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Postby -Suid-Afrika- » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:06 pm

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Do you have any reason to think that Mexicans are inferior, or do you just have some strange, irrational phobia of Mexicans? Of course you don't have a reason, you're just bigoted as fuck.

I have a reason but I refuse to share it
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Postby Unified Governments » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:07 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Unified Governments wrote:You're essentially implying that we're as corrupt as Mexico. "They bribed their way out of jail there and they'll do the same here!"

We don't have Mexican levels of corruption. Stop making useless points, for fucks' sake.


The point is not that we're as corrupt as Mexico.

The point is that there's no real comparison. Read, god damnit.

Perhaps you should read, since you seem to be lacking in reading comprehension.

I wasn't making a comparison. I was saying she should have laws like that.

And what? Are you, as "progressive liberal", afraid to experiment and try new things? Why not try out new illegal immigration laws?
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:07 pm

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greed and death wrote:And what about Tejanos ?

well Texas is like South Africa and from what I understand Tejanos fought off Mexicans like the Oranje republic fought the Boer war

Quick question: how do you feel about apartheid?
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Postby -Suid-Afrika- » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:08 pm

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-Suid-Afrika- wrote:well Texas is like South Africa and from what I understand Tejanos fought off Mexicans like the Oranje republic fought the Boer war

Quick question: how do you feel about apartheid?

against for blacks I just think South African history is interesting
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Postby Deladara » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:08 pm

-Suid-Afrika- wrote:A wall needs to be built but what Trump doesn't realise in his delusional speeches is Mexico cannot afford it and this will lead to more illegals in America. Mexico is already a failed nation this is why illegals are rushing in a wall will further this, also I doubt they have the technology to build a good wall like the Korean DMZ or the Berlin wall. And I doubt Mexico could staff it properly. Also how can America force Mexico to pay? Threatning a war I doubt that'll go well.

So what are your thoughts?

My thoughts are we don't need a wall period. Don't get me wrong, I hate illegals coming into this country, but if they're being a contributing member to society, then I see no problem. AS long as they don't demand too much of the rest of us, and help out the economy then great. Better than the people who sit around receiving health benefits for a bruised knee because they think the government should pay for everything, when they do nothing to earn those benefits except sit around their house all day.

It's people like those who need to get out, not the ones who actually help us, who work their tales off to earn the jobs they have.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:09 pm

-Suid-Afrika- wrote:
Socialist Nordia wrote:Do you have any reason to think that Mexicans are inferior, or do you just have some strange, irrational phobia of Mexicans? Of course you don't have a reason, you're just bigoted as fuck.

I have a reason but I refuse to share it

I'm sorry, there's no excusing hatred for an entire national group. Your proposals are based in hate, and the country shouldn't have to comply with your bigoted proposals based on a reason that shall not be named.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:10 pm

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Because one thing would fuck up your fence: weather.

Simply the mention of weather and, you know, the fact that shit rusts, is enough to say that a fence would not work. There'd be a hole in said wall unless you happen to do it like Bush did, which is basically iron poles, and even then it'd need maintenance, which costs money.

The idea of a 2,000 mile fence along the US-Mexico border is absurd. Nobody who knows about fencing would take you seriously if you say it's inexpensive, because it's bullshit.

Building a border fence would not bankrupt the country, but it'd be useless. It simply would not work.

Yes, I did, I also am saying that Bush could not finish the wall because it was way too expensive to do. And?

And here's the magical solution to your woes: maintinence

Yes, we maintain things all the time in this country. Buildings. Roads. Bridges. All of our highways are longer than the border and we pay to maintain them.

And I love the idea of you telling me I'm absurd because you're a fence expert. Are you a fence expert? Are you going to call in one and ask him to speak with me? Do you know any? I'm having a good chuckle.

You just chastised Bush for blowing money on the Iraq War. That money could have gone to border security. Do you even have a source on this?


I know enough about fences to tell you that, unless you buy fencing from Home Depot, your fence is a lot more expensive than what you think it'd be. I can do the math if you want for a fence like the one Bush did, which is basically what you'd have to do in order to cover 2000 miles of land on various environments. I can also do it based on home depot fencing quality.

Also, highways are one layer of asphalt over the ground. The wall is not. Also, just saying "BUT MAINTENANCE!" is really not doing you any favors. That's cost you should be THINKING while doing a fence, not just go "BUT MUH MAINTENANCE!". Surely you're not thinking maintenance of 2000 miles of quality fencing are cheap to maintain, yes?
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Postby Novus America » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:10 pm

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I was stationed 3 years in San Diego. Lived in Chula Vista. I am from Baltimore. Chula Vista is a a lot nicer and safer than Baltimore.


