A wall needs to be built but not by Mexico

[Novus America]

Well yes, but that is due to mismanagement, not a lack of funds.

I know that. I'm not saying it's not financially feasible, I'm saying that the government is too stupid to construct such a project let alone maintain it.

Well that is a fair argument. They would probably just hire an army of lawyers and paper pushes instead of actually building anything. Because that is what our government does.

[The Texan Union]

if America adopts a strict isolationist foreign policy dissolves NATO and pulls out of NAFTA and ends borrowing from China and allows immigrants from countries east Asia and India to fill jobs as engineers and other necessary roles a border like the one I propose can be achieved.

[-Suid-Afrika-]

if America adopts a strict isolationist foreign policy dissolves NATO and pulls out of NAFTA and ends borrowing from China and allows immigrants from countries east Asia and India to fill jobs as engineers and other necessary roles a border like the one I propose can be achieved.

You do realize that what you are proposing would kill the US financially and bankrupt us?

You do realise that's what you think based on bloated pro-globalization reports?

[Neutraligon]

Further, on the topic of general immigration, why not have a system where you can only move here easily if you work in education for jobs where we have a shortage of workers? For example coding teachers. We shouldn't import new workers in high paying jobs. Instead, one would take all those who can teach a needed trade, let them work in the US temporarily, and make them donate part of their time to educating impoverished people to learn the trade.

Because we want other people to work here as well. Those who are good at high paying jobs might not be good teachers. We want the best and the brightest working here, because the things they do or make will enrich America

[Thermodolia]

Ok so that basically means that when you turn 18 you'd have to become a US citizen in order to vote.

No. There are countless possible citizenship laws besides "muh derp you were born here here's a card derp derp" Why not say you have to be the child of two parents who have legally inhabited the US for 5 years and at least one parent needing to be a citizen? If you are born outside of the US, the two parents would still need to have lived in the US legally for 5 years and still one parent would need to be a citizen. Simple enough to me.

Hell no! I want my kids to have automatic citizenship. And frankly I don't care about anchor babies.

[-Suid-Afrika-]

Further, on the topic of general immigration, why not have a system where you can only move here easily if you work in education for jobs where we have a shortage of workers? For example coding teachers. We shouldn't import new workers in high paying jobs. Instead, one would take all those who can teach a needed trade, let them work in the US temporarily, and make them donate part of their time to educating impoverished people to learn the trade.

Sure but not for Mexicans

[Novus America]

1.2 billion dollars is nothing compared to the total US budget. The US spends 10.5 billion dollars a day.

Right now we're spending 13.56 billion on border patrol per year, with over 62,000 employees:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Cust ... Protection

Also, those would be 11.3 billion dollars on 2006 dollars. To finish Bush's wall at the border would cost us, right now, about 4 billion dollars, just the Bush plan of 700 miles.

Using Bush's plans to expand it over the border, thus:

5.04 (today's cost of 2006 wall as estimated, accounting for inflation (1USD-2006=1.2USD-2016)*2.857 = 14.4 billion dollars. We should keep in mind this is just setup under Bush. Maintenance is the hard part to actually calculate.

14.4 billion a year on Border Patrol is not a big deal. I am sure the border patrol also has way to many lawyers and administrators as well.

[Neutraligon]

Further, on the topic of general immigration, why not have a system where you can only move here easily if you work in education for jobs where we have a shortage of workers? For example coding teachers. We shouldn't import new workers in high paying jobs. Instead, one would take all those who can teach a needed trade, let them work in the US temporarily, and make them donate part of their time to educating impoverished people to learn the trade.

Sure but not for Mexicans

As I have said previously you do not seem willing to overcome your prejudice against Mexicans.

[Jumalariik]

Further, on the topic of general immigration, why not have a system where you can only move here easily if you work in education for jobs where we have a shortage of workers? For example coding teachers. We shouldn't import new workers in high paying jobs. Instead, one would take all those who can teach a needed trade, let them work in the US temporarily, and make them donate part of their time to educating impoverished people to learn the trade.

Because we want other people to work here as well. Those who are good at high paying jobs might not be good teachers.

Well I meant that we'd only take in those who can teach those trades. We wouldn't take in just any coders, but take instead the people who can teach coding. They would need to use 15% of work time to teach coding to unemployed Americans for free in return for 15% of their pay for that amount of that work ordinarily.

[Thermodolia]

You do realize that what you are proposing would kill the US financially and bankrupt us?

You do realise that's what you think based on bloated pro-globalization reports?

The US economy is based on global trade. Where the fuck do you think all of our shit is made?!

[Mike the Progressive]

No.

A wall does not need to be built at all.

It's expensive, requires consistent maintenance and would be infective to keeping drugs out.

What if -and bear with me here- we build a giant wall to keep the Mexicans out and then we take our criminals and offer them a choice: Go to prison/death, or join the Border Watch and defend America valiantly from any Mexican trespassers. However over time the watch will likely lose its potency as the Mexican becomes more and more a myth to those North of the wall.

[Flaskjinia]

This guy gets it.

The Mexican government said fuck no

Please refer to my first post and refute it in a more articulate manner.

[Neutraligon]

No.

