A wall needs to be built but not by Mexico

[-Suid-Afrika-]

I have a reason but I refuse to share it

Umm that is not helpful and not convincing at all.

Maybe it isn't but it's my secret, I never shared my hatred before to this many people just a few close friends and they know why but this reason is a secret

[Neutraligon]

Umm that is not helpful and not convincing at all.

Maybe it isn't but it's my secret, I never shared my hatred before to this many people just a few close friends and they know why but this reason is a secret

As I said even if you had a personal experience with a Mexican, you then generalizing your hatred to all Mexicans is a rather silly thing to do. About those statistics....

[Songjiang]

The wall is brain dead idea just increase manned border security, give the the resources needed to monitor and deport visa's that have stayed to long, and to track and deport anyone found entering by any means but a legal one. while we are at it we should also streamline the immigration system so its actually possible to legally immigrate to the US in a single lifetime. Also any immigrants found who are known members of criminal organizations should be arrested and detained in the United States for all crimes they have committed including those committed in Mexico or others (as long as it would be illigal in both the nation and the US) just to make it harder for the criminals to conduct human trafficking.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I know enough about fences to tell you that, unless you buy fencing from Home Depot, your fence is a lot more expensive than what you think it'd be. I can do the math if you want for a fence like the one Bush did, which is basically what you'd have to do in order to cover 2000 miles of land on various environments. I can also do it based on home depot fencing quality.

Also, highways are one layer of asphalt over the ground. The wall is not. Also, just saying "BUT MAINTENANCE!" is really not doing you any favors. That's cost you should be THINKING while doing a fence, not just go "BUT MUH MAINTENANCE!". Surely you're not thinking maintenance of 2000 miles of quality fencing are cheap to maintain, yes?

Israel can afford and maintain a border fence. I am sure we can as well. It would not be cheap. But would not break the bank either.

It's 440 miles.

It'd cost us... let's say 4.5 times more than it costs Israel to maintain theirs, assuming we can do a wall exactly like Israel's in our territory, counting maintenance.

[-Suid-Afrika-]

Maybe it isn't but it's my secret, I never shared my hatred before to this many people just a few close friends and they know why but this reason is a secret

As I said even if you had a personal experience with a Mexican, you then generalizing your hatred to all Mexicans is a rather silly thing to do. About those statistics....

That's not important but prevention is

[Socialist Nordia]

Umm that is not helpful and not convincing at all.

Maybe it isn't but it's my secret, I never shared my hatred before to this many people just a few close friends and they know why but this reason is a secret

You see, since you have no reasons that could be shared, or that are grounded in facts, no one here is inclined to take you seriously at all. See how that works?

[Western Dakota]

So basically you have no idea or reason why you hate Mexicans?

I have a reason but I'm not sharing it

Honestly, unless your reason is that every single Mexican (all 122.3 million of them) harmed you in some shape or form, you're reason is almost definitely going to be a pretty stupid one.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well then maybe I should buy a lottery ticket too, and wish a pink unicorn would appear while at it.

Also, I am not a "progressive liberal". Honestly, I don't know why do you seem to think I actually am one.

And this is why I can't take you seriously anymore.

And I should care that you do take me seriously, why?

You can't even make convincing arguments. If you have that much problem with me, go ahead and put me on your foes list. It's there for a reason. But don't waste my time saying stupid, half-baked bullshit you can't even try to reason through.

[Neutraligon]

As I said even if you had a personal experience with a Mexican, you then generalizing your hatred to all Mexicans is a rather silly thing to do. About those statistics....

That's not important but prevention is

Prevention of what, or are you talking about the statistics not being important? Your reason if something that happened to only you, is indeed unimportant, just the fact that it is only one incident and that it then made you hate all Mexicans is the problem, since you are then stereotyping every Mexican as what you hate.

[Thermodolia]

Build one on the border of Guatamala. Claim this as casus-belli to annex Mexico, and then North America.

All hail the NAU!

[-Suid-Afrika-]

I have a reason but I'm not sharing it

Honestly, unless your reason is that every single Mexican (all 122.3 million of them) harmed you in some shape or form, you're reason is almost definitely going to be a pretty stupid one.

