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Who Do You Support in the 2016 Election?

Donald J. Trump (Republican)
282
29%
Hillary Rodham Clinton (Democrat)
331
34%
Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
139
14%
Jill Stein (Green)
113
12%
Undecided
48
5%
Other
64
7%
 
Total votes : 977

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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:27 pm

"I have to pay for my own retirement instead of forcing other people too QQ!"

^SS defenderism in a nutshell
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:30 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:"I have to pay for my own retirement instead of forcing other people too QQ!"

^SS defenderism in a nutshell

I have to pay taxes because I earn over a million dollars a year! This is unfair! Poor people should work hard, like me, a Wall Street executive!
-SS Objectionists in a nutshell.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:34 pm

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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:39 pm

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An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:39 pm

Pantuxia wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:"I have to pay for my own retirement instead of forcing other people too QQ!"

^SS defenderism in a nutshell

I have to pay taxes because I earn over a million dollars a year! This is unfair! Poor people should work hard, like me, a Wall Street executive!
-SS Objectionists in a nutshell.


Well I don't think anyone should have to pay taxes, because I believe in equality under the law. And even the wealthy Wall Street executive once started as a lowly stock broker. In fact this logic can extend to anyone over 55 years old who had their whole lives to make money.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:40 pm


Wouldn't surprise me if it was all made up, considering that he talks about how Iran 'released' the video when his own story contradicts that.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:41 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:I have to pay taxes because I earn over a million dollars a year! This is unfair! Poor people should work hard, like me, a Wall Street executive!
-SS Objectionists in a nutshell.


Well I don't think anyone should have to pay taxes, because I believe in equality under the law. And even the wealthy Wall Street executive once started as a lowly stock broker. In fact this logic can extend to anyone over 55 years old who had their whole lives to make money.


False. That exec could have inherent a load of money and lived a rich pampered life.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:41 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:Well I don't think anyone should have to pay taxes, because I believe in equality under the law.

That's the stupidest thing I've heard all day, and I just heard Trump talk.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:42 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:I have to pay taxes because I earn over a million dollars a year! This is unfair! Poor people should work hard, like me, a Wall Street executive!
-SS Objectionists in a nutshell.


Well I don't think anyone should have to pay taxes, because I believe in equality under the law. And even the wealthy Wall Street executive once started as a lowly stock broker. In fact this logic can extend to anyone over 55 years old who had their whole lives to make money.

How do taxes violate equality under the law? What about a flat tax?
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:43 pm


God damn it Trump. Keep your mouth shut for once, why won't you?
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:43 pm

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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:44 pm

Geilinor wrote:How do taxes violate equality under the law? What about a flat tax?

The fairness of a flat tax to a progressive tax is like the fairness of a poll tax to a flat tax. It's just a smokescreen for avoiding paying into the system like the rest of the peons.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:44 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Geilinor wrote:How do taxes violate equality under the law? What about a flat tax?

The fairness of a flat tax to a progressive tax is like the fairness of a poll tax to a flat tax. It's just a smokescreen for avoiding paying into the system like the rest of the peons.

I thought he used to support a flat tax, which is why I asked.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:47 pm

If Trump thinks he's a friend of the LGBT+ community, he's going to need new spokespeople.

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:I have to pay taxes because I earn over a million dollars a year! This is unfair! Poor people should work hard, like me, a Wall Street executive!
-SS Objectionists in a nutshell.


Well I don't think anyone should have to pay taxes, because I believe in equality under the law. And even the wealthy Wall Street executive once started as a lowly stock broker. In fact this logic can extend to anyone over 55 years old who had their whole lives to make money.

Your argument makes no sense. Furthermore, wealth is not inherently correlated to a whole life spent working hard to acquire it. Even in the United States, social mobility has declined substantially, and many, if not most, of the wealthiest people in the country inherited their wealth.
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Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:54 pm

Trumpostan wrote:Here's my first wild stab in the dark election prediction for november:

Hillary 47
Trump 40
Johnson 12
Stein/others 1

Nothing to go on but gut feeling, but hey it works for the Donald!

Mine:

Clinton: 53.4
Trump: 43.2
Johnson: 3.4
Stein: >1

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:55 pm

CNN town hall with Johnson is about to start.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:57 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:CNN town hall with Johnson is about to start.

Awesome. Hope he gets good ratings.

As a socialist, I am not too keen on his laissez faire economics, but I appreciate the purity and sincerity of his beliefs, and he deserves a fair place in this race.
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:58 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:CNN town hall with Johnson is about to start.

Really? I guess I'll tune in. About time I actually listened to the man. Hopefully whoever is moderating will do their job and ask tough, but fair questions.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:00 pm

On an unrelated note, I just saw a Trump Super PAC ad decrying Clinton for taking money from megadonors. The hypocrisy is endless. :lol2:
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:01 pm

Eol Sha wrote:On an unrelated note, I just saw a Trump Super PAC ad decrying Clinton for taking money from megadonors. The hypocrisy is endless. :lol2:

A Clinton super PAC should respond by bringing up how Trump begged the Koch brothers for their support, and they refused him. :twisted:
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:02 pm

Hmm...does Bill Weld really need to be on the stage with Gary Johnson?
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:03 pm

Eol Sha wrote:Hmm...does Bill Weld really need to be on the stage with Gary Johnson?


Yeah, Weld kicks ass :p
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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:03 pm

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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:04 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Hmm...does Bill Weld really need to be on the stage with Gary Johnson?


Yeah, Weld kicks ass :p

I wouldn't mind a cage fight between the two. :lol2:
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

"What's the number one method of achieving civil rights in America? Don't scare the white folks." ~ Eol Sha

Praise be to C-SPAN - Democrats Should Listen to Sanders - How I Voted on November 8, 2016 - Trump's Foreign Policy: Do Stupid Shit - Trump's Clock is Ticking

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:06 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yeah, Weld kicks ass :p

I wouldn't mind a cage fight between the two. :lol2:


Na, Johnson v Trump would be better.

Thankfully Johnson's speaking looks better thus far.
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