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Postby Amicy » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:31 pm

Milo did a review of the new Ghostbuster's movie. It is pretty damning. Here it is http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/1 ... stbusters/

Many people started abusing the movie and the stars. Blame Milo? Soooo totally wrong! @TheMiloShow #FreeMilo

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Postby Mericoa » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:31 pm

Freedom of speech is above your fucking feeling.
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:33 pm

Mericoa wrote:Freedom of speech is above your fucking feeling.

I thought private businesses could discriminate customers?

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:35 pm

Mericoa wrote:Freedom of speech is above your fucking feeling.


There is no more "Freedom of speech" on Twitter than there is on NationStates, and I think that an organized campaign of racist harassment against a public figure is something that business owners would understandably not want to have associated with their brand.

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Postby Dameth » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:35 pm

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Mericoa wrote:Freedom of speech is above your fucking feeling.

I thought private businesses could discriminate customers?


Discrimination is wrong regardless of who practice it. Just because it's private doesn't makes it right.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:36 pm

Oh well, Twitter is overrated personally, his fans are going to troll and harass even more now, if they were hoping to 'stop abuse' by banning him they're just most likely going to get more terror until they reinstate him.

Still I don't get it, twitter is stupid.
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Postby Pandeeria » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:36 pm

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Mericoa wrote:Freedom of speech is above your fucking feeling.

I thought private businesses could discriminate customers?


It's still nonetheless a cunt move to censor speech, even by a private business.
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Postby Katganistan » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:37 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Mericoa wrote:Freedom of speech is above your fucking feeling.

I thought private businesses could discriminate customers?


Freedom of speech only means that the US government cannot arrest or fine you for speaking out against it. Private citizens can tell you to fuck off. Businesses can fire you or refuse to serve you for what you say. And websites can ban you for violating their terms of service.

And if your speech shows a clear and present danger -- an incitement to riot or violence, or putting people in danger by causing a panic, yes, the government actually CAN arrest you. See the infamous "yelling fire in a theater" explanation.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequence.
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:40 pm

Dameth wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:I thought private businesses could discriminate customers?


Discrimination is wrong regardless of who practice it. Just because it's private doesn't makes it right.

Depends on the discrimination tbh. I discriminate against fascists and religious extremists for instance. Not to mention that businesses have always had some basis of allowed discrimination within the boundaries of the law. Cause a ruckus? Bye bye. Walk in naked? Bye bye.

Same goes with free speech. It has never, ever been totally free. Anti-libel and harassment laws all can or do limit ones free speech.

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Postby Arcipelago » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:40 pm

Milo is fabulous and hilarious. Milo said to Leslie Jones 'It's not racist to point out that a movie f***ing sucks'. :lol:

I heard this was the basic plot of the Ghostbusters
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So how did the cast not expect to be trolled after a funnily bad attempt to appeal to feminazis?
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Postby Patagonia Island » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:40 pm

Arcipelago wrote:Milo is fabulous and hilarious. Milo said to Leslie Jones 'It's not racist to point out that a movie f***ing sucks'. :lol:

I heard this was the basic plot of the Ghostbusters

And ghost vacuum thing to the nads...
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:42 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:I thought private businesses could discriminate customers?


It's still nonetheless a cunt move to censor speech, even by a private business.

I'm just pointing this glaring hypocrisy that much of the right has. See it's fine for a business to say 'Fuck off fags, niggers, and spics' but a travesty when they tell a conservative to fuck off.*


*Note: I'm perfectly aware of the left's own glaring hypocrisies.

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Postby Dameth » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:44 pm

Katganistan wrote:Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequence.


I just got a call for Trigglypuff and she said that she should be allowed to scream at Milo when he's on campus without being ejected by security. "This is freedom of speech", she said
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Postby Charmera » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:44 pm

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Napkiraly wrote:The right has also given up on reality. While the left is acting pretty fucking retarded, the right is being pretty fucking retarded as well. Whew, what a time to be alive.


The right always has been against the people. The right in general fights for the upper class, while historically, the left fought for the people. The fact the left totally abandon its mission statement is a gift to the right, and it will destroy countries.

So, when the tanks rolled in Hungary, Tienamen and when leftist governments instituted state purges of those with a different ideology, that was all for the people? Not to keep hold of power which benefited a few more than it did the many?

I'm by no means saying the right is faultless. But the left has not always been "for the people".

Trump is a retarded evil clown, and he's only popular because the left decided to destroy and humiliate their own constituancy, the workers and the poor in general, because at times they happen not to think like we'd like them to think. The left in the USA let pass the chance to gather with the Tea Party and deal a major popular blow to the government, and now it's trying to impede the internet, litterally cutting the branch on which they are sit.

Trump may be an moronic clown, and true some of his rise has been due to SJW mania, but don't act like this is by any means the end of the world. There have been crazier people in charge of nuclear powers.

Banning Milo was a hell of a mistake. Twitter should never have done that.

Not really. Neither milo nor Twitter will suffer much from it. In the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter much.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:49 pm

Arcipelago wrote:Milo is fabulous and hilarious. Milo said to Leslie Jones 'It's not racist to point out that a movie f***ing sucks'. :lol:

I heard this was the basic plot of the Ghostbusters


No, it's not racist to point out that a movie sucks.