A wall does not need to be built at all.

It's expensive, requires consistent maintenance and would be infective to keeping drugs out.

What if -and bear with me here- we build a giant wall to keep the Mexicans out and then we take our criminals and offer them a choice: Go to prison/death, or join the Border Watch and defend America valiantly from any Mexican trespassers. However over time the watch will likely lose its potency as the Mexican becomes more and more a myth to those North of the wall.

I would assume you mean take the non-violent criminals right? Also, isn't this a video game?

[Thermodolia]

Right now we're spending 13.56 billion on border patrol per year, with over 62,000 employees:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Cust ... Protection

Also, those would be 11.3 billion dollars on 2006 dollars. To finish Bush's wall at the border would cost us, right now, about 4 billion dollars, just the Bush plan of 700 miles.

Using Bush's plans to expand it over the border, thus:

5.04 (today's cost of 2006 wall as estimated, accounting for inflation (1USD-2006=1.2USD-2016)*2.857 = 14.4 billion dollars. We should keep in mind this is just setup under Bush. Maintenance is the hard part to actually calculate.

14.4 billion a year on Border Patrol is not a big deal. I am sure the border patrol also has way to many lawyers and administrators as well.

Well that's because they get sued more times then there are seconds in the day.

[The Texan Union]

Further, on the topic of general immigration, why not have a system where you can only move here easily if you work in education for jobs where we have a shortage of workers? For example coding teachers. We shouldn't import new workers in high paying jobs. Instead, one would take all those who can teach a needed trade, let them work in the US temporarily, and make them donate part of their time to educating impoverished people to learn the trade.

Sure but not for Mexicans

So THIS is the kind of person who lets fascists take over.

[-Suid-Afrika-]

You do realise that's what you think based on bloated pro-globalization reports?

The US economy is based on global trade. Where the fuck do you think all of our shit is made?!

This needs to change

[Thermodolia]

The Mexican government said fuck no

Please refer to my first post and refute it in a more articulate manner.

The Mexican government literally said that they aren't fucking paying for the wall.

[Neutraligon]

Sure but not for Mexicans

So THIS is the kind of person who lets fascists take over.

No, no, no it's ok as long as it's my prejudice.

[Neutraligon]

The US economy is based on global trade. Where the fuck do you think all of our shit is made?!

This needs to change

Why?

[Thermodolia]

The US economy is based on global trade. Where the fuck do you think all of our shit is made?!

This needs to change

All most all of the US population does not want to become the next Best Korea.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Right now we're spending 13.56 billion on border patrol per year, with over 62,000 employees:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Cust ... Protection

Also, those would be 11.3 billion dollars on 2006 dollars. To finish Bush's wall at the border would cost us, right now, about 4 billion dollars, just the Bush plan of 700 miles.

Using Bush's plans to expand it over the border, thus:

5.04 (today's cost of 2006 wall as estimated, accounting for inflation (1USD-2006=1.2USD-2016)*2.857 = 14.4 billion dollars. We should keep in mind this is just setup under Bush. Maintenance is the hard part to actually calculate.

14.4 billion a year on Border Patrol is not a big deal. I am sure the border patrol also has way to many lawyers and administrators as well.

Well, 14.4 billion is just the cost involved into making the Bush border, the same way he had it planned today, using the same contractors, same fencing company, with the same price per mile of fence, and so on, and assuming we build it from scratch. Keeping everything as it was back in 2006, it'd cost us 10.4 billion dollars to erect a wall Bush-style, finishing the fencing he started and expanding this to the entire border.

Let's say, including maintenance of the old border, that it'd cost us 13 billion dollars to finish Bush's project.

As it stands, border patrol's budget is just 13.56 billion dollars a year.

[Novus America]

You do realise that's what you think based on bloated pro-globalization reports?

The US economy is based on global trade. Where the fuck do you think all of our shit is made?!

Actually trade in foreign goods is 21.2% of the US economy. Not even close to a majority. Not that I am advocating an end to trade. But our economy is not actually based on global, but internal trade.

[Mike the Progressive]

What if -and bear with me here- we build a giant wall to keep the Mexicans out and then we take our criminals and offer them a choice: Go to prison/death, or join the Border Watch and defend America valiantly from any Mexican trespassers. However over time the watch will likely lose its potency as the Mexican becomes more and more a myth to those North of the wall.

I would assume you mean take the non-violent criminals right? Also, isn't this a video game?

No, I mean everybody. Murderers, rapists and thieves.

And no it's not based on a fucking video game. Where the fuck is my facepalm emoticon?

[-Suid-Afrika-]

This needs to change

Why?

globalization is destroying economies and cultures all over the world making China and Russia more powerful but other nations weaker.

[Jumalariik]

Further, on the topic of general immigration, why not have a system where you can only move here easily if you work in education for jobs where we have a shortage of workers? For example coding teachers. We shouldn't import new workers in high paying jobs. Instead, one would take all those who can teach a needed trade, let them work in the US temporarily, and make them donate part of their time to educating impoverished people to learn the trade.

Sure but not for Mexicans

Why not? If Mexicans can show themselves to be a net benefit to society and do not come in enough quantity to end American culture, why not let them in?