A wall needs to be built but not by Mexico

[Novus America]

14.4 billion a year on Border Patrol is not a big deal. I am sure the border patrol also has way to many lawyers and administrators as well.

Well, 14.4 is just the cost involved into making the Bush border, the same way he had it planned today, using the same contractors, same fencing company, with the same price per mile of fence, and so on, and assuming we build it from scratch. Keeping everything as it was back in 2006, it'd cost us 10.4 billion dollars to erect a wall Bush-style, finishing the fencing he started and expanding this to the entire border.

Still, the costs are actually not that prohibitive. Israel also uses their army to help patrol the border, which would save money as we already have soldiers we pay.

[The Texan Union]

Why?

globalization is destroying economies and cultures all over the world making China and Russia more powerful but other nations weaker.

You can not be serious.

[Novus America]

What if -and bear with me here- we build a giant wall to keep the Mexicans out and then we take our criminals and offer them a choice: Go to prison/death, or join the Border Watch and defend America valiantly from any Mexican trespassers. However over time the watch will likely lose its potency as the Mexican becomes more and more a myth to those North of the wall.

I would assume you mean take the non-violent criminals right? Also, isn't this a video game?

It is a Game of Thrones reference.

[-Suid-Afrika-]

globalization is destroying economies and cultures all over the world making China and Russia more powerful but other nations weaker.

You can not be serious.

I am globalization is destruction

[Thermodolia]

The US economy is based on global trade. Where the fuck do you think all of our shit is made?!

Actually trade in foreign goods is 21.2% of the US economy. Not even close to a majority. Not that I am advocating an end to trade. But our economy is not actually based on global, but internal trade.

Your right, but when I wrote that comment I had the Financial and services industries in my head. Which would pretty much be all but destroyed.

[Novus America]

No.

A wall does not need to be built at all.

It's expensive, requires consistent maintenance and would be infective to keeping drugs out.

What if -and bear with me here- we build a giant wall to keep the Mexicans out and then we take our criminals and offer them a choice: Go to prison/death, or join the Border Watch and defend America valiantly from any Mexican trespassers. However over time the watch will likely lose its potency as the Mexican becomes more and more a myth to those North of the wall.

Yeah, but where do we get the sorcerers to make the wall of magic ice?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well, 14.4 is just the cost involved into making the Bush border, the same way he had it planned today, using the same contractors, same fencing company, with the same price per mile of fence, and so on, and assuming we build it from scratch. Keeping everything as it was back in 2006, it'd cost us 10.4 billion dollars to erect a wall Bush-style, finishing the fencing he started and expanding this to the entire border.

Still, the costs are actually not that prohibitive. Israel also uses their army to help patrol the border, which would save money as we already have soldiers we pay.

Well, Israel uses soldiers to patrol the border because they are in a sorta-kinda war with Palestine.

What we could do is expand Border Patrol from 64 thousand members, to about 120 thousand members. Of course, this would imply slow expansion of Border Patrol over the years. Doubling the force is no easy task, considering.

[Mike the Progressive]

What if -and bear with me here- we build a giant wall to keep the Mexicans out and then we take our criminals and offer them a choice: Go to prison/death, or join the Border Watch and defend America valiantly from any Mexican trespassers. However over time the watch will likely lose its potency as the Mexican becomes more and more a myth to those North of the wall.

Yeah, but where do we get the sorcerers to make the wall of magic ice?

China. They made gunpowder, by Mohammad Ali's butthole, they can make ice walls, too.

[Thermodolia]

Why?

globalization is destroying economies and cultures all over the world making China and Russia more powerful but other nations weaker.

China holds a good chunk of our debt, produce most of our shit, and is our biggest trading partner, if I'm not mistaken. Going full Best Korea would plunge the entire world into chaos.

[-Suid-Afrika-]

Still, the costs are actually not that prohibitive. Israel also uses their army to help patrol the border, which would save money as we already have soldiers we pay.

Well, Israel uses soldiers to patrol the border because they are in a sorta-kinda war with Palestine.

What we could do is expand Border Patrol from 64 thousand members, to about 120 thousand members.

or disband it and recreate something to replace it, instead of suburbans we should use technicals and small APCs

[The Texan Union]

You can not be serious.

I am globalization is destruction

Then stop participating in it. Get off the internet.

If you refuse to accept facts, then you can not be helped. Goodbye.

[Novus America]

Actually trade in foreign goods is 21.2% of the US economy. Not even close to a majority. Not that I am advocating an end to trade. But our economy is not actually based on global, but internal trade.

Your right, but when I wrote that comment I had the Financial and services industries in my head. Which would pretty much be all but destroyed.

Even when you include financial and service industries foreign trade is only 28 percent of the total US economy.

(Source is World Bank).

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well, Israel uses soldiers to patrol the border because they are in a sorta-kinda war with Palestine.

What we could do is expand Border Patrol from 64 thousand members, to about 120 thousand members.

or disband it and recreate something to replace it, instead of suburbans we should use technicals and small APCs

You got anything serious to contribute other than masturbatory fantasies of killing other human beings en masse?