It is racist to dismiss massive racist trolling of a public figure as "hate mail" that "everyone gets". Following that, his followers subjected her to torrents of abuse, comparing her to a gorilla, repeatedly referring to her as male, and (from what I read), even invoking her dead brother in a constant barrage of hateful messages.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:50 pm

TOTALITARIAN REGRESSIVE LEFT RAR RAR RAR

The man's an asshat, but hey, it's not like violating terms of use is a thing that right-wing celebrity commentators can do, nope, must be censorship on behalf of the cabal.
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:50 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:TOTALITARIAN REGRESSIVE LEFT RAR RAR RAR

The man's an asshat, but hey, it's not like violating terms of use is a thing that right-wing celebrity commentators can do, nope, must be censorship on behalf of the cabal.

The cuck cabal *nod*

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:53 pm

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Imperializt Russia wrote:TOTALITARIAN REGRESSIVE LEFT RAR RAR RAR

The man's an asshat, but hey, it's not like violating terms of use is a thing that right-wing celebrity commentators can do, nope, must be censorship on behalf of the cabal.

The cuck cabal *nod*

I'm still trying to get my head around Milo actually using the term "totalitarian repressive left" at all, let alone to describe Twitter's administration.

Like, that's a phrase that a satirist would use, to satirise right-wingers.
You can't parody right wingers anymore, because you can't tell the fucking difference.

And that's why the alt-right has ruined free speech.
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Postby Dameth » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:54 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Arcipelago wrote:Milo is fabulous and hilarious. Milo said to Leslie Jones 'It's not racist to point out that a movie f***ing sucks'. :lol:

I heard this was the basic plot of the Ghostbusters


No, it's not racist to point out that a movie sucks.

It is racist to dismiss massive racist trolling of a public figure as "hate mail" that "everyone gets". Following that, his followers subjected her to torrents of abuse, comparing her to a gorilla, repeatedly referring to her as male, and (from what I read), even invoking her dead brother in a constant barrage of hateful messages.


So, TL;DR, Milo says a movie sucks, a torrent of 14 years old kids get angry at that fat lady and it's his fault how...?

Look I just want to know at this point. This has to have a logic behind this.
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Postby Charmera » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:56 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:The cuck cabal *nod*

I'm still trying to get my head around Milo actually using the term "totalitarian repressive left" at all, let alone to describe Twitter's administration.

Like, that's a phrase that a satirist would use, to satirise right-wingers.
You can't parody right wingers anymore, because you can't tell the fucking difference.

And that's why the alt-right has ruined free speech.

One could say that any parody of any extreme is Indistinguishable from the extreme itself. Since parody is about exaggeration and these extremes are well... Extreme.
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Postby Vettrera » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:56 pm

So do we have a tally on how many posters in this thread falsely argued this violated Freedom of Speech?



I support the ban mainly because I think Milo's presence is a negative on Twitter as a platform, but of course the backlash that they will get for the move may outweigh the consequences of just ignoring it.
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Postby Vettrera » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:58 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:I thought private businesses could discriminate customers?


It's still nonetheless a cunt move to censor speech, even by a private business.

Nah when you become damaging to a company's brand, either as an employee or as a customer, you can definitely be censored with reason.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:01 pm

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Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
No, it's not racist to point out that a movie sucks.

It is racist to dismiss massive racist trolling of a public figure as "hate mail" that "everyone gets". Following that, his followers subjected her to torrents of abuse, comparing her to a gorilla, repeatedly referring to her as male, and (from what I read), even invoking her dead brother in a constant barrage of hateful messages.


So, TL;DR, Milo says a movie sucks, a torrent of 14 years old kids get angry at that fat lady and it's his fault how...?

Look I just want to know at this point. This has to have a logic behind this.


No, Milo implicitly encouraged it by dismissing the harassment as "hate mail" that "everyone gets". This added to the frenzy, and Twitter seems to believe that it encouraged further harassment. This, in combination with previous tweets that he regarding her that referred to her as a man or attacked her for her looks, was enough to get him dinged for a TOS violation, and as he's already had two suspensions in the past, it was also enough for his account to be deleted.

Oh, and referring to her snidely as "that fat lady" doesn't help you make a case.
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Postby Raventsvo » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:02 pm

He should not have been banned, no matter how self-centered and annoying he can be.
But serves him right for having a shitter account in the first place.
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Postby Arcipelago » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:03 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Arcipelago wrote:Milo is fabulous and hilarious. Milo said to Leslie Jones 'It's not racist to point out that a movie f***ing sucks'. :lol:

I heard this was the basic plot of the Ghostbusters


No, it's not racist to point out that a movie sucks.

It is racist to dismiss massive racist trolling of a public figure as "hate mail" that "everyone gets". Following that, his followers subjected her to torrents of abuse, comparing her to a gorilla, repeatedly referring to her as male, and (from what I read), even invoking her dead brother in a constant barrage of hateful messages.

Well considering the movie was basically just one big troll maybe the people are just mad they wasted their money on it.
Oh goddamn public figures get abuse for playing in a bad movie, guess me admitting that fact makes me racist.
Obviously the abuse isn't right, but the world isn't nice and she acts like a baby and victim. Milo got banned because of an innocent comment and what is followers did. Is that fair?
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