US GENERAL ELECTION MEGA-THREAD II: Clinton vs. Trump

[Minzerland]

CNN town hall with Johnson is about to start.

Whoop! Go Johnson!

[Washington Resistance Army]

Gary actually called out Clinton for being beholden to big money.

I'm happy now.

[Eol Sha]

Gary actually called out Clinton for being beholden to big money.

I'm happy now.

Has he not done that before?

[Liriena]

Gary actually called out Clinton for being beholden to big money.

I'm happy now.

Does Johnson support Citizens United, though?

[Eol Sha]

Gary actually called out Clinton for being beholden to big money.

I'm happy now.

Does Johnson support Citizens United, though?

I imagine he does.

From Wiki:

Johnson believes the only necessary campaign finance reform is a mandate of "100% transparency."[7]

In 2012, Johnson suggested that he would support the consideration of a public financing system for federal campaigns if elected. However, in 2016, he expressed opposition to a public financing system for federal campaigns.[35]

Edit: I was wrong.

The differences in economic policy and philosophy between the socialist-leaning Sanders and the Libertarian candidate Johnson could fill volumes. One small part of the debate about politics and economics is a call for campaign finance reform. Both candidates supported turning over the Supreme Court’s decision in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. Both candidates believe that more transparency is needed.
As @GovGaryJohnson announces he's seeking @LPNational nomination for President, interview with him on open debates https://t.co/KhzNpycf4J
— Jeff 4 Justice (@jeff4justice) January 7, 2016
In fact, Johnson believes that complete transparency is the only regulation necessary when it comes to campaign finance. Sanders, on the other hand, calls for a complete overhaul to the system. He is a strong advocate of the notion, “one voice, one vote.” He has repeatedly claimed that our elections are being bought by billionaires.
Both men have several weeks before their respective parties elects their candidate for the Presidential election.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Gary actually called out Clinton for being beholden to big money.

I'm happy now.

Has he not done that before?

He's beat around the bush on the topic and never directly said it.

Gary actually called out Clinton for being beholden to big money.

I'm happy now.

Does Johnson support Citizens United, though?

He supports people being able to donate as much money as you want to whatever cause but he strongly dislikes crony capitalism.

[Liriena]

Does Johnson support Citizens United, though?

I imagine he does.

From Wiki:

Johnson believes the only necessary campaign finance reform is a mandate of "100% transparency."[7]

In 2012, Johnson suggested that he would support the consideration of a public financing system for federal campaigns if elected. However, in 2016, he expressed opposition to a public financing system for federal campaigns.[35]

Well, that's disappointing.

[Eol Sha]

I was wrong.

The differences in economic policy and philosophy between the socialist-leaning Sanders and the Libertarian candidate Johnson could fill volumes. One small part of the debate about politics and economics is a call for campaign finance reform. Both candidates supported turning over the Supreme Court’s decision in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. Both candidates believe that more transparency is needed.

"As @GovGaryJohnson announces he's seeking @LPNational nomination for President, interview with him on open debates https://t.co/KhzNpycf4J

— Jeff 4 Justice (@jeff4justice) January 7, 2016"

In fact, Johnson believes that complete transparency is the only regulation necessary when it comes to campaign finance. Sanders, on the other hand, calls for a complete overhaul to the system. He is a strong advocate of the notion, “one voice, one vote.” He has repeatedly claimed that our elections are being bought by billionaires.

Both men have several weeks before their respective parties elects their candidate for the Presidential election.

[Liriena]

Has he not done that before?

He's beat around the bush on the topic and never directly said it.

Does Johnson support Citizens United, though?

He supports people being able to donate as much money as you want to whatever cause but he strongly dislikes crony capitalism.

And herein comes the yuuuuuge question: Does he think corporations are people?

[Washington Resistance Army]

He's beat around the bush on the topic and never directly said it.



He supports people being able to donate as much money as you want to whatever cause but he strongly dislikes crony capitalism.

And herein comes the yuuuuuge question: Does he think corporations are people?

I'm pretty sure he doesn't but I don't have a source on hand atm.

