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Postby Arkinesia » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:03 pm

Let's get a couple things straight: you do not have freedom of speech on private platforms. That's not how speech works.

Yiannopoulos wasn't banned for “being a dick” or some other vagary like that. He was banned because he was inciting hate by slandering Leslie Jones. This isn't complicated: if you post an edited, fake tweet and claim it is real, twitter will probably smack you. Because that's a violation of the terms of service.

On a more silly note, oh boo hoo, isn't it a shame that the alt-right's “one gay friend” isn't on twitter anymore? :roll:
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Postby Raventsvo » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:05 pm

Also to anyone that calls Milo a racist; it's complicated, he says these things about immigration, yet he only sleeps with black guys.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:06 pm

*sigh* The Suppressiing of free speech is the first step towards a dictatorship.

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Postby Arcipelago » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:07 pm

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So, TL;DR, Milo says a movie sucks, a torrent of 14 years old kids get angry at that fat lady and it's his fault how...?

Look I just want to know at this point. This has to have a logic behind this.


No, Milo implicitly encouraged it by dismissing the harassment as "hate mail" that "everyone gets". This added to the frenzy, and Twitter seems to believe that it encouraged further harassment. This, in combination with previous tweets that he regarding her that referred to her as a man or attacked her for her looks, was enough to get him dinged for a TOS violation, and as he's already had two suspensions in the past, it was also enough for his account to be deleted.

Oh, and referring to her snidely as "that fat lady" doesn't help you make a case.

Milo is snide in an honest way and that's why people love him. You can't handle the truth and neither could Leslie Jones
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:07 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:*sigh* The Suppressiing of free speech is the first step towards a dictatorship.

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You heard it here first, folks. The act of banning people on a website is the first step towards dictatorship.

I mean, how can you not see the clear path?
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Postby Dameth » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:07 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
No, Milo implicitly encouraged it by dismissing the harassment as "hate mail" that "everyone gets". This added to the frenzy, and Twitter seems to believe that it encouraged further harassment. This, in combination with previous tweets that he regarding her that referred to her as a man or attacked her for her looks, was enough to get him dinged for a TOS violation, and as he's already had two suspensions in the past, it was also enough for his account to be deleted.

Oh, and referring to her snidely as "that fat lady" doesn't help you make a case.


Everyone get hate mails when in the public sphere, this lady is obese, both those statement are objectively true. Ghostbuster and its creator should be the topic of mockery, it is indeed the right anwser to the slap to the face it was.

But alright, thanks for confirming what I was thinking. Twitter wants to virtue signal, fine by me, let's see how far that kind of customer behaviour will get them - it's not a big deal anyway.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:08 pm

Very poor choice to censor him. I don't really agree with him. At all.

But mainstream social media sites shouldn't censor speech like that. It's pretty mild stuff.

There are black and white Supremacist twitter pages advocating "killing whitey" or "stomping the niggers" that are still around apparently unregulated.

Hell, I used to get death threats on there and the people got away scot free.

this is what lands him in trouble? This is barely anything!
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Postby Raventsvo » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:09 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:*sigh* The Suppressiing of free speech is the first step towards a dictatorship.

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Postby The Flutterlands » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:09 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:*sigh* The Suppressiing of free speech is the first step towards a dictatorship.

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You heard it here first, folks. The act of banning people on a website is the first step towards dictatorship.

I mean, how can you not see the clear path?

Alright. Maybe I used my words wrong. I'm mostly talking about how the Regressive Left have been acting up by censoring anything they don't agree with...

Or maybe I'm just being stupid... :oops:
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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:09 pm

Arkinesia wrote:Let's get a couple things straight: you do not have freedom of speech on private platforms. That's not how speech works.

Yiannopoulos wasn't banned for “being a dick” or some other vagary like that. He was banned because he was inciting hate by slandering Leslie Jones. This isn't complicated: if you post an edited, fake tweet and claim it is real, twitter will probably smack you. Because that's a violation of the terms of service.

On a more silly note, oh boo hoo, isn't it a shame that the alt-right's “one gay friend” isn't on twitter anymore? :roll:

Arkinesia, welcome to Cuckolds United :p

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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:10 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:*sigh* The Suppressiing of free speech is the first step towards a dictatorship.

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The government owns Twitter?

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Postby Saiwania » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:10 pm

Arkinesia wrote:Yiannopoulos wasn't banned for “being a dick” or some other vagary like that.


Only that is pretty much exactly what happened. It seems that it was his followers that were going after this celebrity.
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Postby Romakivila » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:10 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:*sigh* The Suppressiing of free speech is the first step towards a dictatorship.

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It's a private company, they've no obligation to uphold freedom of speech on their app. I mean it's stupid, but they can do what they want.
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Postby Benuty » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:11 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:*sigh* The Suppressiing of free speech is the first step towards a dictatorship.

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The absolutist takes of Benjamin Franklin do not apply in todays world.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:11 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
You heard it here first, folks. The act of banning people on a website is the first step towards dictatorship.

I mean, how can you not see the clear path?

Alright. Maybe I used my words wrong. I'm mostly talking about how the Regressive Left have been acting up by censoring anything they don't agree with...

