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Who Do You Support in the 2016 Election?

Donald J. Trump (Republican)
282
29%
Hillary Rodham Clinton (Democrat)
331
34%
Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
139
14%
Jill Stein (Green)
113
12%
Undecided
48
5%
Other
64
7%
 
Total votes : 977

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Eol Sha
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:45 pm

Liriena wrote:

Is he actively trying to one-up himself? Does he think that if he keeps causing new controversies every few hours they won't hurt him? Does he even realize what he's doing?

I've thought about that a bit. It's entirely possible he's trying to cause so many controversies that everyone just gets scandal fatigue and starts treating Trump like the (supposedly) harmless uncle who says crazy shit.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby PaNTuXIa » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:47 pm

Liriena wrote:
Nariterrr wrote:I actually want Johnson to be on the stage.. damn the two party system.

Same here.

Pantuxia wrote:So, Stein selected Ajamu Baraka as her VP.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/j ... ate-226561

Eeeeeeh... he has some peculiar opinions.

Yeah. His opinion on Bernie was a bit off.
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Postby Llamalandia » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:47 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:I don't have an issue with Johnson being on the debate stage. Better than Stein, who could end up tainting the entire left with her anti-scientific nonsense.

How broadly are you defining the "left", I mean her wifi causes cancer or whatever thing might make think twice about members of her party, it's not To going to make me think say Bernie or Hilary are likewise anti science or anti tech. Although Hilary and her email scandal did highlight her tech illiteracy already.

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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:49 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Liriena wrote:Is he actively trying to one-up himself? Does he think that if he keeps causing new controversies every few hours they won't hurt him? Does he even realize what he's doing?

I've thought about that a bit. It's entirely possible he's trying to cause so many controversies that everyone just gets scandal fatigue and starts treating Trump like the (supposedly) harmless uncle who says crazy shit.

Well, in this Washington Post interview, he did express concern over the fact that the Khan controversy had lasted longer than it was convenient.
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:50 pm

Also, to those of you who deny that Bernie Bros are going to Stein:
http://fusion.net/story/312634/the-gree ... -love-now/
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PaNTuXIa wrote:>swedish
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Islamic nations tend to be right wing.

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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:51 pm

Pantuxia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Same here.


Eeeeeeh... he has some peculiar opinions.

Yeah. His opinion on Bernie was a bit off.

That, and his refusal to see Assad as anything other than a poor innocent victim of imperialism.
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Postby Patridam » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:51 pm

Pantuxia wrote:Also, to those of you who deny that Bernie Bros are going to Stein:
http://fusion.net/story/312634/the-gree ... -love-now/


That's kind of weird that she would pick a veep who really disliked Bernie then.
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Postby Trumpostan » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:52 pm

Pantuxia wrote:Also, to those of you who deny that Bernie Bros are going to Stein:
http://fusion.net/story/312634/the-gree ... -love-now/


The polls disagree with you, thank you for playing.

However, polls do suggest that the GOP is suffering increasing defections.

Whilst I cannot see Jill Stein breaking 1% in november (perhaps she'll scrape just past it), Gary Johnson could perhaps get to double digits if Trump continues his meltdown, and many of those that abandon the GOP vote for Johnson as the sane alternative (when compared to Trump).
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:53 pm

Patridam wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:Also, to those of you who deny that Bernie Bros are going to Stein:
http://fusion.net/story/312634/the-gree ... -love-now/


That's kind of weird that she would pick a veep who really disliked Bernie then.

Yeah. It's not like she's going to win anyway, but still.
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
PaNTuXIa wrote:>swedish
>conservatism

Islamic nations tend to be right wing.

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Postby PaNTuXIa » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:53 pm

Trumpostan wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:Also, to those of you who deny that Bernie Bros are going to Stein:
http://fusion.net/story/312634/the-gree ... -love-now/


The polls disagree with you, thank you for playing.

However, polls do suggest that the GOP is suffering increasing defections.

Think Johnson will be like Perot? A spoiler for the GOP?
I support Open Borders for Israel.
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
PaNTuXIa wrote:>swedish
>conservatism

Islamic nations tend to be right wing.

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:53 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:New poll has Clinton up by 10 points over Trump. Of course, that's just a typical liberal media...oh, wait, it's a Fox News poll.

When the democrat has got a 10 point lead on the republican from a Fox News poll you know things are going to be bad.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:54 pm

Pantuxia wrote:
Patridam wrote:
That's kind of weird that she would pick a veep who really disliked Bernie then.

Yeah. It's not like she's going to win anyway, but still.

The Greens and the Libertarians should put more effort into winning at the local and state level.
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I am:
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An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:55 pm

Liriena wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:So, Stein selected Ajamu Baraka as her VP.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/j ... ate-226561

Eeeeeeh... he has some peculiar opinions.


Like what? I don't know much about him.
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:55 pm

Liriena wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:Yeah. It's not like she's going to win anyway, but still.

The Greens and the Libertarians should put more effort into winning at the local and state level.

Definitely. we should build up from their, and maybe by the 2030's we will have gained enough traction to run in the general. As for the libertarians, I think their time to infiltrate the local and state bodies is now.
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
PaNTuXIa wrote:>swedish
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Islamic nations tend to be right wing.

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Postby Trumpostan » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:55 pm

Pantuxia wrote:
Trumpostan wrote:
The polls disagree with you, thank you for playing.

However, polls do suggest that the GOP is suffering increasing defections.

Think Johnson will be like Perot? A spoiler for the GOP?


For many republicans who won't vote for Trump, voting for Hillary won't be an option, so voting Johnson might be palatable to them.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:55 pm

Pantuxia wrote:
Trumpostan wrote:
The polls disagree with you, thank you for playing.

However, polls do suggest that the GOP is suffering increasing defections.

Think Johnson will be like Perot? A spoiler for the GOP?


He takes about equal from Clinton and Trump.

Liriena wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:Yeah. It's not like she's going to win anyway, but still.

The Greens and the Libertarians should put more effort into winning at the local and state level.


If only I was rich and could donate millions to help with that ;_;
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:56 pm

Pantuxia wrote:Also, to those of you who deny that Bernie Bros are going to Stein:
http://fusion.net/story/312634/the-gree ... -love-now/

That article is almost 2 months old
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:56 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Liriena wrote:

Eeeeeeh... he has some peculiar opinions.


Like what? I don't know much about him.

Doesn't like Bernie, he thinks that he just wants to further the "white agenda."
Doesn't like Beyonce, think she's simply pandering to capitalism by attacking police brutality in her music.
Thinks Assad is the victim.
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
PaNTuXIa wrote:>swedish
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Islamic nations tend to be right wing.

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Postby PaNTuXIa » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:57 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:Also, to those of you who deny that Bernie Bros are going to Stein:
http://fusion.net/story/312634/the-gree ... -love-now/

That article is almost 2 months old

And...?
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PaNTuXIa wrote:>swedish
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:57 pm

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>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
>Xovland: I keep getting ads for printer ink. Sometimes, when you get that feeling down there, you have to look at some steamy printer pictures.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:58 pm


Define 'well'.

I would put money on it turning out hilarious.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:58 pm

Pantuxia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:That article is almost 2 months old

And...?

A lot has happened in those 2 months that show otherwise.
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:58 pm

Liriena wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:Yeah. It's not like she's going to win anyway, but still.

The Greens and the Libertarians should put more effort into winning at the local and state level.

Yeah. That's been my opinion for years now. You need a sizable and loyal support base before you can hope to compete in the big leagues.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:59 pm


He should come on NSG, get lectured by foreigners who aren't even in America.

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