DNC leak

[The Serbian Empire]

DNC is not satisfied by merely controlling the message coming out of the NY Times. They was to run all the media.

Their inner workings are as democratic and transparent as Pyongyang.

Kim Jong-Un makes North Korea more transparent than the DNC.

[Spiffier]

I don't see how that's immoral or how that would extend the war longer than as much as Assad has been able to achieve on his own.

She wants to destabilize the region to make it a repeat of Libya. Wikileaks already released the email where she said the government needs to come down because Israel doesn't like it.

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328

The rebels in Syria are backed by Turkey and Saudi Arabia, and number Al-Qaeda (whom both states support in Syria) among their ranks; if they gain control, the state will change from a secular one, into a Islamist nightmare.

http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/sy ... ead-world/

I know nothing about the Houthis.

They're moderate Muslims in Yemen fighting against Wahhabism (which recently massacred a convent of nuns there) and Saudi Arabia.

[The East Marches]

Clinton is far more supportive Israel, far more supportive of Saudi Arabia, and would make deposing Assad a much greater priority in Syria (whereas Obama prioritizes eliminating ISIS over there, even to the extent of cooperating with Russia, something Clinton would never do). I also imagine, though this is more of a guess, she'd be a lot more hostile toward Iran.

And kowtowing to the policy urgings of Saudi Arabia and Israel has led us into deep trouble and gained us no advantage in the area.

Next stop: war against Iran?

This time we will be home by Christmas for sure.

[Washington Resistance Army]

And kowtowing to the policy urgings of Saudi Arabia and Israel has led us into deep trouble and gained us no advantage in the area.

Next stop: war against Iran?

This time we will be home by Christmas for sure.

I don't think we've even been home by Christmas.

[Spiffier]

Clinton is far more supportive Israel, far more supportive of Saudi Arabia, and would make deposing Assad a much greater priority in Syria (whereas Obama prioritizes eliminating ISIS over there, even to the extent of cooperating with Russia, something Clinton would never do). I also imagine, though this is more of a guess, she'd be a lot more hostile toward Iran.

And kowtowing to the policy urgings of Saudi Arabia and Israel has led us into deep trouble and gained us no advantage in the area.

Next stop: war against Iran?

I sure hope not. Iran's theocracy might be awful, but they are leagues ahead of Saudi Arabia, and none of the extremist Muslims, like ISIS, the Taliban, or Al-Qaeda, come out of their brand of Islam, whereas all those groups came out of Wahhabism, which is heavily funded and propagated by Saudi Arabia, it would be like if there were an incredibly oil-rich nation adapted the Westerboro Baptist Church as their religion and poured fortunes into exporting the ideology around the world and encouraging it to be violent.

[Luminesa]

Just like an onion. The more you peel away its layers, the more it stinks. XD

I thought House of Cards was just a decent, if overrated television show, not a documentary.

Lol. Truth is stranger than fiction indeed. XD

[New Werpland]

I don't see how that's immoral or how that would extend the war longer than as much as Assad has been able to achieve on his own.

She wants to destabilize the region to make it a repeat of Libya. Wikileaks already released the email where she said the government needs to come down because Israel doesn't like it.

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328

The rebels in Syria are backed by Turkey and Saudi Arabia, and number Al-Qaeda (whom both states support in Syria) among their ranks; if they gain control, the state will change from a secular one, into a Islamist nightmare.

http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/sy ... ead-world/

First of all I doubt the plan she's proposing there is still possible with Turkey being as it is right now (kowtowing to Putin and pulling out of Syria).

Second, getting rid of Assad is a noble goal. He's a tyrant, and I see no convincing argument for Iran wielding influence over Israel.

I know nothing about the Houthis.

They're moderate Muslims in Yemen fighting against Wahhabism (which recently massacred a convent of nuns there) and Saudi Arabia.

I know enough about them to know they aren't moderate.

[The East Marches]

This time we will be home by Christmas for sure.

I don't think we've even been home by Christmas.

You don't think Uncle Sam would ever lie to you do you?

[Occupied Deutschland]

This time we will be home by Christmas for sure.

I don't think we've even been home by Christmas.

Spanish-American War, i think?

In any case, I have a sneaking suspicion that unless there's more to this leak it's going to disappear into the ether of political history as the convention gets started. Seems weird to me that Wikileaks would send it out on a Friday, which is usually when political stories folks want to get buried go out so they get lost over the weekend break.

[Napkiraly]

This time we will be home by Christmas for sure.

I don't think we've even been home by Christmas.

Grenada?

[Napkiraly]

I don't think we've even been home by Christmas.

Spanish-American War, i think?

This as well.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I don't think we've even been home by Christmas.

You don't think Uncle Sam would ever lie to you do you?

Uncle Sam lies all the fucking time.

I don't think we've even been home by Christmas.

Spanish-American War, i think?

