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Who Do You Support in the 2016 Election?

Donald J. Trump (Republican)
282
29%
Hillary Rodham Clinton (Democrat)
331
34%
Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
139
14%
Jill Stein (Green)
113
12%
Undecided
48
5%
Other
64
7%
 
Total votes : 977

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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:04 pm

Uxupox wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
I can relate to that. I intend to vote for him, but I still wish he wasn't quite so far to the right.


He has some rather nice positions. I believe if he completely reduces military bases outside the the Home theater and the Asian theater by a 100% I'd vote for him.

That's going to put alot of communities and people out of work.
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:05 pm



If Clinton flips Arizona that would be the icing on the cake for one of the biggest ass-kickings in electoral history.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:06 pm

Ailiailia wrote:
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He takes about equal from Clinton and Trump.


Once again, what's your evidence for this?

@USS Monitor ... you've made similar claims, you too are invited to provide evidence.


Best I can do on short notice, the trend of him taking equally has continued afaik.
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:06 pm

Apparently, CNN is gonna host a town hall with Jill Stein and her running mate in two weeks. I'll definitely be watching that.

If I remember, that is. :?
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Postby Uxupox » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:08 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
He has some rather nice positions. I believe if he completely reduces military bases outside the the Home theater and the Asian theater by a 100% I'd vote for him.

That's going to put alot of communities and people out of work.


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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:10 pm

Ailiailia wrote:As to the flurry of gaffes from Trump and his people, my take is that they're trying to get the Khan story out of the news.
Covering up a big tactical mistake with lots of small ones, if you like.

It would make sense, and Trump could be said to have given it away in his recent Washington Post interview, where he expressed concern due to how long the Khan controversy has lasted.

So far, I think his campaign and him have failed to accomplish this. The story is still at the forefront in a lot of media coverage, despite all the other gaffes he's made over the past couple of days. And different figures and institutions are refusing to let it go.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:11 pm

Uxupox wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
I can relate to that. I intend to vote for him, but I still wish he wasn't quite so far to the right.


He has some rather nice positions. I believe if he completely reduces military bases outside the the Home theater and the Asian theater by a 100% I'd vote for him.

So no troops in Europe?
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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:11 pm

36 Camera Perspective wrote:


If Clinton flips Arizona that would be the icing on the cake for one of the biggest ass-kickings in electoral history.

Not just Arizona. Even Georgia might be in danger of flipping. And wouldn't that be nice?
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Postby Corrian » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:20 pm

Liriena wrote:I hope he does. He needs that exposure.
Plus, Trump seems to be really against third-party presence in the debates, which is pretty telling.

I would absolutely love it if Trump doesn't show up and they just replace him with Johnson.
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Postby Aggicificicerous » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:24 pm



Holy crap, miss a day, and the world changes. What did Trump do this time?

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Postby Astrolinium » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:25 pm

Eol Sha wrote:Apparently, CNN is gonna host a town hall with Jill Stein and her running mate in two weeks. I'll definitely be watching that.

If I remember, that is. :?


It'll be interesting to see how the anchors and audience react to a Vice Presidential candidate who self-describes as being "committed to fighting this corrupt, degenerate, white supremacist monstrosity called the United States".
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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:26 pm

Corrian wrote:
Liriena wrote:I hope he does. He needs that exposure.
Plus, Trump seems to be really against third-party presence in the debates, which is pretty telling.

I would absolutely love it if Trump doesn't show up and they just replace him with Johnson.


I think a Clinton vs. Johnson debate would be cool. It'd be a good chance for both of them to make their case for their policies and have an intelligent conversation without Trump cluttering up the stage with his nonsense.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:27 pm

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Holy crap, miss a day, and the world changes. What did Trump do this time?

Got eviscerated from every direction during the Democratic Party's convention, and then decided to go and attack the family of a condecorated Muslim American soldier who died in Iraq for criticising his anti-Muslim rhetoric.
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Postby Aggicificicerous » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:29 pm

Liriena wrote:
Aggicificicerous wrote:
Holy crap, miss a day, and the world changes. What did Trump do this time?

