US GENERAL ELECTION MEGA-THREAD II: Clinton vs. Trump

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Alaska requested a recount of their votes.

[The Romulan Republic]

Warren has as much qualification as Obama did, more or less (resume-wise).

What makes you doubt her ability?

The only problem I have with Warren is that she hails from a state with a republican governor who would fill her seat with a republican as soon as she left.

Only until a special election that, while not a sure Democratic win, would likely be one.

In any case, I'm willing to risk one Senate seat for a stronger Presidential ticket.

Besides, the VP casts the tie-breaking vote in the Senate.

[Washington Resistance Army]

In the 1860's I would have been a republican.

Who wouldn't have been, besides secessionists and white supremacists?

You know, the people who are taking over the Republican Party now.

You need to stop with the hyperbole so much, I get you dislike Trump and all but the GOP is no more being taken over by white supremacists and secessionists (what does that even mean? the GOP isn't trying to dip out of the Union) than the Democratic Party is being taken over by communists.

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

CANT STUMP THE TRUMP

>tfw Hillary Clinton is going to Stump the Trump in the general.

>tfw her lead has been shrinking steadily and Trump has been gaining

Well this is interesting. Angry man contests the results from Alaska.

Can't stump Alaska.

[Thermodolia]

The only problem I have with Warren is that she hails from a state with a republican governor who would fill her seat with a republican as soon as she left.

Only until a special election that, while not a sure Democratic win, would likely be one.

In any case, I'm willing to risk one Senate seat for a stronger Presidential ticket.

Besides, the VP casts the tie-breaking vote in the Senate.

Very true

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well this is interesting. Angry man contests the results from Alaska.

I actually do find it good of them.

At least, if they're going to lose, let it be recorded that they didn't choose this.

[Valrifell]

Alaska requested a recount of their votes.

The thick plottens!

[Thermodolia]

Who wouldn't have been, besides secessionists and white supremacists?

You know, the people who are taking over the Republican Party now.

You need to stop with the hyperbole so much, I get you dislike Trump and all but the GOP is no more being taken over by white supremacists and secessionists (what does that even mean? the GOP isn't trying to dip out of the Union) than the Democratic Party is being taken over by communists.

Have you seen who the party nominated?

[Idzequitch]

Well this is interesting. Angry man contests the results from Alaska.

I actually do find it good of them.

At least, if they're going to lose, let it be recorded that they didn't choose this.

I was kind of hoping for more bombast than he gave us, but I agree. And what happened with Utah? Trump got creamed there, yet he was given all their delegates.

[Ngelmish]

I'm not thrilled with who Clinton has chosen to freeze out either, but I take it as a good sign that she's looking to qualifications over illusory political advantage.

She'll have to freeze out some qualified candidates. She must have considered them but people she can work with are going to come first.

I don't dispute that, but teasing various unaccomplished, empty suit candidates doesn't exactly inspire confidence. Of the people she's said to actually be considering, I'd be fine with most of them. It's her VP, after all, not mine.

Kaine certainly is. Booker is questionable. Warren really isn't. Other names that have been floated in different cases, well it varies. But so long as qualifications are a question, personalities and political appeal should take a rightful backseat. There aren't actually that many options she has that combine both traits well, but if she's not going to go for a combined appeal, then I'd prefer that she stick strictly to the first category.

And in that sense, Kaine and Vilsack (I'd pull slightly for Vilsack in that binary) are more than acceptable.

Booker is questionable?

His executive record is. It rests mainly on his tenure of mayor as Newark where even some of his allies thought he was more interested in celebrity politics than he was in granular policy approaches. I grant, it's debatable, that's why I called it questionable.

Kaine certainly is. Booker is questionable. Warren really isn't. Other names that have been floated in different cases, well it varies. But so long as qualifications are a question, personalities and political appeal should take a rightful backseat. There aren't actually that many options she has that combine both traits well, but if she's not going to go for a combined appeal, then I'd prefer that she stick strictly to the first category.

And in that sense, Kaine and Vilsack (I'd pull slightly for Vilsack in that binary) are more than acceptable.

Warren has as much qualification as Obama did, more or less (resume-wise).

What makes you doubt her ability?

The fact that there are other potential candidates who have both more executive experience than she does and more accomplished resumes of actually delivering progressive policy rather than merely advocating for it. Policy should come before politics, substance before symbols. Warren wouldn't be the worst choice Clinton could make, but she's near the bottom of my list and I would regard it as a form of insubstantial pandering towards progressive voters myself.

[The Romulan Republic]

I actually do find it good of them.

At least, if they're going to lose, let it be recorded that they didn't choose this.

