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Postby Euro Asian Republics » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:34 pm

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The Grene Knyght wrote:You sound like you immediately believed that without question. Can you post anything Leslie Jones said that was racist?
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Here are the links to Leslie Jones' intentionally racist comments in case you guys decide to ignore them again.
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Postby Romakivila » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:36 pm

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Here are the links to Leslie Jones' intentionally racist comments in case you guys decide to ignore them again.

She's black, she can't be racist.
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Postby Arcipelago » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:37 pm

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Arcipelago wrote:Milo is snide in an honest way and that's why people love him. You can't handle the truth and neither could Leslie Jones


The truth is that she's male

The truth is that she's a gorilla

That's the hill you want to die on, here?

Corrected your punctuation and I don't own a grave plot yet so how much will it cost? Anyways I'm pretty sure he didn't say that and he is being honest, unless you want to force her into proving her sex?
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:37 pm

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Here are the links to Leslie Jones' intentionally racist comments in case you guys decide to ignore them again.


As a white gurl, I'm laughing my ass off after reading that.

See, thats humor.
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Postby Arcipelago » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:38 pm

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Euro Asian Republics wrote:Here are the links to Leslie Jones' intentionally racist comments in case you guys decide to ignore them again.

She's black, she can't be racist.

I think this guy is being sarcastic, but based on the nation not so sure
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Postby Nerotysia » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:39 pm

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:As a white gurl, I'm laughing my ass off after reading that.

See, thats humor.

Almost everything "racist" or "sexist" from Milo that I've seen has similarly been humor. But I'm still hoping someone will substantiate the NYT article.

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Postby Romakivila » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:39 pm

Arcipelago wrote:
Romakivila wrote:She's black, she can't be racist.

I think this guy is being sarcastic, but based on the nation not so sure

That was sarcasm.

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Euro Asian Republics wrote:Here are the links to Leslie Jones' intentionally racist comments in case you guys decide to ignore them again.


As a white gurl, I'm laughing my ass off after reading that.

See, thats humor.

Clearly, this must mean you're a self hating white girl.

Me and you must have a different opinion on what's humorous.
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Postby Arcipelago » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:40 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Raventsvo wrote:What are you trying to say?


That having a fetish for people of a certain race doesn't mean that you see them as equals. Plenty of white racists have slept with black women, but that didn't mean that they respected them, or saw them as equals. The idea of the geisha or the dragon lady turns on numerous men, but it doesn't mean that they see them as anything but sex objects.

How do you know about all this? Sounds like you're hanging around with a bad crowd 8)
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:41 pm

Arcipelago wrote:Milo is fabulous and hilarious.

No, not really.

George Takei is fabulous and hilarious.
Milo is a diva who thinks being a douchebro makes him a satirist.

Arcipelago wrote:Milo said to Leslie Jones 'It's not racist to point out that a movie f***ing sucks'. :lol:

He said a lot of other things, but I suppose I can't fault you for cherry-picking for his sake.

Arcipelago wrote:I heard this was the basic plot of the Ghostbusters

So how did the cast not expect to be trolled after a funnily bad attempt to appeal to feminazis?

So, you didn't actually see the movie, but you take a meme's "summary" of it at face value?
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:42 pm

Romakivila wrote:
Euro Asian Republics wrote:Here are the links to Leslie Jones' intentionally racist comments in case you guys decide to ignore them again.

She's black, she can't be racist.


It's not like she's advocating white people be barred from doing things or segregated or whatever. These come off as poor attempts at humor more than anything, to me, at the very least.
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:43 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pW20lMoWMU

So apparently this person is enough of a big shot to get interviewed by CNBC.
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Postby Romakivila » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:43 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Romakivila wrote:She's black, she can't be racist.


It's not like she's advocating white people be barred from doing things or segregated or whatever. These come off as poor attempts at humor more than anything, to me, at the very least.

I'm fairly positive that Milo doesn't want segregation for fairly obvious reasons.
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Postby Arachno-Satinism » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:44 pm

Euro Asian Republics wrote:

Here are the links to Leslie Jones' intentionally racist comments in case you guys decide to ignore them again.

I'm not seeing the point.
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Postby Memell » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:45 pm

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He is this guy. Look, it's happening. The fact the left totally gave up pretences on reality, so the right gather everything. But it's happening and twitter's gesticulations can do nothing to stop that.

The right has also given up on reality. While the left is acting pretty fucking retarded, the right is being pretty fucking retarded as well. Whew, what a time to be alive.

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Postby Nerotysia » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:45 pm

Saiwania wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pW20lMoWMU

So apparently this person is enough of a big shot to get interviewed by CNBC.

Yea. Haven't you heard of Milo before? He's a pretty - er - strident character.

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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:47 pm

Romakivila wrote:
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As a white gurl, I'm laughing my ass off after reading that.

See, thats humor.

Clearly, this must mean you're a self hating white girl.

Me and you must have a different opinion on what's humorous.


Me, unlike you, have this thing. Its called 'The Ability To Laugh At Myself.'
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:47 pm

Nerotysia wrote:Yea. Haven't you heard of Milo before? He's a pretty - er - strident character.


No, I really haven't. I'm one of these people who lives under a rock about certain things.
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Postby Romakivila » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:47 pm

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Romakivila wrote:
Clearly, this must mean you're a self hating white girl.

Me and you must have a different opinion on what's humorous.