Got eviscerated from every direction during the Democratic Party's convention, and then decided to go and attack the family of a condecorated Muslim American soldier who died in Iraq for criticising his anti-Muslim rhetoric.


Wow, and I thought Trump was smart.

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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:30 pm

Astrolinium wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Apparently, CNN is gonna host a town hall with Jill Stein and her running mate in two weeks. I'll definitely be watching that.

If I remember, that is. :?


It'll be interesting to see how the anchors and audience react to a Vice Presidential candidate who self-describes as being "committed to fighting this corrupt, degenerate, white supremacist monstrosity called the United States".

I predict a lot of uncomfortable squirming from the anchors. :P
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:32 pm

Liriena wrote:
Aggicificicerous wrote:
Holy crap, miss a day, and the world changes. What did Trump do this time?

Got eviscerated from every direction during the Democratic Party's convention, and then decided to go and attack the family of a condecorated Muslim American soldier who died in Iraq for criticising his anti-Muslim rhetoric.


How do you manage to have your political rival at 70% chances of winning?
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Postby Uxupox » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:32 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
He has some rather nice positions. I believe if he completely reduces military bases outside the the Home theater and the Asian theater by a 100% I'd vote for him.

So no troops in Europe?


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Postby Astrolinium » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:33 pm

Liriena wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:
It'll be interesting to see how the anchors and audience react to a Vice Presidential candidate who self-describes as being "committed to fighting this corrupt, degenerate, white supremacist monstrosity called the United States".

I predict a lot of uncomfortable squirming from the anchors. :P

He also seems to have, from reading his website, an unhealthy fixation with the fact that Israel exists. Nine pages of posts come up when you search "Israel" in his sidebar, and a not-insignificant number of them aren't even on topics where I would ever reasonably expect the subject of Israel to be relevant.
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:33 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:That's going to put alot of communities and people out of work.


They can apply to the labor force of their country if they want to work.

This isn't a matter of a few hundred people. Entire towns rely on nearby military installations to maintain their vibrancy and grow their economy.
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:35 pm

Astrolinium wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Apparently, CNN is gonna host a town hall with Jill Stein and her running mate in two weeks. I'll definitely be watching that.

If I remember, that is. :?


It'll be interesting to see how the anchors and audience react to a Vice Presidential candidate who self-describes as being "committed to fighting this corrupt, degenerate, white supremacist monstrosity called the United States".

I wonder what are the odds of Don Lemon being called an Uncle Tom if he hosted the town hall.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby VelStatus Tellurianus » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:36 pm

Astrolinium wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Apparently, CNN is gonna host a town hall with Jill Stein and her running mate in two weeks. I'll definitely be watching that.

If I remember, that is. :?


It'll be interesting to see how the anchors and audience react to a Vice Presidential candidate who self-describes as being "committed to fighting this corrupt, degenerate, white supremacist monstrosity called the United States".

What the fuck.
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Corrian wrote:I would absolutely love it if Trump doesn't show up and they just replace him with Johnson.


I think a Clinton vs. Johnson debate would be cool. It'd be a good chance for both of them to make their case for their policies and have an intelligent conversation without Trump cluttering up the stage with his nonsense.

He'll burst on there unexpectedly and yell at everyone.

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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:36 pm

Astrolinium wrote:
Liriena wrote:I predict a lot of uncomfortable squirming from the anchors. :P

He also seems to have, from reading his website, an unhealthy fixation with the fact that Israel exists. Nine pages of posts come up when you search "Israel" in his sidebar, and a not-insignificant number of them aren't even on topics where I would ever reasonably expect the subject of Israel to be relevant.

Geesh.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:38 pm

Eol Sha wrote:

I might just be taking a wild guess, but I imagine most immigrants know more about the US Constitution than the average native-born American.


We have to take a test for citizenship. We have to, by default, know this shit.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:38 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Liriena wrote:Got eviscerated from every direction during the Democratic Party's convention, and then decided to go and attack the family of a condecorated Muslim American soldier who died in Iraq for criticising his anti-Muslim rhetoric.


How do you manage to have your political rival at 70% chances of winning?

Apparently, by being a thin-skinned bully.
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Political compass stuff:
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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