I would think there are a lot of cities that are safer than Baltimore, most parts of Baltimore are just...shit.

I wonder if I will get my statistics.


Baltimore actually was a nice city back in the 50s. So was Detroit. Before we shut down all the factories.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:10 pm

Unified Governments wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Because one thing would fuck up your fence: weather.

Simply the mention of weather and, you know, the fact that shit rusts, is enough to say that a fence would not work. There'd be a hole in said wall unless you happen to do it like Bush did, which is basically iron poles, and even then it'd need maintenance, which costs money.

The idea of a 2,000 mile fence along the US-Mexico border is absurd. Nobody who knows about fencing would take you seriously if you say it's inexpensive, because it's bullshit.

Building a border fence would not bankrupt the country, but it'd be useless. It simply would not work.

Yes, I did, I also am saying that Bush could not finish the wall because it was way too expensive to do. And?

And here's the magical solution to your woes: maintinence

Yes, we maintain things all the time in this country. Buildings. Roads. Bridges. All of our highways are longer than the border and we pay to maintain them.

And I love the idea of you telling me I'm absurd because you're a fence expert. Are you a fence expert? Are you going to call in one and ask him to speak with me? Do you know any? I'm having a good chuckle.

You just chastised Bush for blowing money on the Iraq War. That money could have gone to border security. Do you even have a source on this?


We do shit at maintaining our infrastructure in the US. We need to spend in the trillions to update our infrastructure.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:10 pm

Novus America wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
I would think there are a lot of cities that are safer than Baltimore, most parts of Baltimore are just...shit.

I wonder if I will get my statistics.


Baltimore actually was a nice city back in the 50s. So was Detroit. Before we shut down all the factories.


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Postby The Texan Union » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:11 pm

Vedilia wrote:Two double-posts in a row sets a record.
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That's pretty damn hurtful, actually. How can you make generalizations like that?

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I now regret my statement.

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Postby Novus America » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:11 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Unified Governments wrote:And here's the magical solution to your woes: maintinence

Yes, we maintain things all the time in this country. Buildings. Roads. Bridges. All of our highways are longer than the border and we pay to maintain them.

And I love the idea of you telling me I'm absurd because you're a fence expert. Are you a fence expert? Are you going to call in one and ask him to speak with me? Do you know any? I'm having a good chuckle.

You just chastised Bush for blowing money on the Iraq War. That money could have gone to border security. Do you even have a source on this?


I know enough about fences to tell you that, unless you buy fencing from Home Depot, your fence is a lot more expensive than what you think it'd be. I can do the math if you want for a fence like the one Bush did, which is basically what you'd have to do in order to cover 2000 miles of land on various environments. I can also do it based on home depot fencing quality.

Also, highways are one layer of asphalt over the ground. The wall is not. Also, just saying "BUT MAINTENANCE!" is really not doing you any favors. That's cost you should be THINKING while doing a fence, not just go "BUT MUH MAINTENANCE!". Surely you're not thinking maintenance of 2000 miles of quality fencing are cheap to maintain, yes?


Israel can afford and maintain a border fence. I am sure we can as well. It would not be cheap. But would not break the bank either.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:12 pm

-Suid-Afrika- wrote:
Socialist Nordia wrote:Do you have any reason to think that Mexicans are inferior, or do you just have some strange, irrational phobia of Mexicans? Of course you don't have a reason, you're just bigoted as fuck.

I have a reason but I refuse to share it

So basically you have no idea or reason why you hate Mexicans?
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Postby Vedilia » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:12 pm

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Vedilia wrote:Two double-posts in a row sets a record.
I now regret my statement.

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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:12 pm

-Suid-Afrika- wrote:
Socialist Nordia wrote:Do you have any reason to think that Mexicans are inferior, or do you just have some strange, irrational phobia of Mexicans? Of course you don't have a reason, you're just bigoted as fuck.

I have a reason but I refuse to share it


Even if you had a personal experience, as in where mugged or something like that, you are generalizing from 1 to infinity. I am still waiting for those statistics I asked for.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:12 pm

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The point is not that we're as corrupt as Mexico.

The point is that there's no real comparison. Read, god damnit.

Perhaps you should read, since you seem to be lacking in reading comprehension.

I wasn't making a comparison. I was saying she should have laws like that.

