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Who Do You Support in the 2016 Election?

Donald J. Trump (Republican)
282
29%
Hillary Rodham Clinton (Democrat)
331
34%
Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
139
14%
Jill Stein (Green)
113
12%
Undecided
48
5%
Other
64
7%
 
Total votes : 977

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Eol Sha
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:51 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Super interesting. Even more interesting: Would Clinton or Trump be the first to spread this through the media if Johnson becomes competitive?


Either way, I don't think it would do much damage. Johnson did a decent job of clarifying his position when there was a kerfuffle in the Libertarian Party, and his actual position isn't objectionable.

You should know by now that's not how politics is played in the big leagues.
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You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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‘Why Can I Never Seem To Say The Right Thing?’ Weeps Trump

Postby Great Feng » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:52 pm

NEW YORK—Quickly running into his bedroom and slamming the door behind him after hearing public criticism of the statements he made regarding the family of a fallen Muslim-American U.S. Army captain, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump reportedly threw himself on his bed Tuesday and asked himself “Why can I never seem to say the right thing?” while weeping into his pillow. “Every time I open my mouth, the words come out all wrong,” Trump reportedly said in between long, heaving sobs, his voice muffled by the pillow as he occasionally pounded a balled-up fist into the mattress. “I try so hard, but I just can’t talk right, and everyone gets so mad at me. I just wish I could talk nicely like everyone else.” At press time, an exhausted Trump had reportedly cried himself into a perfectly sound sleep.

Source.

Well what do you think NSG? I feel bad for the man. :p
Let's throw him a party.

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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:52 pm

So why is Trump still going after Bush?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/18/politics/ ... bush-9-11/
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:53 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Shonburg wrote:I don't know if Johnson does specifically, but the party wants to abolish it.

Really? See. Another reason why it'd be reprehensible to cast my vote for the Libertarians.

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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:54 pm

Neutraligon wrote:So why is Trump still going after Bush?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/18/politics/ ... bush-9-11/

Why not?
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Valrifell » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:54 pm

Neutraligon wrote:So why is Trump still going after Bush?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/18/politics/ ... bush-9-11/


He feels he has far too much support.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:55 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:So why is Trump still going after Bush?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/18/politics/ ... bush-9-11/

Why not?


Also, why is he going after former-president Bush?
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:55 pm

Pantuxia wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Really? See. Another reason why it'd be reprehensible to cast my vote for the Libertarians.

You don't want the magical hand of the free market controlling your retirement money?

If I've learned anything from the fantasy genre, it's that magic has no will and is indifferent to the suffering of people. Human and non-human.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:56 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Why not?


Also, why is he going after former-president Bush?

Again, why not? They've made it perfectly clear they don't like Trump.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:57 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Also, why is he going after former-president Bush?

Again, why not? They've made it perfectly clear they don't like Trump.


Just seems so pointless.
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:58 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Again, why not? They've made it perfectly clear they don't like Trump.


Just seems so pointless.

Unforced errors are Trump's modus operandi.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

"What's the number one method of achieving civil rights in America? Don't scare the white folks." ~ Eol Sha

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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:58 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Just seems so pointless.

Unforced errors are Trump's modus operandi.

I don't see it as an error, just a completely useless action.
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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:59 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
Either way, I don't think it would do much damage. Johnson did a decent job of clarifying his position when there was a kerfuffle in the Libertarian Party, and his actual position isn't objectionable.

You should know by now that's not how politics is played in the big leagues.


The people that don't want to listen are going to go for Trump anyway. Johnson already lost them by running on a 3rd party ticket.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:01 pm

Come on Onion, your articles are supposed to be vaguely plausible.
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Postby Mynockia » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:02 pm

Neutraligon wrote:So why is Trump still going after Bush?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/18/politics/ ... bush-9-11/

Because he's a manchild and can't control himself when he gets angry.