I was kind of hoping for more bombast than he gave us, but I agree. And what happened with Utah? Trump got creamed there, yet he was given all their delegates.

I'm hoping this will help cost Trump Utah.

It'll be a glorious year if we can flip Utah of all places.

[Thermodolia]

I actually do find it good of them.

At least, if they're going to lose, let it be recorded that they didn't choose this.

I was kind of hoping for more bombast than he gave us, but I agree. And what happened with Utah? Trump got creamed there, yet he was given all their delegates.

Same thing that happened to DC i guess

[Washington Resistance Army]

You need to stop with the hyperbole so much, I get you dislike Trump and all but the GOP is no more being taken over by white supremacists and secessionists (what does that even mean? the GOP isn't trying to dip out of the Union) than the Democratic Party is being taken over by communists.

Have you seen who the party nominated?

I have, he's not a white supremacist. I don't like him but lets not make stupid shit up, there's plenty of legitimate stuff to attack him about.

[The Romulan Republic]

The fact that there are other potential candidates who have both more executive experience than she does and more accomplished resumes of actually delivering progressive policy rather than merely advocating for it. Policy should come before politics, substance before symbols. Warren wouldn't be the worst choice Clinton could make, but she's near the bottom of my list and I would regard it as a form of insubstantial pandering towards progressive voters myself.

That their may be others with longer resumes does not make her unqualified.

Do you doubt that she could do the job? If so, why?

[Thermodolia]

I was kind of hoping for more bombast than he gave us, but I agree. And what happened with Utah? Trump got creamed there, yet he was given all their delegates.

I'm hoping this will help cost Trump Utah.

It'll be a glorious year if we can flip Utah of all places.

Georgia, my home state, is in the leans Democratic category in all current polls.

[Ted Cruz 4 2016]

Well this is interesting. Angry man contests the results from Alaska.

Honestly, "what difference, at this point does it make?"

[Freefall11111]

Well this is interesting. Angry man contests the results from Alaska.

Honestly, "what difference, at this point does it make?"

No difference. It's all just for the entertainment at this point.

[Viadora]

Alaska requested a recount of their votes.

Ah yes, the critical battleground state of Alaska.

[New Jerzylvania]

Well this is interesting. Angry man contests the results from Alaska.

I actually do find it good of them.

At least, if they're going to lose, let it be recorded that they didn't choose this.

OTOH they sent Sarah Palin to be veep.

[Freefall11111]

Alaska requested a recount of their votes.

Ah yes, the critical battleground state of Alaska.

If it flips, maybe we could avoid the creation of any further Sarah Palins.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'm hoping this will help cost Trump Utah.

It'll be a glorious year if we can flip Utah of all places.

Georgia, my home state, is in the leans Democratic category in all current polls.

I've been hearing that a lot but all the polls I've seen barring one still have Trump winning by pretty fair margins (4-12 depending on the poll), seems strange to say it's Democrat-leaning.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Alaska requested a recount of their votes.

Ah yes, the critical battleground state of Alaska.

Well this is interesting. Angry man contests the results from Alaska.

I actually do find it good of them.

At least, if they're going to lose, let it be recorded that they didn't choose this.

[Thermodolia]

Alaska requested a recount of their votes.

Ah yes, the critical battleground state of Alaska.

Hey Alaska may become an actual critical battleground.

[New Jerzylvania]

Honestly, "what difference, at this point does it make?"

No difference. It's all just for the entertainment at this point.

Wrong. It pushes speakers out of prime time TV and lends havoc to their tight schedule in general. This matters and the chair is extremely pissed about the delay.

[The Romulan Republic]

Have you seen who the party nominated?

I have, he's not a white supremacist. I don't like him but lets not make stupid shit up, there's plenty of legitimate stuff to attack him about.

Do not claim or insinuate that I am a liar, or I will repay the favour in kind.

Trump may or may not be a full-blown white supremacist, though he is certainly racist, but he is willing to pander to them and attracts their support, and his victory would further embolden them and establish them as part of the political mainstream.

Do you deny this?

As to "secessionist", while seceding is not the policy of the Republican Party or of Trump (they'd much rather take over and pervert the country than leave it, for the most part), they do have quite a few secessionists and secessionism sympathizers among their ranks. Gov. Perry, I recall, even floated the idea of Texas seceding after Obama's victory in 2008.

The KKK, who's leadership supports Trump, is also a direct descendent of the Confederacy.

[Thermodolia]

Georgia, my home state, is in the leans Democratic category in all current polls.

I've been hearing that a lot but all the polls I've seen barring one still have Trump winning by pretty fair margins (4-12 depending on the poll), seems strange to say it's Democrat-leaning.

Still until we hit mid-August we both know that the polls mean shit.