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Who Do You Support in the 2016 Election?

Donald J. Trump (Republican)
282
29%
Hillary Rodham Clinton (Democrat)
331
34%
Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
139
14%
Jill Stein (Green)
113
12%
Undecided
48
5%
Other
64
7%
 
Total votes : 977

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:17 pm

I found quite the amusing theory about Trump's campaign.

Trump wanted to pursue the Reform Party's nomination for president in 2000 but the party was hijacked and essentially killed by Republicans. Trump's 2016 campaign is simply revenge for that and it's why he's doing so much dumb shit to hurt the GOP.

I know it probably isn't true but part of me wants to believe :p
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:17 pm

Pantuxia wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:I suppose some of the hardcore lefties will eat that up.

How so?

I imagine they'll enjoy Assad being talked about as a poor innocent victim of the Western capitalists just trying to do the best by his poor, fractious country.

I'm sure Merizoc will love Stein's anti-wifi views.

Erm...what?
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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:17 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:I suppose some of the hardcore lefties will eat that up.

I don't know, they might be a bit put off over the Charlie Hebdo comments

Maybe not the Charlie Hebdo comments, but probably the whole conspiracy theory and Bernie bashing.

Besides, I can't quite see an avowed communist or socialist voting Green.
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:19 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:How so?

I imagine they'll enjoy Assad being talked about as a poor innocent victim of the Western capitalists just trying to do the best by his poor, fractious country.

I'm sure Merizoc will love Stein's anti-wifi views.

Erm...what?

Isn't Merizoc an anarcho-primitivist?
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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:19 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Liriena wrote:The Johnson will probably grow in the polls over the next few months, but I think he'll ultimately underperform in the election.

If he goes up in the polls enough he might be able to be on the debates

I hope he does. He needs that exposure.
Plus, Trump seems to be really against third-party presence in the debates, which is pretty telling.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:19 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:I found quite the amusing theory about Trump's campaign.

Trump wanted to pursue the Reform Party's nomination for president in 2000 but the party was hijacked and essentially killed by Republicans. Trump's 2016 campaign is simply revenge for that and it's why he's doing so much dumb shit to hurt the GOP.

I know it probably isn't true but part of me wants to believe :p

Actually that seems plausible as the MythBusters would say.
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:20 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Liriena wrote:The Johnson will probably grow in the polls over the next few months, but I think he'll ultimately underperform in the election.

If he goes up in the polls enough he might be able to be on the debates

I wonder if that's such a good thing? What if he fucks up?
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:23 pm

Pantuxia wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:I imagine they'll enjoy Assad being talked about as a poor innocent victim of the Western capitalists just trying to do the best by his poor, fractious country.


Erm...what?

Isn't Merizoc an anarcho-primitivist?

I recall mentions of it.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Freefall11111 » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:24 pm

Pantuxia wrote:Also, to those of you who deny that Bernie Bros are going to Stein:
http://fusion.net/story/312634/the-gree ... -love-now/

Some Bernie Bros are certainly going to Stein. About 10% in best case scenarios, according to the polls. It wouldn't even be enough to get into debates.

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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:24 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:If he goes up in the polls enough he might be able to be on the debates

I wonder if that's such a good thing? What if he fucks up?


I've watched some of the Libertarian Party debates. Johnson isn't awe-inspiring, but he can manage sounding sane.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:25 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:If he goes up in the polls enough he might be able to be on the debates

I wonder if that's such a good thing? What if he fucks up?

Fucks up in what way?
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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:25 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:I wonder if that's such a good thing? What if he fucks up?

Fucks up in what way?


Something about Nazi cakes...
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:26 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:I wonder if that's such a good thing? What if he fucks up?

Fucks up in what way?

Stumbles while talking. Forgets his talking points. Profusely sweats. Literally falls while on stage. All things that could ruin interest in his party.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:26 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Fucks up in what way?


Something about Nazi cakes...

What the?!
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Postby Freefall11111 » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:27 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:If he goes up in the polls enough he might be able to be on the debates

I wonder if that's such a good thing? What if he fucks up?

All he needs to do is mention his views on social security and it's over.

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:28 pm

Freefall11111 wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:I wonder if that's such a good thing? What if he fucks up?

All he needs to do is mention his views on social security and it's over.

He doesn't want to privatize it does he?
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Postby Shonburg » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:29 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:All he needs to do is mention his views on social security and it's over.

He doesn't want to privatize it does he?

I don't know if Johnson does specifically, but the party wants to abolish it.
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:29 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
Something about Nazi cakes...

What the?!

Super interesting. Even more interesting: Would Clinton or Trump be the first to spread this through the media if Johnson becomes competitive?
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Postby Freefall11111 » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:30 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:All he needs to do is mention his views on social security and it's over.

He doesn't want to privatize it does he?

He supports partially privatising it and then investigating privatising the whole thing.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:30 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:All he needs to do is mention his views on social security and it's over.

He doesn't want to privatize it does he?


He wants to privatize parts of it IIRC.
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:30 pm

Shonburg wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:He doesn't want to privatize it does he?

I don't know if Johnson does specifically, but the party wants to abolish it.

Really? See. Another reason why it'd be reprehensible to cast my vote for the Libertarians.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:31 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:What the?!

Super interesting. Even more interesting: Would Clinton or Trump be the first to spread this through the media if Johnson becomes competitive.?

Clinton. Hands down
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:33 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:He doesn't want to privatize it does he?


He wants to privatize parts of it IIRC.

Another reason why I will never be a libertarian
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Postby Maineiacs » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:41 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Shonburg wrote:I don't know if Johnson does specifically, but the party wants to abolish it.

Really? See. Another reason why it'd be reprehensible to cast my vote for the Libertarians.



It's certainly on the list of reasons why I won't.
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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:45 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:What the?!

Super interesting. Even more interesting: Would Clinton or Trump be the first to spread this through the media if Johnson becomes competitive?


Either way, I don't think it would do much damage. Johnson did a decent job of clarifying his position when there was a kerfuffle in the Libertarian Party, and his actual position isn't objectionable.
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