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Who Do You Support in the 2016 Election?

Donald J. Trump (Republican)
282
29%
Hillary Rodham Clinton (Democrat)
331
34%
Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
139
14%
Jill Stein (Green)
113
12%
Undecided
48
5%
Other
64
7%
 
Total votes : 977

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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:39 pm

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Liriena wrote:I predict a lot of uncomfortable squirming from the anchors. :P

He also seems to have, from reading his website, an unhealthy fixation with the fact that Israel exists. Nine pages of posts come up when you search "Israel" in his sidebar, and a not-insignificant number of them aren't even on topics where I would ever reasonably expect the subject of Israel to be relevant.

Well, Stein has said she wants to implement a radical agenda.
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Postby Astrolinium » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:39 pm

Liriena wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:He also seems to have, from reading his website, an unhealthy fixation with the fact that Israel exists. Nine pages of posts come up when you search "Israel" in his sidebar, and a not-insignificant number of them aren't even on topics where I would ever reasonably expect the subject of Israel to be relevant.

Geesh.

So, basically, I'm considering a drinking game where I take a shot every time he mentions it out of context during the town hall.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:40 pm

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We have to take a test for citizenship. We have to, by default, know this shit.

But to rule over the entire country? Nah, you don't even have to know how many articles the Constitution has. You just need to be born there.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:41 pm

Astrolinium wrote:
Liriena wrote:Geesh.

So, basically, I'm considering a drinking game where I take a shot every time he mentions it out of context during the town hall.

Dude, you should love your liver a little bit more than that. :P
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Postby Corrian » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:43 pm

Well, that eliminates Stein as an option. Down to Johnson or Clinton.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:45 pm

Corrian wrote:Well, that eliminates Stein as an option. Down to Johnson or Clinton.


Feel the Johnson!
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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:45 pm

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I think a Clinton vs. Johnson debate would be cool. It'd be a good chance for both of them to make their case for their policies and have an intelligent conversation without Trump cluttering up the stage with his nonsense.

He'll burst on there unexpectedly and yell at everyone.


Hopefully he gets arrested like what happened to Jill Stein when she tried something like that.
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Postby Uxupox » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:47 pm

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They can apply to the labor force of their country if they want to work.

This isn't a matter of a few hundred people. Entire towns rely on nearby military installations to maintain their vibrancy and grow their economy.


Millions are poured just for company unit of 150 soldiers. Imagine that with multiple brigades in one base in which multiples brigades have multiple battalions in which this multiple battalions have 4 or 5 companies (With possible detachments such as supply, MP or what ever is needed for the mission) It's simply a money down the drain system to prop up foreign economies? What the fuck this is? The Marshall plan?
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Postby New West Guiana » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:56 pm

i really do expect at the end of each of his rallies they end with a burning cross and give the Hitler salute:

New York Times releases uncensored video of Trump rallies: ‘Hang the b*tch!’ ‘F*ck that n*gger!’

Guess this could also be the reason why he hates the NYT, they expose what he wants to brush under the rug.
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:57 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:This isn't a matter of a few hundred people. Entire towns rely on nearby military installations to maintain their vibrancy and grow their economy.


Millions are poured just for company unit of 150 soldiers. Imagine that with multiple brigades in one base in which multiples brigades have multiple battalions in which this multiple battalions have 4 or 5 companies (With possible detachments such as supply, MP or what ever is needed for the mission) It's simply a money down the drain system to prop up foreign economies? What the fuck this is? The Marshall plan?

Yes. Lots of money is spent on the military. Congrats.

No. It's the remnants of a possibly outdated Cold War-era military strategy.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:57 pm

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Corrian wrote:Well, that eliminates Stein as an option. Down to Johnson or Clinton.


Feel the Johnson!


Ew.

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Postby Uxupox » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:59 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Millions are poured just for company unit of 150 soldiers. Imagine that with multiple brigades in one base in which multiples brigades have multiple battalions in which this multiple battalions have 4 or 5 companies (With possible detachments such as supply, MP or what ever is needed for the mission) It's simply a money down the drain system to prop up foreign economies? What the fuck this is? The Marshall plan?

Yes. Lots of money is spent on the military. Congrats.

