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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:42 am

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Pfft I haven't created an international incident in France in , in .... well since the trip i meet your mother. I am sure the war rents have come off the customs wall by now.

I have to be in preemptive mode, you're threatening a trip to Paris, after all.


Point taken, carry on.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:43 am

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Gallade wrote:Only if Geert gets his way, in your case.

Geert getting his way is a scary concept to behold, but I'm afraid I don't get it.


He will build a wall, probably contracting with galla's organization, it will be fabulous.
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Postby The balkens » Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:46 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Geert getting his way is a scary concept to behold, but I'm afraid I don't get it.


He will build a wall, probably contracting with galla's organization, it will be fabulous.


ill help build it.

have to keep the germans out, you know?

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When you're still feeling exhausted even after sleeping and have an essay due in 15 minutes... it's not even at the draft quality it needs to be.
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Postby Gallade » Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:47 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Geert getting his way is a scary concept to behold, but I'm afraid I don't get it.


He will build a wall, probably contracting with galla's organization, it will be fabulous.

Ohoohooo no, no more state projects. We're still in hostile talks with the city of London to be paid for the goddamn Olympic Stadium light fittings already.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:48 am

The balkens wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
He will build a wall, probably contracting with galla's organization, it will be fabulous.


ill help build it.

have to keep the germans out, you know?


If I remember correctly, someone already tried that, but made the mistake of assuming that an invading German army wouldn't just invade around it. Which, to be fair, isn't as ridiculous as I make it sound - very few nations use the "more wars" technique to resolve logistical and strategic impediments.
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Postby The balkens » Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:50 am

The Grim Reaper wrote:
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ill help build it.

have to keep the germans out, you know?


If I remember correctly, someone already tried that, but made the mistake of assuming that an invading German army wouldn't just invade around it. Which, to be fair, isn't as ridiculous as I make it sound - very few nations use the "more wars" technique to resolve logistical and strategic impediments.


The only reason why the Maginot lined failed is that Belgium pussed out of it.

That and the the french army was still recovering from ww1.

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Postby The Grim Reaper » Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:50 am

Gallade wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
He will build a wall, probably contracting with galla's organization, it will be fabulous.

Ohoohooo no, no more state projects. We're still in hostile talks with the city of London to be paid for the goddamn Olympic Stadium light fittings already.


Well, I'm not suggesting I need to be paid off for PR purposes, but the only thing I remember of the London Olympics is how the lighting fixtures were merely adequate. That, and Rowan Atkinson's...100m men's world record? Lighting the torch? Cricket commentary? Something like that.
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Postby Gallade » Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:51 am

The Grim Reaper wrote:
The balkens wrote:
ill help build it.

have to keep the germans out, you know?


If I remember correctly, someone already tried that, but made the mistake of assuming that an invading German army wouldn't just invade around it. Which, to be fair, isn't as ridiculous as I make it sound - very few nations use the "more wars" technique to resolve logistical and strategic impediments.

We don't speak of the Maginot Line, shhh.
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Postby The balkens » Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:53 am

Gallade wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:
If I remember correctly, someone already tried that, but made the mistake of assuming that an invading German army wouldn't just invade around it. Which, to be fair, isn't as ridiculous as I make it sound - very few nations use the "more wars" technique to resolve logistical and strategic impediments.

We don't speak of the Maginot Line, shhh.

Blame Belgium.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIWZuNewo9w

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Postby Gallade » Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:54 am

The balkens wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:
If I remember correctly, someone already tried that, but made the mistake of assuming that an invading German army wouldn't just invade around it. Which, to be fair, isn't as ridiculous as I make it sound - very few nations use the "more wars" technique to resolve logistical and strategic impediments.


The only reason why the Maginot lined failed is that Belgium pussed out of it.

That and the the french army was still recovering from ww1.

In fairness to Narnia it wasn't its fault that Hitler gave zero shits about the inviolability of neutrality. Should the Maginot line been extended to the British Channel, probably, but invading a neutral nation was until that point largely unthinkable.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:55 am

Gallade wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:
If I remember correctly, someone already tried that, but made the mistake of assuming that an invading German army wouldn't just invade around it. Which, to be fair, isn't as ridiculous as I make it sound - very few nations use the "more wars" technique to resolve logistical and strategic impediments.