Yeah, I know if I shared it you all would think it's totally stupid and it is but I can't help myself it's an innerstruggle.

[Neutraligon]

Honestly, unless your reason is that every single Mexican (all 122.3 million of them) harmed you in some shape or form, you're reason is almost definitely going to be a pretty stupid one.

Yeah, I know if I shared it you all would think it's totally stupid and it is but I can't help myself it's an innerstruggle.

One you are apparently failing considering the things you have said in this thread.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I know enough about fences to tell you that, unless you buy fencing from Home Depot, your fence is a lot more expensive than what you think it'd be. I can do the math if you want for a fence like the one Bush did, which is basically what you'd have to do in order to cover 2000 miles of land on various environments. I can also do it based on home depot fencing quality.

Also, highways are one layer of asphalt over the ground. The wall is not. Also, just saying "BUT MAINTENANCE!" is really not doing you any favors. That's cost you should be THINKING while doing a fence, not just go "BUT MUH MAINTENANCE!". Surely you're not thinking maintenance of 2000 miles of quality fencing are cheap to maintain, yes?

I can't even take this seriously. You haven't even done the math. You're just whining for the sake of whining. Home Depot quality? Are you kidding me? I'm done. This is just too silly to even take seriously anymore.

I've already said that our fence is 2,000 miles. No other border security project is even comparable. So unless you have an idea of how we're going to be building a 2,000 mile fence in our territory, along with the materials, don't waste my time. You don't have any idea how to do it yourself, so don't expect me to buy your idea that it is feasible. Novus America is at least making a more reasonable argument than you for the wall.

[Flaskjinia]

I feel there is, overall, a lack of understanding in this thread regarding Trump's approach to having the wall payed for by Mexico. It is more plausible that he can get Mexico to pay for the wall than you think. I'm not necessarily taking a side here, but I think it is important to understand how Trump would attempt to get Mexico to pay for a prospective 5,500 mile wall (although natural figures take away from this figure.)

There is an overblown issue of money transfers from the United States to Mexico being completely void tax and lacking regulation. This has allowed an estimated loss of 120 billion dollars ($17 billion a year) that we know of, drained from the US economy by illegal immigrants. Trump will use this as leverage to initiate a trade war with Mexico if his demands are not met. Trump also claims that Mexico is engaging in "unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated in the loss of thousands of U.S. jobs."

More extreme measures would likely follow if tariffs and quota restrictions prove ineffective. These measures would include: Cancelling visas, Increasing visa fees to pay for the wall, etc.

Trump feels that Mexico should pay for the wall, in short, because its people have exploited the weak US-Mexico boarder, and its government has openly promoted this exploitation.

[Novus America]

Israel can afford and maintain a border fence. I am sure we can as well. It would not be cheap. But would not break the bank either.

It's 440 miles.

It'd cost us... let's say 4.5 times more than it costs Israel to maintain theirs, assuming we can do a wall exactly like Israel's in our territory, counting maintenance.

Yes, it would.
Israel GDP, $305 billion.

US GDP. 18 trillion.

We have way more the 4.5 times the GDP so it would cost us much less relative to our economy.

[The Texan Union]

Umm that is not helpful and not convincing at all.

Maybe it isn't but it's my secret, I never shared my hatred before to this many people just a few close friends and they know why but this reason is a secret

Whatever personal reason you have cannot be applied to Mexicans as a whole. I know and love quite a few Mexican people, myself.

Not all Mexicans are drug lords.
Not all African Americans are gang members.
Not all Asians are hyper-intelligent.
Not all Native Americans are drunks.
Not all Caucasian people are imperialist pigs.

Etc.

Please, treat everyone as an individual, rather than a member of a faceless group.

[Thermodolia]

Build one on the border of Guatamala. Claim this as casus-belli to annex Mexico, and then North America.

There's already a wall there. It doesn't work.

That's because there is no wall on the Mexican-Guatamalan border.

