A wall needs to be built but not by Mexico

[-Suid-Afrika-]

or disband it and recreate something to replace it, instead of suburbans we should use technicals and small APCs

So you want a a fucking military guarding the border!?

Yes, South Africa did as did Baathist Iraq

[Novus America]

Why not just US our military instead. 3 army divisions is about 60,000 men. It would be much easier to use our existing troops than doubling the border patrol.

US soldiers should be defending the US, not going off on ideological crusades in a distant desert.

If we can ensure that the military we send to the border is going to be trained as well as border patrol is trained to deal with illegal immigrants, I could get behind the idea of using our military men and women for the job.

Well the way Israel does it is the military works with their border police. The military only does patrol and observation, not the actual arrests.

[Thermodolia]

A wall needs to be built but what Trump doesn't realise in his delusional speeches is Mexico cannot afford it and this will lead to more illegals in America. Mexico is already a failed nation this is why illegals are rushing in a wall will further this, also I doubt they have the technology to build a good wall like the Korean DMZ or the Berlin wall. And I doubt Mexico could staff it properly. Also how can America force Mexico to pay? Threatning a war I doubt that'll go well.

America will stop sending Mexico $265,000,000 dollars a year until the wall is payed off.

So you want to get into a trade war with Mexico? Oh that will go well.

[Thermodolia]

So you want a a fucking military guarding the border!?

Yes, South Africa did as did Baathist Iraq

Iraq isn't the best example in the world.

[Thermodolia]

If we can ensure that the military we send to the border is going to be trained as well as border patrol is trained to deal with illegal immigrants, I could get behind the idea of using our military men and women for the job.

Well the way Israel does it is the military works with their border police. The military only does patrol and observation, not the actual arrests.

Well that's better than using the military for all of it. I could get behind that. Still don't want to stand guard on the border though.

[West Angola]

Yes, South Africa did as did Baathist Iraq

Because those are nations we want to emulate...

[Novus America]

Why not just US our military instead. 3 army divisions is about 60,000 men. It would be much easier to use our existing troops than doubling the border patrol.

US soldiers should be defending the US, not going off on ideological crusades in a distant desert.

While I agree with the sentiment that we shouldn't be blowing up shit in a far off desert. There is no way in hell that I'm going to stand guard duty on the damn border!

Why not? It sure beats a patrol in Iraq. In the Navy we had to stand guard duty even in port in San Diego. I mean the 0300-0800 watch on a Sunday sucked serious ass, but hey, it is part of being in the military.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

If we can ensure that the military we send to the border is going to be trained as well as border patrol is trained to deal with illegal immigrants, I could get behind the idea of using our military men and women for the job.

Well the way Israel does it is the military works with their border police. The military only does patrol and observation, not the actual arrests.

I mean, what you're saying is reasonable, and with the plans that we have explored, I see a border fence far more feasible, doing basic math.

Of course, that is not an endorsement of Trump's idea. I still think his idea is unrealistic. But if it was done the way we've managed to hammer out, I'd be on board with such a policy, to be honest. It's not an unrealistic wall, at least, and it is economically feasible, especially if it is a long-term plan (which most things of these nature are wont to be).

[-Suid-Afrika-]

Yes, South Africa did as did Baathist Iraq

Iraq isn't the best example in the world.

Not currently but Baathist Iraq was a model nation for Arab nations

[Usniya]

Yes, South Africa did as did Baathist Iraq

Because those are nations we want to emulate...

Take a good look at the person you're replying to.

[Novus America]

Well the way Israel does it is the military works with their border police. The military only does patrol and observation, not the actual arrests.

Well that's better than using the military for all of it. I could get behind that. Still don't want to stand guard on the border though.

Well you do not want to use just the military, as while the military is well trained in patrol and observation, they are not trained in border policing. It is good to have a dedicated border police as well (although again the US army was the border patrol before 1924). Israel does have a border police.

[Novus America]

Well the way Israel does it is the military works with their border police. The military only does patrol and observation, not the actual arrests.

I mean, what you're saying is reasonable, and with the plans that we have explored, I see a border fence far more feasible, doing basic math.

Of course, that is not an endorsement of Trump's idea. I still think his idea is unrealistic. But if it was done the way we've managed to hammer out, I'd be on board with such a policy, to be honest. It's not an unrealistic wall, at least, and it is economically feasible, especially if it is a long-term plan (which most things of these nature are wont to be).

Well yes, Trump is a dumbass. Who knows jack shit about border policy. He is all about sound bites, not actual policy.

[Thermodolia]

While I agree with the sentiment that we shouldn't be blowing up shit in a far off desert. There is no way in hell that I'm going to stand guard duty on the damn border!

Why not? It sure beats a patrol in Iraq. In the Navy we had to stand guard duty even in port in San Diego. I mean the 0300-0800 watch on a Sunday sucked serious ass, but hey, it is part of being in the military.

Ya I know all about that. I just really hate have to stand guard duty. Hated it during basic, still hate it now. But I'd be for an Israeli type situation where the military stands guard but doesn't arrest anyone.

[Thermodolia]

Iraq isn't the best example in the world.

Not currently but Baathist Iraq was a model nation for Arab nations

Wow.

