US GENERAL ELECTION MEGA-THREAD II: Clinton vs. Trump

[Washington Resistance Army]

Hopefully the libertarians can pick up enough support and replace the GOP

YES. Unfortunately, as a national party they're a joke so they really need to change (at their convention a guy running for chairman stripped off his clothes...)

However, I'm supporting Johnson/Weld- I despise Trump but I also despise Hillary and think that they're virtually the same type of person just sucking up to different support groups.

Said guy was kicked from the party.

[The Romulan Republic]

I'd rather she not take her cues from the Trump campaign in any respect, personally.

I want her to pick someone who will inspire high turnout, and who can take on Trump and his nut jobs head on. Warren is the best, I think. I'd accept Martin O'Malley (though he doesn't seem to be in consideration), Bernie Sanders (unlikely as well), or even Corey Booker without much concern or complaint.

Kaine is, of the high profile options, one of the worst from what I've seen.

But the VP in and of themselves will not inspire statistically significant turnout. I mean, I suppose it could happen, but it would be essentially a first. And Clinton has been emphasizing, quite rightly in my opinion, that she's looking at who will be a good governing partner and be suited to the office of presidency in their own right before any political considerations. Only one of the names that you've mentioned there fills the first criteria in any serious way.

I'm not thrilled with who Clinton has chosen to freeze out either, but I take it as a good sign that she's looking to qualifications over illusory political advantage.

Oh, certainly she should pick someone who is qualified first and foremost.

However, as far as I know Kaine, Warren, Booker, etc. would all be qualified.

The question then becomes one of personalities, and political appeal.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

I know Democrats might be laughing because Hillary will probably win in a landslide but having a major party collapsing like this is going to hurt the political process and make it tougher for everyone. RIP GOP

I'm not laughing.

I consider this the worst political disaster to have befallen the United States in generations.

This is a time for grief. The Party of Lincoln has finally fully cemented its new status as the party of fascism and demented lunacy.

I am.

With no Conservative resistance to progress, America will get much further much quicker. Libertarians are a much better foe because its not the end of the world if they get elected, much like it is with the GOP.

[Ted Cruz 4 2016]

I know Democrats might be laughing because Hillary will probably win in a landslide but having a major party collapsing like this is going to hurt the political process and make it tougher for everyone. RIP GOP

I'm not laughing.

I consider this the worst political disaster to have befallen the United States in generations.

This is a time for grief. The Party of Lincoln has finally fully cemented its new status as the party of fascism and demented lunacy.

Well thank you for understanding how I feel, pretty tragic times.

[Thermodolia]

YES. Unfortunately, as a national party they're a joke so they really need to change (at their convention a guy running for chairman stripped off his clothes...)

However, I'm supporting Johnson/Weld- I despise Trump but I also despise Hillary and think that they're virtually the same type of person just sucking up to different support groups.

Said guy was kicked from the party.

Well in one instance the libertarians have become 10,000x better than the GOP

[Ted Cruz 4 2016]

YES. Unfortunately, as a national party they're a joke so they really need to change (at their convention a guy running for chairman stripped off his clothes...)

However, I'm supporting Johnson/Weld- I despise Trump but I also despise Hillary and think that they're virtually the same type of person just sucking up to different support groups.

Said guy was kicked from the party.

Really? Good. I still think they have a ways to go before they can become a major national party though.

[Rio Cana]

Trump was just officially confirmed the Republican winner. So he becomes the head of the Republican party.

The following States and territory did not vote for him at the convention delegate roll call. Puerto Rico all 23 votes went to Rubio. Ohio's 66 votes went to there Governor. Utah and Washington the Capital also did not vote for Trump.

[Thermodolia]

I'm not laughing.

I consider this the worst political disaster to have befallen the United States in generations.

This is a time for grief. The Party of Lincoln has finally fully cemented its new status as the party of fascism and demented lunacy.

I am.

With no Conservative resistance to progress, America will get much further much quicker. Libertarians are a much better foe because its not the end of the world if they get elected, much like it is with the GOP.