And what? Are you, as "progressive liberal", afraid to experiment and try new things? Why not try out new illegal immigration laws?


Well then maybe I should buy a lottery ticket too, and wish a pink unicorn would appear while at it.

Also, I am not a "progressive liberal". Honestly, I don't know why do you seem to think I actually am one.
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Postby Sitosia » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:12 pm

Build one on the border of Guatamala. Claim this as casus-belli to annex Mexico, and then North America.
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Postby -Suid-Afrika- » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:13 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
-Suid-Afrika- wrote:I have a reason but I refuse to share it

So basically you have no idea or reason why you hate Mexicans?

I have a reason but I'm not sharing it
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Postby Novus America » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:13 pm

-Suid-Afrika- wrote:
Socialist Nordia wrote:Do you have any reason to think that Mexicans are inferior, or do you just have some strange, irrational phobia of Mexicans? Of course you don't have a reason, you're just bigoted as fuck.

I have a reason but I refuse to share it


Umm that is not helpful and not convincing at all. Maybe a Mexican girls dumped you or something. This is not a basis to make policy.
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Postby Pope Joan » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:13 pm

-Suid-Afrika- wrote:A wall needs to be built but what Trump doesn't realise in his delusional speeches is Mexico cannot afford it and this will lead to more illegals in America. Mexico is already a failed nation this is why illegals are rushing in a wall will further this, also I doubt they have the technology to build a good wall like the Korean DMZ or the Berlin wall. And I doubt Mexico could staff it properly. Also how can America force Mexico to pay? Threatning a war I doubt that'll go well.

So what are your thoughts?


If Mexico is so "failed", why do more Mexicans want to leave the USA and go back there than want to come here these days? Yes, that trend has reversed
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Postby The Texan Union » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:13 pm

Unified Governments wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
The point is not that we're as corrupt as Mexico.

The point is that there's no real comparison. Read, god damnit.

Perhaps you should read, since you seem to be lacking in reading comprehension.

I wasn't making a comparison. I was saying she should have laws like that.

And what? Are you, as "progressive liberal", afraid to experiment and try new things? Why not try out new illegal immigration laws?

Perhaps we should all read! It can help us all avoid tossing insults around! I recommend some Vonnegut. He's great.
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Postby Unified Governments » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:13 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Unified Governments wrote:And here's the magical solution to your woes: maintinence

Yes, we maintain things all the time in this country. Buildings. Roads. Bridges. All of our highways are longer than the border and we pay to maintain them.

And I love the idea of you telling me I'm absurd because you're a fence expert. Are you a fence expert? Are you going to call in one and ask him to speak with me? Do you know any? I'm having a good chuckle.

You just chastised Bush for blowing money on the Iraq War. That money could have gone to border security. Do you even have a source on this?


I know enough about fences to tell you that, unless you buy fencing from Home Depot, your fence is a lot more expensive than what you think it'd be. I can do the math if you want for a fence like the one Bush did, which is basically what you'd have to do in order to cover 2000 miles of land on various environments. I can also do it based on home depot fencing quality.

Also, highways are one layer of asphalt over the ground. The wall is not. Also, just saying "BUT MAINTENANCE!" is really not doing you any favors. That's cost you should be THINKING while doing a fence, not just go "BUT MUH MAINTENANCE!". Surely you're not thinking maintenance of 2000 miles of quality fencing are cheap to maintain, yes?

I can't even take this seriously. You haven't even done the math. You're just whining for the sake of whining. Home Depot quality? Are you kidding me? I'm done. This is just too silly to even take seriously anymore.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:13 pm

Sitosia wrote:Build one on the border of Guatamala. Claim this as casus-belli to annex Mexico, and then North America.

There's already a wall there. It doesn't work.
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Postby Sitosia » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:14 pm

Socialist Nordia wrote:
Sitosia wrote:Build one on the border of Guatamala. Claim this as casus-belli to annex Mexico, and then North America.

There's already a wall there. It doesn't work.

Make it ten feet taller.
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Postby Unified Governments » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:14 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Unified Governments wrote:Perhaps you should read, since you seem to be lacking in reading comprehension.

I wasn't making a comparison. I was saying she should have laws like that.

And what? Are you, as "progressive liberal", afraid to experiment and try new things? Why not try out new illegal immigration laws?


Well then maybe I should buy a lottery ticket too, and wish a pink unicorn would appear while at it.

Also, I am not a "progressive liberal". Honestly, I don't know why do you seem to think I actually am one.

And this is why I can't take you seriously anymore.
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