No. It's the remnants of a possibly outdated Cold War-era military strategy.


Why spend that much money in foreign countries when we can spend in on our own country particularly in infrastructure, education and health?
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Postby Corrian » Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:00 pm

Hey, Johnson is at least as sane as you can get in the Libertarian department.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:01 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Feel the Johnson!


Ew.

And that's for the candidate and the pun that needs to die for the betterment of mankind.


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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:02 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Yes. Lots of money is spent on the military. Congrats.

No. It's the remnants of a possibly outdated Cold War-era military strategy.


Why spend that much money in foreign countries when we can spend in on our own country particularly in infrastructure, education and health?


Because the people at congress look at the post-Cold War world in a Cold War lens.

While the North Korean war is still going on (it's just in indefinite armistice), the truth is that people still view Putin's Russia as the same hegemony as they saw the USSR. This affects the decisions for military presence around the world.
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Postby Uxupox » Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:04 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Why spend that much money in foreign countries when we can spend in on our own country particularly in infrastructure, education and health?


Because the people at congress look at the post-Cold War world in a Cold War lens.

While the North Korean war is still going on (it's just in indefinite armistice), the truth is that people still view Putin's Russia as the same hegemony as they saw the USSR. This affects the decisions for military presence around the world.


And people are frankly stupid for thinking like that. The Russian threat is near non-existent (Unless your Ukraine).
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:04 pm

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Liriena wrote:I predict a lot of uncomfortable squirming from the anchors. :P

He also seems to have, from reading his website, an unhealthy fixation with the fact that Israel exists. Nine pages of posts come up when you search "Israel" in his sidebar, and a not-insignificant number of them aren't even on topics where I would ever reasonably expect the subject of Israel to be relevant.

Stein should have picked someone less extreme, not more. Hopefully this minimizes her appeal to Bernie or Busters, but likely not.
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:06 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Yes. Lots of money is spent on the military. Congrats.

No. It's the remnants of a possibly outdated Cold War-era military strategy.


Why spend that much money in foreign countries when we can spend in on our own country particularly in infrastructure, education and health?

Well, one reason is to deter Russian aggression. Another is to better support US missions in the Middle East (the US Fleet based out of Italy played a prominent role in the Libya intervention). Another is to make NATO more than just a club for the military staffs of European and North American countries.
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Postby Corrian » Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:07 pm

Geilinor wrote:Stein should have picked someone less extreme, not more. Hopefully this minimizes her appeal to Bernie or Busters, but likely not.

Well, some of them are about that insane, so. And if you count me, I'm pretty turned off by the Greens now.
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:08 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Because the people at congress look at the post-Cold War world in a Cold War lens.

While the North Korean war is still going on (it's just in indefinite armistice), the truth is that people still view Putin's Russia as the same hegemony as they saw the USSR. This affects the decisions for military presence around the world.


And people are frankly stupid for thinking like that. The Russian threat is near non-existent (Unless your Ukraine).

The people of the Baltic states probably view Russian aggression in a different lens.
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Postby Uxupox » Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:09 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
And people are frankly stupid for thinking like that. The Russian threat is near non-existent (Unless your Ukraine).

The people of the Baltic states probably view Russian aggression in a different lens.


Let them get destroyed.
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:10 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:The people of the Baltic states probably view Russian aggression in a different lens.


Let them get destroyed.

How...detestable.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:12 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Ew.

And that's for the candidate and the pun that needs to die for the betterment of mankind.


The candidate is the best in the race and the puns are great :p


The pun is old, shriveled, and useless, and should probably be cut off starting now.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:13 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:The people of the Baltic states probably view Russian aggression in a different lens.


Let them get destroyed.


Ah, the "Fuck 'em, I got mine" school of international relations, which has always worked out so well in the past, and has never led to serious blowback in the long run.

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Postby Uxupox » Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:13 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Let them get destroyed.

How...detestable.


Why should I exchange the life of a comrade for that of Estonian, Lithuanian or Latvian? These guys don't even pull their own weight in the NATO budget, how can I trust at the end of the day that they have the equipment provided to cover my back if a war occurs and I'm sent to this region that we should have no part of.
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