The republicans weren't always like this ya know. They were a lot more agreeable in the pre-Reagan/Nixon era.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

I am.

With no Conservative resistance to progress, America will get much further much quicker. Libertarians are a much better foe because its not the end of the world if they get elected, much like it is with the GOP.

The republicans weren't always like this ya know. They were a lot more agreeable in the pre-Reagan/Nixon era.

In 1860 I could have been a Republican. Thats all irrelevent now, though, considering that they have gone the way of becoming a shoddy excuse for a Neo-Reactionary party.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Said guy was kicked from the party.

Well in one instance the libertarians have become 10,000x better than the GOP

We're already way better than the GOP

Said guy was kicked from the party.

Really? Good. I still think they have a ways to go before they can become a major national party though.

Hopefully we can keep growing and become a major party. We're da best dammit.

[Thermodolia]

The republicans weren't always like this ya know. They were a lot more agreeable in the pre-Reagan/Nixon era.

In 1860 I could have been a Republican. Thats all irrelevent now, though, considering that they have gone the way of becoming a shoddy excuse for a Neo-Reactionary party.

In the 1860's I would have been a republican.

[The United Territories of Providence]

It's official. Donald J. Trump, is the nominee of the Republican Party for 2016. It's over, onward to November.

This is Donald's party now. Goodbye Reagan, Hello Trump.

I know Democrats might be laughing because Hillary will probably win in a landslide but having a major party collapsing like this is going to hurt the political process and make it tougher for everyone. RIP GOP

Oh no, this is horrible. Make no mistakes, our democracy is only able to function with a reasonable opposition party. The collapse of this party represents an existential threat to our Republic. We need the GOP, but the GOP did this to itself. The party has moved from an emphasis on small government, free-trade, and constitutional orginalism in regards to crafting laws....to..and you'll forgive me...racism and policies intended to appease a minority of religious white people who are increasingly older. That's not a party, and I'm not laughing but I am happy that the collapse is happening. Because now perhaps, like a Phoenix they will rise from the ashes and return to politics closer to Nixon and Ford as opposed to Reagan and Bush. Because although the ideas I still feel are wrong, they aren't....inexcusably horrible. Sometimes you've got to burn down the forest in order for new growth to begin.

[The Romulan Republic]

In 1860 I could have been a Republican. Thats all irrelevent now, though, considering that they have gone the way of becoming a shoddy excuse for a Neo-Reactionary party.

In the 1860's I would have been a republican.

Who wouldn't have been, besides secessionists and white supremacists?

You know, the people who are taking over the Republican Party now.

[Thermodolia]

I know Democrats might be laughing because Hillary will probably win in a landslide but having a major party collapsing like this is going to hurt the political process and make it tougher for everyone. RIP GOP

Oh no, this is horrible. Make no mistakes, our democracy is only able to function with a reasonable opposition party. The collapse of this party represents an existential threat to our Republic. We need the GOP, but the GOP did this to itself. The party has moved from an emphasis on small government, free-trade, and constitutional orginalism in regards to crafting laws....to..and you'll forgive me...racism and policies intended to appease a minority of religious white people who are increasingly older. That's not a party, and I'm not laughing but I am happy that the collapse is happening. Because now perhaps, like a Phoenix they will rise from the ashes and return to politics closer to Nixon and Ford as opposed to Reagan and Bush. Because although the ideas I still feel are wrong, they aren't....inexcusably horrible. Sometimes you've got to burn down the forest in order for new growth to begin.

The republicans would gain more support if they used the Ike Presidency as their party platform

[Ngelmish]

But the VP in and of themselves will not inspire statistically significant turnout. I mean, I suppose it could happen, but it would be essentially a first. And Clinton has been emphasizing, quite rightly in my opinion, that she's looking at who will be a good governing partner and be suited to the office of presidency in their own right before any political considerations. Only one of the names that you've mentioned there fills the first criteria in any serious way.