[Thermodolia]

Well that's better than using the military for all of it. I could get behind that. Still don't want to stand guard on the border though.

Well you do not want to use just the military, as while the military is well trained in patrol and observation, they are not trained in border policing. It is good to have a dedicated border police as well (although again the US army was the border patrol before 1924). Israel does have a border police.

And I'd be all for that idea.

[Crockerland]

So you want a a fucking military guarding the border!?

Yes, South Africa did as did Baathist Iraq

Excellent countries that set a great example.

Iraq isn't the best example in the world.

Not currently but Baathist Iraq was a model nation for Arab nations

The Arab nations are consistently some of the worst on the planet.

America will stop sending Mexico $265,000,000 dollars a year until the wall is payed off.

So you want to get into a trade war with Mexico? Oh that will go well.

Yes, clearly, not wanting to give a country 265,000,000 dollars a year for free while they do next to nothing to enforce the border = wanting to be in a trade war.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

if America adopts a strict isolationist foreign policy dissolves NATO and pulls out of NAFTA and ends borrowing from China and allows immigrants from countries east Asia and India to fill jobs as engineers and other necessary roles a border like the one I propose can be achieved.

Never gonna happen.

[Novus America]

Why not? It sure beats a patrol in Iraq. In the Navy we had to stand guard duty even in port in San Diego. I mean the 0300-0800 watch on a Sunday sucked serious ass, but hey, it is part of being in the military.

Ya I know all about that. I just really hate have to stand guard duty. Hated it during basic, still hate it now. But I'd be for an Israeli type situation where the military stands guard but doesn't arrest anyone.

Fair enough, I assume you are not an MP and thus not trained nor equipped to make arrests. Thus I think the Israel situation is best, where the military and border police work together so the military does not have to do work it is not properly trained to do.

I mean yeah, guard duty sucks sometimes. The early morning watch on Sunday always seriously sucks. But patrolling up and down the border sure beats patrolling in Iraq.

[Thermodolia]

Yes, South Africa did as did Baathist Iraq

Excellent countries that set a great example.

Not currently but Baathist Iraq was a model nation for Arab nations

The Arab nations are consistently some of the worst on the planet.

So you want to get into a trade war with Mexico? Oh that will go well.

Yes, clearly, not wanting to give a country 265,000,000 dollars a year for free while they do next to nothing to enforce the border = wanting to be in a trade war.

We don't give Mexico 265 million a year for nothing. It's all apart of NAFTA.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yes, South Africa did as did Baathist Iraq

Excellent countries that set a great example.

Not currently but Baathist Iraq was a model nation for Arab nations

The Arab nations are consistently some of the worst on the planet.

So you want to get into a trade war with Mexico? Oh that will go well.

Yes, clearly, not wanting to give a country 265,000,000 dollars a year for free while they do next to nothing to enforce the border = wanting to be in a trade war.

We don't necessarily need to cut off trading with Mexico for the wall, either.

That's only going to hurt us, anyways.

[Runeria]

I think it's pretty clear that what Trump means by making Mexico pay for it is that revenue from tarriffs he would impose on imports from Mexico would contribute to building the wall. The reason he doesn't explain this properly is because, A. he's an idiot, and B. that doesn't have nearly as much pazazz.

It's all about pazazz, folks

[Thermodolia]

Ya I know all about that. I just really hate have to stand guard duty. Hated it during basic, still hate it now. But I'd be for an Israeli type situation where the military stands guard but doesn't arrest anyone.

Fair enough, I assume you are not an MP and thus not trained nor equipped to make arrests. Thus I think the Israel situation is best, where the military and border police work together so the military does not have to do work it is not properly trained to do.

I mean yeah, guard duty sucks sometimes. The early morning watch on Sunday always seriously sucks. But patrolling up and down the border sure beats patrolling in Iraq.

68W or combat medic. True dat, at least I'm closer to home.

[Thermodolia]

I think it's pretty clear that what Trump means by making Mexico pay for it is that revenue from tarriffs he would impose on imports from Mexico would contribute to building the wall. The reason he doesn't explain this properly is because, A. he's an idiot, and B. that doesn't have nearly as much pazazz.

It's all about pazazz, folks

If we put tarriffs on Mexico they would stop shipping anything to us.

[Crockerland]

Excellent countries that set a great example.

The Arab nations are consistently some of the worst on the planet.

Yes, clearly, not wanting to give a country 265,000,000 dollars a year for free while they do next to nothing to enforce the border = wanting to be in a trade war.

We don't necessarily need to cut off trading with Mexico for the wall, either.

Good thing I never said we did.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Ya I know all about that. I just really hate have to stand guard duty. Hated it during basic, still hate it now. But I'd be for an Israeli type situation where the military stands guard but doesn't arrest anyone.

Fair enough, I assume you are not an MP and thus not trained nor equipped to make arrests. Thus I think the Israel situation is best, where the military and border police work together so the military does not have to do work it is not properly trained to do.

I mean yeah, guard duty sucks sometimes. The early morning watch on Sunday always seriously sucks. But patrolling up and down the border sure beats patrolling in Iraq.

I mean, one of the things that are a big risk is cartel violence, but even that's just a tick at the border these days.