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I hereby grant you title of 1st ranger of the band of the shitlords. You shall serve your days on the frontlines fighting the worst of the edgelords till you die.


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Postby Minoa » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:40 pm

The internet has already become a true wild west, but it is already too late to try censoring the Internet because of its sheer influence. At the same time, however, it is clear that the Internet is a very hostile place now, especially with the ability to fall victim to ransomware just by visiting any website.

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Postby Talvezout » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:42 pm

Minoa wrote:The internet has already become a true wild west, but it is already too late to try censoring the Internet because of its sheer influence. At the same time, however, it is clear that the Internet is a very hostile place now, especially with the ability to fall victim to ransomware just by visiting any website.

If I was a government policy maker, my stance would be:
Avoid all but essential use of the Internet, unless you are fully aware of how to mitigate the critical security risks.

Do not use personal information on social networks at all.


Which is it how it all used to be a bit back, what with all don't post your info on the internet ago.

With the topic on hand, I only found out who Milo is from some Catholicism thread on reddit, so I've got no opinion really.

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Postby Oskary » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:50 pm

From what I've seen, Leslie was already receiving online abuse for at least a few hours before Milo turned up. They exchanged a few tweets, with him telling her that everyone gets hate online, and that her role in Ghostbusters was terrible. I have yet to see actual evidence of Milo inciting harassment. He's not responsible for what his fans do, either. The abuse Leslie appears to have received was largely alt-right crowds harassing her before he showed up, most of whom are probably not supporters of Milo. Also Leslie was not particularly mature for a grown adult.
So I'm going with #FreeMilo
(Haven't read through this whole thread, too little time and too much content)
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Postby Isyrannaea » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:26 pm

I heavily disagree with Twitters' decision, but Twitter is a private website and reserves the right to ban a user if found in violation of its Terms of Service.
Please ignore my old posts.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:01 am

Oskary wrote:From what I've seen, Leslie was already receiving online abuse for at least a few hours before Milo turned up. They exchanged a few tweets, with him telling her that everyone gets hate online, and that her role in Ghostbusters was terrible. I have yet to see actual evidence of Milo inciting harassment. He's not responsible for what his fans do, either. The abuse Leslie appears to have received was largely alt-right crowds harassing her before he showed up, most of whom are probably not supporters of Milo. Also Leslie was not particularly mature for a grown adult.
So I'm going with #FreeMilo
(Haven't read through this whole thread, too little time and too much content)


Problem is, even with a few tweets, he fanned those flames, and directly insulted her. He's been suspended for similar things in the past. He went there anyway, violated their terms of service by participating in what appeared to be targeted harassment of a single individual, and got his account deleted for it. It's no different from when someone gets banned from NSG for similar nonsense; it's just a larger audience.

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"me no like free speech :^(("

Mate, are you for real?
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Postby Dagashi Shojo » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:29 am

Memell wrote:
Apollinis wrote:One of the great tragedies of the Internet is the spread of the belief that simply because it's possible for you to speak your mind on a topic, you should.


"me no like free speech :^(("

Mate, are you for real?


Free speech is not being censored or having to fear government retaliation. It doesn't mean a private company has to host bullshit.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:32 am

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So in the event she had been injured or killed you'd argue that he should not be banned for incitement.


Did I say that? If she was killed, then the perpetrator would be arrested, and Milo probably investigated, and maybe rightfully so. Furthermore, when BLM inspires people on Twitter to kill cops, people like you stay silent.

Why? Because you're a self loathing hypocrite.


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For the record, I would have accepted 'hypocrite' as part of the argument (that's not a statement of agreement with the characterisation, merely a note that it's not an actionable observation); it's the 'self-loathing' that tipped it over into actionable.

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Postby CoraSpia » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:35 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Oskary wrote:From what I've seen, Leslie was already receiving online abuse for at least a few hours before Milo turned up. They exchanged a few tweets, with him telling her that everyone gets hate online, and that her role in Ghostbusters was terrible. I have yet to see actual evidence of Milo inciting harassment. He's not responsible for what his fans do, either. The abuse Leslie appears to have received was largely alt-right crowds harassing her before he showed up, most of whom are probably not supporters of Milo. Also Leslie was not particularly mature for a grown adult.
So I'm going with #FreeMilo
(Haven't read through this whole thread, too little time and too much content)


Problem is, even with a few tweets, he fanned those flames, and directly insulted her. He's been suspended for similar things in the past. He went there anyway, violated their terms of service by participating in what appeared to be targeted harassment of a single individual, and got his account deleted for it. It's no different from when someone gets banned from NSG for similar nonsense; it's just a larger audience.

The thing is, twitter is slightly bigger than nsg. When twitter goes on a banning run, prominent people won't jump ship. People have jumped ship from NS when the mods here have acted unreasonably.
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Postby Oskary » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:55 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Oskary wrote:From what I've seen, Leslie was already receiving online abuse for at least a few hours before Milo turned up. They exchanged a few tweets, with him telling her that everyone gets hate online, and that her role in Ghostbusters was terrible. I have yet to see actual evidence of Milo inciting harassment. He's not responsible for what his fans do, either. The abuse Leslie appears to have received was largely alt-right crowds harassing her before he showed up, most of whom are probably not supporters of Milo. Also Leslie was not particularly mature for a grown adult.
So I'm going with #FreeMilo
(Haven't read through this whole thread, too little time and too much content)


Problem is, even with a few tweets, he fanned those flames, and directly insulted her. He's been suspended for similar things in the past. He went there anyway, violated their terms of service by participating in what appeared to be targeted harassment of a single individual, and got his account deleted for it. It's no different from when someone gets banned from NSG for similar nonsense; it's just a larger audience.