We don't speak of the Maginot Line, shhh.


As someone who has only ever lived in island nations (and also the UAE, but I was in my infancy and was not consulted on that particular residency arrangement), I feel no remorse for bringing up the many futile attempts at building walls, lines, and fortified alpines across the world.

The Great Wall of China? Pah, you can't even see it from space. Trump's Wall? Pah, he's putting a door in it. Hadrian's Wall? Pah, the barbarians have Trident now. Stonewall? Pah, his side lost. The Swiss Alps? Pah, independent London shall crush their banks.
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Postby Abserdia » Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:56 am

The Serbian Empire wrote:Does Baertschi sound like a rejected Pokémon?

Um... no?
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Postby The balkens » Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:57 am

Gallade wrote:
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The only reason why the Maginot lined failed is that Belgium pussed out of it.

That and the the french army was still recovering from ww1.

In fairness to Narnia it wasn't its fault that Hitler gave zero shits about the inviolability of neutrality. Should the Maginot line been extended to the British Channel, probably, but invading a neutral nation was until that point largely unthinkable.


It should have been thinkable. considering the Germans performed the SAME maneuver as according to the schlieffen plan, but that didnt count on British intervention, as the war plan was a rather old one. Shouldve came up with a more updated plan in order to keep the british out.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:58 am

Gallade wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:
If I remember correctly, someone already tried that, but made the mistake of assuming that an invading German army wouldn't just invade around it. Which, to be fair, isn't as ridiculous as I make it sound - very few nations use the "more wars" technique to resolve logistical and strategic impediments.

We don't speak of the Maginot Line, shhh.

They took a different route and went around it!

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The Serbian Empire wrote:Does Baertschi sound like a rejected Pokémon?

Um... no?

Does it sound like a NHL sniper drafted by the Calgary Flames?
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Postby Gallade » Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:59 am

The balkens wrote:
Gallade wrote:In fairness to Narnia it wasn't its fault that Hitler gave zero shits about the inviolability of neutrality. Should the Maginot line been extended to the British Channel, probably, but invading a neutral nation was until that point largely unthinkable.


It should have been thinkable. considering the Germans performed the SAME maneuver as according to the schlieffen plan, but that didnt count on British intervention, as the war plan was a rather old one. Shouldve came up with a more updated plan in order to keep the british out.

But WWI tactics are hip and happening.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:01 am

The Grim Reaper wrote:
Gallade wrote:Ohoohooo no, no more state projects. We're still in hostile talks with the city of London to be paid for the goddamn Olympic Stadium light fittings already.


Well, I'm not suggesting I need to be paid off for PR purposes, but the only thing I remember of the London Olympics is how the lighting fixtures were merely adequate. That, and Rowan Atkinson's...100m men's world record? Lighting the torch? Cricket commentary? Something like that.

The fittings were dreadful, all the light got out.
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The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

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Postby Gallade » Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:02 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:
Well, I'm not suggesting I need to be paid off for PR purposes, but the only thing I remember of the London Olympics is how the lighting fixtures were merely adequate. That, and Rowan Atkinson's...100m men's world record? Lighting the torch? Cricket commentary? Something like that.

The fittings were dreadful, all the light got out.

We will bury you.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:03 am

Gallade wrote:
The balkens wrote:
The only reason why the Maginot lined failed is that Belgium pussed out of it.

That and the the french army was still recovering from ww1.

In fairness to Narnia it wasn't its fault that Hitler gave zero shits about the inviolability of neutrality. Should the Maginot line been extended to the British Channel, probably, but invading a neutral nation was until that point largely unthinkable.


Not to that pesky kaiser, and to think we named a bread product after him.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:04 am

The balkens wrote:
Gallade wrote:In fairness to Narnia it wasn't its fault that Hitler gave zero shits about the inviolability of neutrality. Should the Maginot line been extended to the British Channel, probably, but invading a neutral nation was until that point largely unthinkable.