I'm not thrilled with who Clinton has chosen to freeze out either, but I take it as a good sign that she's looking to qualifications over illusory political advantage.

Oh, certainly she should pick someone who is qualified first and foremost.

However, as far as I know Kaine, Warren, Booker, etc. would all be qualified.

The question then becomes one of personalities, and political appeal.

Kaine certainly is. Booker is questionable. Warren really isn't. Other names that have been floated in different cases, well it varies. But so long as qualifications are a question, personalities and political appeal should take a rightful backseat. There aren't actually that many options she has that combine both traits well, but if she's not going to go for a combined appeal, then I'd prefer that she stick strictly to the first category.

And in that sense, Kaine and Vilsack (I'd pull slightly for Vilsack in that binary) are more than acceptable.

[Freefall11111]

Oh, certainly she should pick someone who is qualified first and foremost.

However, as far as I know Kaine, Warren, Booker, etc. would all be qualified.

The question then becomes one of personalities, and political appeal.

Kaine certainly is. Booker is questionable. Warren really isn't. Other names that have been floated in different cases, well it varies. But so long as qualifications are a question, personalities and political appeal should take a rightful backseat. There aren't actually that many options she has that combine both traits well, but if she's not going to go for a combined appeal, then I'd prefer that she stick strictly to the first category.

And in that sense, Kaine and Vilsack (I'd pull slightly for Vilsack in that binary) are more than acceptable.

Booker is questionable?

[Rio Cana]

Well in one instance the libertarians have become 10,000x better than the GOP

We're already way better than the GOP

Really? Good. I still think they have a ways to go before they can become a major national party though.

Hopefully we can keep growing and become a major party. We're da best dammit.

Ew! Its the 21 century and everyone wants a piece of the pie even if they had no hand in making or baking the pie.

[The Romulan Republic]

Oh, certainly she should pick someone who is qualified first and foremost.

However, as far as I know Kaine, Warren, Booker, etc. would all be qualified.

The question then becomes one of personalities, and political appeal.

Kaine certainly is. Booker is questionable. Warren really isn't. Other names that have been floated in different cases, well it varies. But so long as qualifications are a question, personalities and political appeal should take a rightful backseat. There aren't actually that many options she has that combine both traits well, but if she's not going to go for a combined appeal, then I'd prefer that she stick strictly to the first category.

And in that sense, Kaine and Vilsack (I'd pull slightly for Vilsack in that binary) are more than acceptable.

Warren has as much qualification as Obama did, more or less (resume-wise).

What makes you doubt her ability?

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

CANT STUMP THE TRUMP

>tfw Hillary Clinton is going to Stump the Trump in the general.

[Thermodolia]

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

CANT STUMP THE TRUMP

Well good thing Hillary is like a bucket of cold water on that mess.

[Gauthier]

CANT STUMP THE TRUMP

Because he does it to himself before anyone else can.

[Geilinor]

I'm not thrilled with who Clinton has chosen to freeze out either, but I take it as a good sign that she's looking to qualifications over illusory political advantage.

She'll have to freeze out some qualified candidates. She must have considered them but people she can work with are going to come first.

[Thermodolia]

Kaine certainly is. Booker is questionable. Warren really isn't. Other names that have been floated in different cases, well it varies. But so long as qualifications are a question, personalities and political appeal should take a rightful backseat. There aren't actually that many options she has that combine both traits well, but if she's not going to go for a combined appeal, then I'd prefer that she stick strictly to the first category.

And in that sense, Kaine and Vilsack (I'd pull slightly for Vilsack in that binary) are more than acceptable.

Warren has as much qualification as Obama did, more or less (resume-wise).

What makes you doubt her ability?

The only problem I have with Warren is that she hails from a state with a republican governor who would fill her seat with a republican as soon as she left.

[Thermodolia]

CANT STUMP THE TRUMP

Because he does it to himself before anyone else can.

I didn't know that trump was a self-defeatist

[Idzequitch]

Well this is interesting. Angry man contests the results from Alaska.