[Neutraligon]

I can't even take this seriously. You haven't even done the math. You're just whining for the sake of whining. Home Depot quality? Are you kidding me? I'm done. This is just too silly to even take seriously anymore.

I've already said that our fence is 2,000 miles. No other border security project is even comparable. So unless you have an idea of how we're going to be building a 2,000 mile fence in our territory, along with the materials, don't waste my time.

Mind getting the numbers for the one planned by Bush? just the cost of constructing it. Separately it would be interesting to see the cost of manning it, and the cost of maintenance but I am more interested in the Bush one.

[Western Dakota]

Honestly, unless your reason is that every single Mexican (all 122.3 million of them) harmed you in some shape or form, you're reason is almost definitely going to be a pretty stupid one.

Yeah, I know if I shared it you all would think it's totally stupid and it is but I can't help myself it's an innerstruggle.

Honestly, if you truly want to stop being biased the best way would be to go out and meet some Mexicans and see that they're good people too.

[-Suid-Afrika-]

Yeah, I know if I shared it you all would think it's totally stupid and it is but I can't help myself it's an innerstruggle.

One you are apparently failing considering the things you have said in this thread.

I know it took me a while to admit to myself I'm a racist but I live with it concealing it in real life

[Thermodolia]

It's 440 miles.

It'd cost us... let's say 4.5 times more than it costs Israel to maintain theirs, assuming we can do a wall exactly like Israel's in our territory, counting maintenance.

Yes, it would.
Israel GDP, $305 billion.

US GDP. 18 trillion.

We have way more the 4.5 times the GDP so it would cost us much less relative to our economy.

Yet we still can't provide for our Vets or fix our crumbling infrastructure.

[-Suid-Afrika-]

Yeah, I know if I shared it you all would think it's totally stupid and it is but I can't help myself it's an innerstruggle.

Honestly, if you truly want to stop being biased the best way would be to go out and meet some Mexicans and see that they're good people too.

it's not like that

[Neutraligon]

I feel there is, overall, a lack of understanding in this thread regarding Trump's approach to having the wall payed for by Mexico. It is more plausible that he can get Mexico to pay for the wall than you think. I'm not necessarily taking a side here, but I think it is important to understand how Trump would attempt to get Mexico to pay for a prospective 5,500 mile wall (although natural figures take away from this figure.)

There is an overblown issue of money transfers from the United States to Mexico being completely void tax and lacking regulation. This has allowed an estimated loss of 120 billion dollars ($17 billion a year) that we know of, drained from the US economy by illegal immigrants. Trump will use this as leverage to initiate a trade war with Mexico if his demands are not met. Trump also claims that Mexico is engaging in "unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated in the loss of thousands of U.S. jobs."

More extreme measures would likely follow if tariffs and quota restrictions prove ineffective. These measures would include: Cancelling visas, Increasing visa fees to pay for the wall, etc.

Trump feels that Mexico should pay for the wall, in short, because its people have exploited the weak US-Mexico boarder, and its government has openly promoted this exploitation.

First of, please source that the money being sent to Mexico is being sent by illegal immigrants. Second please source the amount that is being lost. Third please tell my why it would be legal to take that money being sent, and how it would be taken. Next Trump bases that claim on what (trump is a known liar so I do not trust anything he claims).

Visa cancellations and fee increases would make the matter worse, not better.

[Socialist Nordia]

Honestly, if you truly want to stop being biased the best way would be to go out and meet some Mexicans and see that they're good people too.

it's not like that

So what's your plan then? To never try to change? You still have quite a way to go if you're not willing to meet a Mexican.

[Novus America]

Yes, it would.
Israel GDP, $305 billion.

US GDP. 18 trillion.

We have way more the 4.5 times the GDP so it would cost us much less relative to our economy.

Yet we still can't provide for our Vets or fix our crumbling infrastructure.

Well we spend a lot of money on vets. We just boosted VA spending to address the problem. And the VA hired more lawyers an administrators, NOT doctors or nurses. We have plenty of money. We just suck at properly spending it.

We have the money to do a lot of things. We just spend it poorly.