It should have been thinkable. considering the Germans performed the SAME maneuver as according to the schlieffen plan, but that didnt count on British intervention, as the war plan was a rather old one. Shouldve came up with a more updated plan in order to keep the british out.


In my educated opinion, drawing from years of university education, I blame the French media for not doing their part in producing a pro-Maginot narrative and pan-Benelux communal identity, which could have been done by utilizing focus groups to test the effectiveness of various semiotic devices.

Drawing from my uneducated opinion, and a basic knowledge of logic, I have a feeling that's not quite the best way of going around it. I don't really see how Belgium could have participated in building the Maginot Line without giving up what was probably the only real military advantage they had (the only winning move is not to play). If I were in the Belgian position, though, I would have really liked the Maginot Line to stretch to the Channel - it might have kept the Germans busy ramming into Alsace instead of spending the effort on Belgium just to hit more Maginot.
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Postby The balkens » Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:04 am

Gallade wrote:
The balkens wrote:
It should have been thinkable. considering the Germans performed the SAME maneuver as according to the schlieffen plan, but that didnt count on British intervention, as the war plan was a rather old one. Shouldve came up with a more updated plan in order to keep the british out.

But WWI tactics are hip and happening.


That Italians thought that and faced the full might of American firepower at sicily and southern Italy, as well as Africa.
The Japanese worked around the INSANELY dumb idea of Decisive battle (based upon the 1905 war against the russians).

The russians back in the winter war, however, had to make shit up to stalin in order to justify the EXTREME casualties the red army was facing due to Trenches being filled with angry and irate finns.

against Finland.

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Postby The balkens » Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:06 am

The Grim Reaper wrote:
The balkens wrote:
It should have been thinkable. considering the Germans performed the SAME maneuver as according to the schlieffen plan, but that didnt count on British intervention, as the war plan was a rather old one. Shouldve came up with a more updated plan in order to keep the british out.


In my educated opinion, drawing from years of university education, I blame the French media for not doing their part in producing a pro-Maginot narrative and pan-Benelux communal identity, which could have been done by utilizing focus groups to test the effectiveness of various semiotic devices.

Drawing from my uneducated opinion, and a basic knowledge of logic, I have a feeling that's not quite the best way of going around it. I don't really see how Belgium could have participated in building the Maginot Line without giving up what was probably the only real military advantage they had (the only winning move is not to play). If I were in the Belgian position, though, I would have really liked the Maginot Line to stretch to the Channel - it might have kept the Germans busy ramming into Alsace instead of spending the effort on Belgium just to hit more Maginot.


Still the same outcome, i believe. The allies probably had to buy time somehow, and that was the best they could do.

Hell, France had quality tanks at the start of the war.
So way to go france, you were ahead of the germans.
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Postby Auremena » Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:09 am

Gallade wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:The fittings were dreadful, all the light got out.
We will bury you.
In darkness, apparently.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:11 am

The balkens wrote:But WWI tactics are hip and happening.

That Italians thought that and faced the full might of American firepower at sicily and southern Italy, as well as Africa.
The Japanese worked around the INSANELY dumb idea of Decisive battle (based upon the 1905 war against the russians).

The russians back in the winter war, however, had to make shit up to stalin in order to justify the EXTREME casualties the red army was facing due to Trenches being filled with angry and irate finns.

against Finland.


Decisive battle was a doctrine that was, unfortunately, developed through a fundamental error in the Japanese view of geopolitics. That is, the idea of a homogenous Europe. They knew that, like all the European powers, Russia was an unattainable goal for the Asian regional powers to compete with. So they gave it a shot anyway.

It only took one offensive to basically total the Russian fleet in Asia - it really was decisive, because Russia has never been a particular naval power, and certainly not based out of Port Sweetfuckall, Kamchatska. The Japanese did not quite realise that the USA, however, could not physically fit the entirity of their navy in the Pacific into Pearl Harbour. Also, most of the ships that they did sink were sort of just shrugged off and reanimated like gigantic metal zombies.

And then Japanese industry really couldn't keep up with an America that was somewhat larger, and also less susceptible to firebombing. Also, it had the atomic bomb near the end, and really fucking angry Russians who were nominally on their side, just as a sort of shit icing on the death cake.
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