Me, unlike you, have this thing. Its called 'The Ability To Laugh At Myself.'

I think it's obvious I don't laugh.
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Postby Arcipelago » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:49 pm

Liriena wrote:
Arcipelago wrote:Milo is fabulous and hilarious.

No, not really.

George Takei is fabulous and hilarious.
Milo is a diva who thinks being a douchebro makes him a satirist.

Arcipelago wrote:Milo said to Leslie Jones 'It's not racist to point out that a movie f***ing sucks'. :lol:

He said a lot of other things, but I suppose I can't fault you for cherry-picking for his sake.

Arcipelago wrote:I heard this was the basic plot of the Ghostbusters

So how did the cast not expect to be trolled after a funnily bad attempt to appeal to feminazis?

So, you didn't actually see the movie, but you take a meme's "summary" of it at face value?

Well obviously you haven't seen this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YUjIJI2gFg *slightly inappropriate warning
His account was deleted and most news just covers Leslie Jones tweets for some unknown reason
I heard the movie was okay, but sorta messed up by the attempts to appeal to feminists. The ones with men were better no surprise :p
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:50 pm

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As this abuse was occurring long before the film was even released, I have a hard time believing that any of the people harassing her even saw it. This also eliminates the "She got abuse for being in a bad movie" line. Even then, though, while criticism is fine, misgendering her and comparing her to a gorilla is not.

I find it stunning that people are interpreting this as film criticism, when nearly every tweet was either about her looks (often expressed in racist terms), or her physicality. Let's not pretend that this had anything to do with the movie itself, okay? This had to do with little boys pissed that their childhoods had been "ruined forever" because a director dared to cast a remake with a distaff cast, and because the black lady didn't fit their preconceptions of what a black woman in film should look like. Milo was not content to simply criticize the film on its merits, but was happily engaging in bullshit woman-hating rhetoric for months before the release, in bitchy comments regarding the appearance of the women involved, and then decided to encourage the waves of abuse being sent towards one of the breakout starts of the film.

Well the movie put her in the spotlight and she got burned. But, she acts like all of this hate is so unexpected. And again Milo is snide and honest to what he sees and people like that. You can't expect any actor on a screen not to get critiqued on their looks. You act like an attack on one woman based on her looks is woman hating. When the directors probably chose her based on her looks as a black women who you know the rest. Milo is making fun of the fact that sexism in choosing all women for the main parts is fine, ugly women even better. If a all man main character show came out I bet you'd say they'd deserve the hate they got. That's the exact sexism Milo was being snide about.


Again: It's not that she was subjected to criticism. She's been on the standup scene for decades, and was heavily criticized for some of her SNL material. That comes with the territory. What she shouldn't have to put up with is massive racist trolling, or intentional misgendering due to the fact that she doesn't fit into a Hollywood box of what a female lead should look like. He's been doing this for months, implicitly encouraged his followers to do so by dismissing her criticism of the racist comments as not being able to handle "hate mail", and violated Twitter's TOS in the process. In combination with his previous two suspensions, that was enough to get him banned.

Your speculation regarding what I'd do if the situation were reversed shows that you don't understand my point: I am NEVER okay with racist trolling, nor am I okay with the encouragement of it, whether implied or explicit.

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Postby Liriena » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:58 pm

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That's not anti-racism. That's fetishism.

What are you trying to say?

There is such a thing as sexually objectifying an entire race, and it does not preclude being racist. All the contrary, it's a thing that tends to be rooted in racism.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:59 pm

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Postby Liriena » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:59 pm

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Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Melissa McCarthy is obese. Leslie Jones is not. She's muscular, no doubt, and solidly built, but she's not obese. Please actually know which person is being discussed before you attempt to add to the conversation.


She appears to me as at least slitghly obese. She's overweight, that's for sure. She definitely have some meat on her bones, it's like her body is actively fighting thin privilege.

Altho I tried to google her BMi, but couldn't find it on the first page so I concede that point. Sorry. She's not fat. She's perfectly healthy.

If you're trying to be funny, I suggest that, for the sake of avoiding unfortunate misunderstandings, you finish every post with an "/s"
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:00 pm

Unless Milo himself outright told his followers, "yes, go ahead and harass and insult Leslie Jones for me, she deserves everything she gets." I don't see it as having incited anything. It is Milo's fault what his followers do independently of him, how?

I think that what happened is that Twitter simply viewed it as too difficult to mass delete every account that was involved in this and they instead deleted Milo who served as a scapegoat. If you remove the messenger, the audience leaves with them. Twitter must've seen Milo as a thorn in their side and they waited and looked for an opportunity to remove him.
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Postby Nerotysia » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:04 pm

Saiwania wrote:No, I really haven't. I'm one of these people who lives under a rock about certain things.

Well welcome. He's a fascinating man.

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:He's been doing this for months, implicitly encouraged his followers to do so by dismissing her criticism of the racist comments as not being able to handle "hate mail",

Even this isn't a full quote or screencap, but I'll take it at face value. Dismissing her trolls is not encouraging them. I don't see how you can construe it as such.

Clearly, he thinks that this type of harassment is normal, and that she's exploiting hers for personal gain. How does that encourage the trolls, exactly? By minimizing their impact? Isn't that the #1 way to deal with trolls, minimize their impact by ignoring them?

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:and violated Twitter's TOS in the process.

When? Only thru the "hate mail" comment?

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