Or maybe I'm just being stupid... :oops:


The enforcement of the rules are questionable, maybe. But if Twitter was run by hardcore adherents to "Radical SJW-ism" then half their userbase would be banned (especially the Donald).
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:12 pm

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No, it's not racist to point out that a movie sucks.

It is racist to dismiss massive racist trolling of a public figure as "hate mail" that "everyone gets". Following that, his followers subjected her to torrents of abuse, comparing her to a gorilla, repeatedly referring to her as male, and (from what I read), even invoking her dead brother in a constant barrage of hateful messages.

Well considering the movie was basically just one big troll maybe the people are just mad they wasted their money on it.
Oh goddamn public figures get abuse for playing in a bad movie, guess me admitting that fact makes me racist.
Obviously the abuse isn't right, but the world isn't nice and she acts like a baby and victim. Milo got banned because of an innocent comment and what is followers did. Is that fair?


As this abuse was occurring long before the film was even released, I have a hard time believing that any of the people harassing her even saw it. This also eliminates the "She got abuse for being in a bad movie" line. Even then, though, while criticism is fine, misgendering her and comparing her to a gorilla is not.

I find it stunning that people are interpreting this as film criticism, when nearly every tweet was either about her looks (often expressed in racist terms), or her physicality. Let's not pretend that this had anything to do with the movie itself, okay? This had to do with little boys pissed that their childhoods had been "ruined forever" because a director dared to cast a remake with a distaff cast, and because the black lady didn't fit their preconceptions of what a black woman in film should look like. Milo was not content to simply criticize the film on its merits, but was happily engaging in bullshit woman-hating rhetoric for months before the release, in bitchy comments regarding the appearance of the women involved, and then decided to encourage the waves of abuse being sent towards one of the breakout starts of the film.

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Postby Benuty » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:12 pm

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Arkinesia wrote:Let's get a couple things straight: you do not have freedom of speech on private platforms. That's not how speech works.

Yiannopoulos wasn't banned for “being a dick” or some other vagary like that. He was banned because he was inciting hate by slandering Leslie Jones. This isn't complicated: if you post an edited, fake tweet and claim it is real, twitter will probably smack you. Because that's a violation of the terms of service.

On a more silly note, oh boo hoo, isn't it a shame that the alt-right's “one gay friend” isn't on twitter anymore? :roll:

Arkinesia, welcome to Cuckolds United :p

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Postby The Flutterlands » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:12 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:*sigh* The Suppressiing of free speech is the first step towards a dictatorship.

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The government owns Twitter?

No. I... I just made a stupid comment. :oops:
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Raventsvo wrote:Also to anyone that calls Milo a racist; it's complicated, he says these things about immigration, yet he only sleeps with black guys.


That's not anti-racism. That's fetishism.

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Postby Jolet » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:13 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:*sigh* The Suppressiing of free speech is the first step towards a dictatorship.

"People who sacrifice freedoms for security deserve nither." -Benjamin Franklin


Hear that? It's John Locke, with a short message about the necessary price of operating within society.

Seriously, the tradeoff is a necessary part of functioning in society, when a person gives up their own rights of self-determination, self-rule and the like in order to join society. It's in the Second Treatise, chapter 6 or 7 if memory serves. Benny must've forgotten about that.

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Postby Benuty » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:13 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:The government owns Twitter?

No. I... I just made a stupid comment. :oops:

Another candidate in the brigade all shame can be hidden.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:13 pm

Arcipelago wrote:
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No, Milo implicitly encouraged it by dismissing the harassment as "hate mail" that "everyone gets". This added to the frenzy, and Twitter seems to believe that it encouraged further harassment. This, in combination with previous tweets that he regarding her that referred to her as a man or attacked her for her looks, was enough to get him dinged for a TOS violation, and as he's already had two suspensions in the past, it was also enough for his account to be deleted.

Oh, and referring to her snidely as "that fat lady" doesn't help you make a case.

Milo is snide in an honest way and that's why people love him. You can't handle the truth and neither could Leslie Jones

In many things he is right. In this instance he was 100% right. As most people of his kind are when it comes to feminism/BLM etc.

However, people have this tendency to confuse "snide and funny" with truth. And that can sometimes be a big mistake.
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Postby Arcipelago » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:14 pm

Benuty wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:*sigh* The Suppressiing of free speech is the first step towards a dictatorship.

"People who sacrifice freedoms for security deserve nither." -Benjamin Franklin

The absolutist takes of Benjamin Franklin do not apply in todays world.

Of course because people have changed so much in a few hundred years

But we know one thing never changes. War. War never changes
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The Flutterlands wrote:*sigh* The Suppressiing of free speech is the first step towards a dictatorship.

"People who sacrifice freedoms for security deserve nither." -Benjamin Franklin


First, that's a misquote. The line is "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." .

Second, this has nothing to do with free speech, as Twitter has specific terms of service that users are required to comply with, and Milo violated them.

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Raventsvo wrote:Also to anyone that calls Milo a racist; it's complicated, he says these things about immigration, yet he only sleeps with black guys.

What has he said about immigration? Nothing explicitly racist.
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