In any case, I have a sneaking suspicion that unless there's more to this leak it's going to disappear into the ether of political history as the convention gets started. Seems weird to me that Wikileaks would send it out on a Friday, which is usually when political stories folks want to get buried go out so they get lost over the weekend break.

Didn't think about the Spanish-American War, so we did it once

But yeah, I hope the Democrats keep screwing up. Hillary's defeat seems more likely daily.

[The Liberated Territories]

Not sure if it is a death blow but it might ruin Hillary's recent winning streak in the polls. We'll see.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I don't think we've even been home by Christmas.

Grenada?

>implying Grenada was anything more than live fire training

[Napkiraly]

Grenada?

>implying Grenada was anything more than live fire training

Still counts.

[Individual Concerns]

There is no explanation, nor excuse for supporting her.

Actually, it goes something like this.

I really dug how Woodrow Wilson pulled a Palpatine and shitcanned a libertarian Republic for an imperialist bureaucracy that insinuates itself incestuously inside industry, manipulating markets for everyones interests but yours, and otherwise ignores or interferes with everyone equally. Unless you fall within the special interest flavor of the month, and are showered with gold or shit depending upon whether your particular badge falls under protected or persecuted status.

So, I am hoping Hillary, a self-professed Progressive of the original Roosevelt school, will do something magical for the early twenty-first century, take the next step to finally usher in the apocalypse utopia.

[Spiffier]

First of all I doubt the plan she's proposing there is still possible with Turkey being as it is right now (kowtowing to Putin and pulling out of Syria).

Second, getting rid of Assad is a noble goal. He's a tyrant, and I see no convincing argument for Iran wielding influence over Israel.

Consider the alternative trajectory. Do you think if Assad goes, then Syria will become a Western-style democracy with religious freedom? Do you think the people Saudi Arabia are supporting over there want that? They behead little boys on television, they kidnap nuns, they burn monasteries--these are the people who would be given control of the country in place of Assad. Assad is harsh, but he supports religious freedom.

I know enough about them to know they aren't moderate.

They sure as heck are compared to the people they're fighting.

[Thermodolia]

Why does Wikileaks want Trump to win?

Because hillary is such a bad candidate?

I'm not so sure that Wikileaks is doing it for the good of the people, the guy is wanted in Sweden for rape charges. Plus he's a big Ron/Rand fan.

[Gauthier]

Why does Wikileaks want Trump to win?

Wikileaks publishes anything they get, they don't give a fuck if it would literally start World War 3.

Russian hackers implicate Russia, who obviously want Trump to win because he wants to be bottom for Putin sempai and has ranted about pulling the U.S. out of NATO so that Russia can go Tartar over the former Soviet Satellites.

[The East Marches]

Because hillary is such a bad candidate?

I'm not so sure that Wikileaks is doing it for the good of the people, the guy is wanted in Sweden for rape charges. Plus he's a big Ron/Rand fan.

But Ron Paul is a good guy? "Muh freedums" and all that. Thats a big mark in my book even if I disagree with some of what he says.

[Cedoria]

I saw posts about this in the general election thread and primary thread but I couldn't find any other post anywhere else. I thought the corruption of Hillary Clinton, et al, was so severe and did result in the resignation of 2 DNC chairs and their reposting to the Clinton campaign in honour of their dedicated and corrupt service to Clinton as to warrant it's own thread.

I think this spells the doom of the DNC. We can never again have faith in the DNC. Imagine the games they would have pulled if Hillary was losing?

It's hardly surprising to me.

[Spiffier]

I'm not so sure that Wikileaks is doing it for the good of the people, the guy is wanted in Sweden for rape charges. Plus he's a big Ron/Rand fan.

But Ron Paul is a good guy? "Muh freedums" and all that. Thats a big mark in my book even if I disagree with some of what he says.

Ron Paul is a good guy, even if I think his politics are whack. His son, on the other hand, not so much.

[USS Monitor]

In fairness several GOP establishment members are fighting Trump. Though it is weird when Ted Cruz is the rational person in the room.

Yeah, I do have to give Ted Cruz some credit. As much as I dislike the guy, he was the only one with the balls to stay #NeverTrump.

He's still pissed about Trump talking shit about his wife and father. Of course, it's nice that he had enough integrity to do something about it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

But Ron Paul is a good guy? "Muh freedums" and all that. Thats a big mark in my book even if I disagree with some of what he says.

Ron Paul is a good guy, even if I think his politics are whack. His son, on the other hand, not so much.

Rand is a pretty good guy, he skipped the RNC to literally cure the blind

Pro-bono too IIRC.

[Gauthier]

Yeah, I do have to give Ted Cruz some credit. As much as I dislike the guy, he was the only one with the balls to stay #NeverTrump.

He's still pissed about Trump talking shit about his wife and father. Of course, it's nice that he had enough integrity to do something about it.

And then Trump's fanboys almost lynching his wife and father because he said "Fuck You" to Trump.