviously dont read too much into specifics; the RNC forced Colorado to vote Trump because their Primary Mechanism did not meet RNC standards. Their delegates were able to vote for whoever they wanted, and they were not unbound delegates. That's why they were forced. Not because the RNC thought they'd diss Hispanic voters.
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Postby Eutriston » Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:05 pm

And if there is no classified emails, there is no threat to national security, right?
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Postby Shonburg » Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:17 pm

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Shonburg wrote:Who would have thought that Colorado, a state were Hispanics and Whites get along very well and Hispanics are a large part of the population would've voted for Cruz? Oh wait, do what to their votes? Okay, sure RNC.

You obviously dont read too much into specifics; the RNC forced Colorado to vote Trump because their Primary Mechanism did not meet RNC standards. Their delegates were able to vote for whoever they wanted, and they were not unbound delegates. That's why they were forced. Not because the RNC thought they'd diss Hispanic voters.

Oh so its "Your democracy is not the right democracy" is it?
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Postby Rusozak » Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:26 pm

So, we're just gonna let foreign governments buy the election now? That's the new status quo?
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Postby Orberstine » Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:29 pm

Rusozak wrote:So, we're just gonna let foreign governments buy the election now? That's the new status quo?

I'm just surprised it took this long.

Besides the point, who's buying whom exactly?
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Postby Aleckandor » Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:44 pm

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Rusozak wrote:So, we're just gonna let foreign governments buy the election now? That's the new status quo?

I'm just surprised it took this long.

Besides the point, who's buying whom exactly?


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Postby Spiffier » Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:54 pm

The International Anti-Brony Coalition wrote:Bill Clinton was the 2nd most corrupt president behind Obama. So Hillary Clinton can't be any better. #ClintonCorruption.

Obama was the most corrupt POTUS? Can you actually substantiate that? From how the guy has been handling foreign policy, it looks like he follows his conscience far more than any foreign or corporate interests.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:57 pm

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Socialist Nordia wrote:Except there is evidence. He claimed a judge was incapable of doing his job because of his Mexican heritage.

He screwed up on that one, I'll admit.


There's also this:

A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a black accountant: "Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control." Trump at first denied the remarks, but later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that "the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true."

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:59 pm

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And give me a quote on the Mexicans are rapists, in one continuous statement.



If you're a Trump supporter how is it you don't know one of the most infamous things he's said in the last year?


How could one know about it and still be a Trump supporter? I think that's the real question.

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Postby Spiffier » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:04 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
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If you're a Trump supporter how is it you don't know one of the most infamous things he's said in the last year?


How could one know about it and still be a Trump supporter? I think that's the real question.

Better policy.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:06 pm

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Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
How could one know about it and still be a Trump supporter? I think that's the real question.

Better policy.


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Postby Herador » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:10 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Khadgar wrote:

If you're a Trump supporter how is it you don't know one of the most infamous things he's said in the last year?


How could one know about it and still be a Trump supporter? I think that's the real question.

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Postby Eutriston » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:25 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Khadgar wrote:

If you're a Trump supporter how is it you don't know one of the most infamous things he's said in the last year?


How could one know about it and still be a Trump supporter? I think that's the real question.

How could one know about the countless Clinton scandals ranging from Bill's term to her tenure as Secretary of State and still be a Clinton Supporter?
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:29 pm

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How could one know about it and still be a Trump supporter? I think that's the real question.

How could one know about the countless Clinton scandals ranging from Bill's term to her tenure as Secretary of State and still be a Clinton Supporter?


The scandals Bill is involved with is irrelevant. As to Clinton, because they haven't made any stick, and because Trump seems far worse.
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Eutriston wrote:How could one know about the countless Clinton scandals ranging from Bill's term to her tenure as Secretary of State and still be a Clinton Supporter?


The scandals Bill is involved with is irrelevant. As to Clinton, because they haven't made any stick, and because Trump seems far worse.

Hillary was involved in a lot of Bill's baggage, don't deny.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:33 pm

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The scandals Bill is involved with is irrelevant. As to Clinton, because they haven't made any stick, and because Trump seems far worse.

Hillary was involved in a lot of Bill's baggage, don't deny.


Again Bill's scandals are irrelevant, Bill is not the one running for president.
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Eutriston wrote:Hillary was involved in a lot of Bill's baggage, don't deny.


Again Bill's scandals are irrelevant, Bill is not the one running for president.

Well what about when she implied that African Americans were "super-predators"
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:38 pm

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Again Bill's scandals are irrelevant, Bill is not the one running for president.

Well what about when she implied that African Americans were "super-predators"


She already made a concession about that, and apologized.
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Postby Eutriston » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:39 pm

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Eutriston wrote:Well what about when she implied that African Americans were "super-predators"


She already made a concession about that, and apologized.

So I guess I can shoot somebody and apologize and it's all good? By the way, she didn't apologise until she began taking heat for it, in typical fashion.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:40 pm

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Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
How could one know about it and still be a Trump supporter? I think that's the real question.

How could one know about the countless Clinton scandals ranging from Bill's term to her tenure as Secretary of State and still be a Clinton Supporter?


Her flaws are minor considering the horror show that is Trump, and her policies are reasonably progressive and forward-looking. There's also the nice benefit of them being based in reality.

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