If he is a Clinton plant with a mission to destroy and divide the Republican party, he's doing a great job. If he's trying to unite the Republican party and the broader electorate, he's failing horribly. Instead of attacking Clinton (who has given him plenty of opportunities to do so), he attacks the family of a fallen soldier for a week, refuses to endorse Paul Ryan and John McCain and attacks. Meanwhile, his running mate (who is at least an actual adult) contradicts him at every turn.

Normally, this would normally be a very winnable election for the Republicans (incumbent Democratic President, a weak/controversial nominee from the Democrats, plenty of angry/frustration in the electorate), but he keeps shooting himself in the foot. If I was Priebus I would be losing my shit too.
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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:02 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Also, why is he going after former-president Bush?

Again, why not? They've made it perfectly clear they don't like Trump.


Because if you keep pushing, it's probably possible to piss them off enough that they would campaign for Johnson or Clinton.
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:02 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:You should know by now that's not how politics is played in the big leagues.


The people that don't want to listen are going to go for Trump anyway. Johnson already lost them by running on a 3rd party ticket.

I'm more interested in how a "Johnson wants you to bake nazi cakes" ad plastered in Southern Florida would affect those who are on the fence.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Godular » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:03 pm

Galloism wrote:Come on Onion, your articles are supposed to be vaguely plausible.


Too many times with reality actually matching up with their jokes, mayhap?
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:03 pm

Mynockia wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:So why is Trump still going after Bush?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/18/politics/ ... bush-9-11/

Because he's a manchild and can't control himself when he gets angry.

If he is a Clinton plant with a mission to destroy and divide the Republican party, he's doing a great job. If he's trying to unite the Republican party and the broader electorate, he's failing horribly. Instead of attacking Clinton (who has given him plenty of opportunities to do so), he attacks the family of a fallen soldier for a week, refuses to endorse Paul Ryan and John McCain, and attacks Bush. Meanwhile, his running mate (who is at least an actual adult) contradicts him at every turn.

Normally, this would normally be a very winnable election for the Republicans (incumbent Democratic President, a weak/controversial nominee from the Democrats, plenty of angry/frustration in the electorate), but he keeps shooting himself in the foot. If I was Priebus I would be losing my shit too.

That CNN article is from October of last year, by the way.

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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:10 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
The people that don't want to listen are going to go for Trump anyway. Johnson already lost them by running on a 3rd party ticket.

I'm more interested in how a "Johnson wants you to bake nazi cakes" ad plastered in Southern Florida would affect those who are on the fence.


Compared to the amount of dirt on Clinton and Trump, with Benghazi, Trump U, etc. I just don't see how the Nazi cakes are a serious problem.

If Johnson seriously wants a Nazi cake, I'd be happy to make one for him. :lol:
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Postby Mynockia » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:11 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Mynockia wrote:Because he's a manchild and can't control himself when he gets angry.

If he is a Clinton plant with a mission to destroy and divide the Republican party, he's doing a great job. If he's trying to unite the Republican party and the broader electorate, he's failing horribly. Instead of attacking Clinton (who has given him plenty of opportunities to do so), he attacks the family of a fallen soldier for a week, refuses to endorse Paul Ryan and John McCain, and attacks Bush. Meanwhile, his running mate (who is at least an actual adult) contradicts him at every turn.

Normally, this would normally be a very winnable election for the Republicans (incumbent Democratic President, a weak/controversial nominee from the Democrats, plenty of angry/frustration in the electorate), but he keeps shooting himself in the foot. If I was Priebus I would be losing my shit too.

That CNN article is from October of last year, by the way.

Ah, I didn't see the date on that piece.

Bush Jr. recently grilled him at a fundraiser, so I assumed he reacted to that. Won't be surprised if he does.
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Postby New Jerzylvania » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:15 pm

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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:18 pm

Mynockia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:That CNN article is from October of last year, by the way.

Ah, I didn't see the date on that piece.

Bush Jr. recently grilled him at a fundraiser, so I assumed he reacted to that. Won't be surprised if he does.


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