I'm inclined to disagree, a few insults online does not equal an incitement to harass someone en-masse, so I don't agree that he violated the ToS. Telling Leslie that her movie is bad and that she is 'fat' or a 'man' is nowhere near as severe as the people comparing her to Harambe the gorilla. I believe that it was the initial alt-right swarm that made the comparison, with Milo telling her that she is not unique for receiving hate online and that she was illiterate (She appears to be, tbh).

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:56 am

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Nariterrr wrote:Yeah, that's like calling being Black Cancer or being Muslim Cancer. It's wrong. It's not allowed.

No matter what one says, calling a massive group cancer is a fast way to get booted out of a social media site.


To be fair he didn't call feminists cancer.
He held an open poll asking which people would prefer their child have, cancer or feminism, and cancer won.
So he implied feminism was worse than cancer, and a majority of respondents agreed with him.

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The entire incident is being blown out of proportion by Milo fans to be honest.

If Milo would have kept within the rules of conduct, his Twitter account wouldn't have been banned.


Where did he break the rules of conduct, which tweets?

I also think you're either being purposefully disingenuous or aren't aware of Twitters pro-soc jus bias.
It isn't breaking their rules that got him banned, or there'd be plenty of other bans being handed out. It's his politics. It's as absurd as if the US government up and decided to arrest a politician for taking money from corporations in campaign funds and acted outraged. Nobody is fooled, and the only people repeating the line are either lying, or ignorant of the game.

What's worse is, Milo doesn't appear to have actually broken the rules. They're just repeating that he has big lie style.

What's more interesting is trying to figure out why companies behave this way, and the answer is because of advertising and our cultural and media bias towards social justice ideologies and feminism.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:57 am

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Problem is, even with a few tweets, he fanned those flames, and directly insulted her. He's been suspended for similar things in the past. He went there anyway, violated their terms of service by participating in what appeared to be targeted harassment of a single individual, and got his account deleted for it. It's no different from when someone gets banned from NSG for similar nonsense; it's just a larger audience.

The thing is, twitter is slightly bigger than nsg. When twitter goes on a banning run, prominent people won't jump ship. People have jumped ship from NS when the mods here have acted unreasonably.


First, Milo seems to think that people will jump ship, and second, they're not the only social media platform out there.

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Postby Conservative poster » Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:00 am

Arkinesia wrote:Let's get a couple things straight: you do not have freedom of speech on private platforms. That's not how speech works.

Yiannopoulos wasn't banned for “being a dick” or some other vagary like that. He was banned because he was inciting hate by slandering Leslie Jones. This isn't complicated: if you post an edited, fake tweet and claim it is real, twitter will probably smack you. Because that's a violation of the terms of service.

On a more silly note, oh boo hoo, isn't it a shame that the alt-right's “one gay friend” isn't on twitter anymore? :roll:

So your saying he should be held accountable for what others did?
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I expect that if Twitter was open about banning him because they don't like him it would be different. It's the attempt to pretend he broke their ToS that annoys them, because it means Twitter is happy to take conservative and anti-feminist peoples customs until they become an actual threat.

For instance, gay bakery incident.
If the baker had said "i refuse to serve this person because they were abusive to me." it would be very different. It's the disingenuousness and knowingly doing something wrong that they can't publically admit that makes it different.

Twitter is behaving worse than the homophobic bakers, and they know it, which is why they feel the need to lie about what they are doing.

"i refuse to serve gay people wedding cakes."
-> Gay people and their allies stop shopping there.

"i refused to serve this perosn because they were abusive to me."
-> Can continue to surrepticiously deny to sell gay people wedding cakes while conning them out of other custom, and allies will continue to shop there.


So it goes with Milo.

Twitter should just admit they banned him because they've fallen in with feminist ideology.

In addition, noone has proposed changing the law or legally enforcing twitter to accept milo.

So your comparison is utter nonsense.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:08 am

Is everything a massive feminist conspiracy these days or something?
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Vassenor wrote:Is everything a massive feminist conspiracy these days or something?

no its just people think of 3rd wave feminism as useless and cancerous
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Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Oskary wrote:From what I've seen, Leslie was already receiving online abuse for at least a few hours before Milo turned up. They exchanged a few tweets, with him telling her that everyone gets hate online, and that her role in Ghostbusters was terrible. I have yet to see actual evidence of Milo inciting harassment. He's not responsible for what his fans do, either. The abuse Leslie appears to have received was largely alt-right crowds harassing her before he showed up, most of whom are probably not supporters of Milo. Also Leslie was not particularly mature for a grown adult.
So I'm going with #FreeMilo
(Haven't read through this whole thread, too little time and too much content)


Problem is, even with a few tweets, he fanned those flames, and directly insulted her. He's been suspended for similar things in the past. He went there anyway, violated their terms of service by participating in what appeared to be targeted harassment of a single individual, and got his account deleted for it. It's no different from when someone gets banned from NSG for similar nonsense; it's just a larger audience.


How did he fan the flames?

So what if he directly insulted her. He's been suspended accused of similar things in the past.

If the milo standard were consistent, why do feminist and anti-racist campaigns of a similar nature get a free pass when hounding people?
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Postby Minzerland » Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:11 am

Vassenor wrote:Is everything a massive feminist conspiracy these days or something?

No. It's the patriarchy.
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Postby Oskary » Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:12 am

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Vassenor wrote:Is everything a massive feminist conspiracy these days or something?

No. It's the patriarchy.

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