[Thermodolia]

Your right, but when I wrote that comment I had the Financial and services industries in my head. Which would pretty much be all but destroyed.

Even when you include financial and service industries foreign trade is only 28 percent of the total US economy.

(Source is World Bank).

Let me rephrase. I was only thinking about those sectors of the economy when I wrote that comment.

[Novus America]

Still, the costs are actually not that prohibitive. Israel also uses their army to help patrol the border, which would save money as we already have soldiers we pay.

Well, Israel uses soldiers to patrol the border because they are in a sorta-kinda war with Palestine.

What we could do is expand Border Patrol from 64 thousand members, to about 120 thousand members. Of course, this would imply slow expansion of Border Patrol over the years. Doubling the force is no easy task, considering.

Why not just US our military instead. 3 army divisions is about 60,000 men. It would be much easier to use our existing troops than doubling the border patrol.

US soldiers should be defending the US, not going off on ideological crusades in a distant desert.

[The Texan Union]

or disband it and recreate something to replace it, instead of suburbans we should use technicals and small APCs

You got anything serious to contribute other than masturbatory fantasies of killing other human beings en masse?

Pfft, Mexicans aren't people!

[Thermodolia]

Well, Israel uses soldiers to patrol the border because they are in a sorta-kinda war with Palestine.

What we could do is expand Border Patrol from 64 thousand members, to about 120 thousand members.

or disband it and recreate something to replace it, instead of suburbans we should use technicals and small APCs

So you want a a fucking military guarding the border!?

[Novus America]

Even when you include financial and service industries foreign trade is only 28 percent of the total US economy.

(Source is World Bank).

Let me rephrase. I was only thinking about those sectors of the economy when I wrote that comment.

Fair enough. My point is simply that cutting off all foreign trade (a stupid idea) would eliminate 28% of the US economy. Which would be very bad. But the majority of the US economy is actually not based on foreign trade.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well, Israel uses soldiers to patrol the border because they are in a sorta-kinda war with Palestine.

What we could do is expand Border Patrol from 64 thousand members, to about 120 thousand members. Of course, this would imply slow expansion of Border Patrol over the years. Doubling the force is no easy task, considering.

Why not just US our military instead. 3 army divisions is about 60,000 men. It would be much easier to use our existing troops than doubling the border patrol.

US soldiers should be defending the US, not going off on ideological crusades in a distant desert.

If we can ensure that the military we send to the border is going to be trained as well as border patrol is trained to deal with illegal immigrants, I could get behind the idea of using our military men and women for the job.

[Thermodolia]

Well, Israel uses soldiers to patrol the border because they are in a sorta-kinda war with Palestine.

What we could do is expand Border Patrol from 64 thousand members, to about 120 thousand members. Of course, this would imply slow expansion of Border Patrol over the years. Doubling the force is no easy task, considering.

Why not just US our military instead. 3 army divisions is about 60,000 men. It would be much easier to use our existing troops than doubling the border patrol.

US soldiers should be defending the US, not going off on ideological crusades in a distant desert.

While I agree with the sentiment that we shouldn't be blowing up shit in a far off desert. There is no way in hell that I'm going to stand guard duty on the damn border!

[Crockerland]

A wall needs to be built but what Trump doesn't realise in his delusional speeches is Mexico cannot afford it and this will lead to more illegals in America. Mexico is already a failed nation this is why illegals are rushing in a wall will further this, also I doubt they have the technology to build a good wall like the Korean DMZ or the Berlin wall. And I doubt Mexico could staff it properly. Also how can America force Mexico to pay? Threatning a war I doubt that'll go well.

America will stop sending Mexico $265,000,000 dollars a year until the wall is payed off.

[The Texan Union]

or disband it and recreate something to replace it, instead of suburbans we should use technicals and small APCs

So you want a a fucking military guarding the border!?

They're fascist, clearly. There is no other explanation for the way that they ignore the facts, hate for no legitimate reason, and immediately resort to murder as a solution.

[-Suid-Afrika-]

Well, Israel uses soldiers to patrol the border because they are in a sorta-kinda war with Palestine.

What we could do is expand Border Patrol from 64 thousand members, to about 120 thousand members. Of course, this would imply slow expansion of Border Patrol over the years. Doubling the force is no easy task, considering.

Why not just US our military instead. 3 army divisions is about 60,000 men. It would be much easier to use our existing troops than doubling the border patrol.

US soldiers should be defending the US, not going off on ideological crusades in a distant desert.

exactly

[Novus America]

or disband it and recreate something to replace it, instead of suburbans we should use technicals and small APCs

So you want a a fucking military guarding the border!?

While I obviously disagree with him on most things, and I have no idea why he hates Mexicans, having a military guard the border is not a big deal. The border patrol was founded in 1924. Before that the US Army guarded the US borders. For over 100 years.

[Thermodolia]

Let me rephrase. I was only thinking about those sectors of the economy when I wrote that comment.

Fair enough. My point is simply that cutting off all foreign trade (a stupid idea) would eliminate 28% of the US economy. Which would be very bad. But the majority of the US economy is actually not based on foreign trade.

Didn't know that. But the financial and service industries are based on foreign trade and investment. But still it's all just semantics