[Eol Sha]

Excellent question and follow up from Diane Carlson on marijuana. Johnson isn't really answering her question.

[Corrian]

Damn, the FiveThirtyEight forecasts keep getting worse and worse for Trump.

He tanked, and fast. I saw that today and went "Holy shit, it went up 5% since I checked yesterday for Clinton's chances"

[Grave_n_idle]

Absolutely. That's exactly my point.

If you trust any word that comes out of Trump's mouth, you should trust Cuban - given that they're effectively running on the same merits.

I don't have any reason to trust Cuban. But then, fact-checking Trump shows that literally 96% of everything he says is untrue - so I think I'm erring on the right side of caution.

That wasn't your point at all. My point was that while being a successful businessman gives you a certain skill set and makes you more capable of dealing with the economy and even negotiating trades (including political ones), it doesn't include telepathy into other peoples net worth.

On the subject of telepathy, it's interesting that you think you know what my point was better than I do.

It's less interesting because of how wrong you are.

[Everhall]

Damn, the FiveThirtyEight forecasts keep getting worse and worse for Trump.

This is the point Trump will look back as the moment he lost. While he's leading a coup against the US...

Seriously though if Trump's a sore loser it could endanger the nation.

[AiliailiA]

Well, this is disturbingly unsurprising.

Not disturbing imo. If Iran shot pictures of bundles of cash being unloaded in Tehran and like Trump said released it to humiliate the US, it wouldn't just be in a security briefing ... it would be on TV. As the article notes, there's an Iran-related video but it's shot in Geneva and isn't in any way "top secret". Trump is making shit up again.

He probably thinks he can fabricate stuff, under the pretext that he's seen national security briefings and we haven't. Meanwhile, he can't be busted for revealing national secrets if what he's "revealing" isn't in the briefings because he made it up. Perhaps even Clinton over-reacts and accuses him of leaking classified information, then he says he was joking and she fell for it (classic troll move, no?)

Isn't that just what happened last time Trump supposedly leaked secret Saudi Arabian bases from a national security briefing? Not security secrets after all, just Trump bullshit!

[Eol Sha]

Johnson's "these things are gonna happen" answer on terrorism is prescient if not comforting.

[AiliailiA]

As to the flurry of gaffes from Trump and his people, my take is that they're trying to get the Khan story out of the news.
Covering up a big tactical mistake with lots of small ones, if you like.

[USS Monitor]

As a socialist, I am not too keen on his laissez faire economics, but I appreciate the purity and sincerity of his beliefs, and he deserves a fair place in this race.

I can relate to that. I intend to vote for him, but I still wish he wasn't quite so far to the right.

[USS Monitor]

Hmm...does Bill Weld really need to be on the stage with Gary Johnson?

They do a lot of appearances together.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Excellent question and follow up from Diane Carlson on marijuana. Johnson isn't really answering her question.

He rambles sometimes

[USS Monitor]

Yeah, Weld kicks ass

I wouldn't mind a cage fight between the two.

I think Johnson would win. If they were debating against each other for some reason, Weld would win. So of course the Libertarian Party, in its infinite wisdom, has Johnson at the top of the ticket, cos they know what skills you really need in a presidential candidate!

[Uxupox]

As a socialist, I am not too keen on his laissez faire economics, but I appreciate the purity and sincerity of his beliefs, and he deserves a fair place in this race.

I can relate to that. I intend to vote for him, but I still wish he wasn't quite so far to the right.

He has some rather nice positions. I believe if he completely reduces military bases outside the the Home theater and the Asian theater by a 100% I'd vote for him.

[Geilinor]

Gary actually called out Clinton for being beholden to big money.

I'm happy now.

So is Trump given the Super PAC's supporting him.

[USS Monitor]

Gary actually called out Clinton for being beholden to big money.

I'm happy now.

Has he not done that before?

Not that I have heard. He's been trying to keep things positive and not go around talking shit about his opponents.

[AiliailiA]

Think Johnson will be like Perot? A spoiler for the GOP?

He takes about equal from Clinton and Trump.

Once again, what's your evidence for this?

@USS Monitor ... you've made similar claims, you too are invited to provide evidence.