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by -Suid-Afrika- » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:06 pm

by Unified Governments » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:07 pm
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Unified Governments wrote:You're essentially implying that we're as corrupt as Mexico. "They bribed their way out of jail there and they'll do the same here!"
We don't have Mexican levels of corruption. Stop making useless points, for fucks' sake.
The point is not that we're as corrupt as Mexico.
The point is that there's no real comparison. Read, god damnit.

by Socialist Nordia » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:07 pm

by -Suid-Afrika- » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:08 pm

by Deladara » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:08 pm
-Suid-Afrika- wrote:A wall needs to be built but what Trump doesn't realise in his delusional speeches is Mexico cannot afford it and this will lead to more illegals in America. Mexico is already a failed nation this is why illegals are rushing in a wall will further this, also I doubt they have the technology to build a good wall like the Korean DMZ or the Berlin wall. And I doubt Mexico could staff it properly. Also how can America force Mexico to pay? Threatning a war I doubt that'll go well.
So what are your thoughts?

by Socialist Nordia » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:09 pm

by Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:10 pm
Unified Governments wrote:Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Because one thing would fuck up your fence: weather.
Simply the mention of weather and, you know, the fact that shit rusts, is enough to say that a fence would not work. There'd be a hole in said wall unless you happen to do it like Bush did, which is basically iron poles, and even then it'd need maintenance, which costs money.
The idea of a 2,000 mile fence along the US-Mexico border is absurd. Nobody who knows about fencing would take you seriously if you say it's inexpensive, because it's bullshit.
Building a border fence would not bankrupt the country, but it'd be useless. It simply would not work.
Yes, I did, I also am saying that Bush could not finish the wall because it was way too expensive to do. And?
And here's the magical solution to your woes: maintinence
Yes, we maintain things all the time in this country. Buildings. Roads. Bridges. All of our highways are longer than the border and we pay to maintain them.
And I love the idea of you telling me I'm absurd because you're a fence expert. Are you a fence expert? Are you going to call in one and ask him to speak with me? Do you know any? I'm having a good chuckle.
You just chastised Bush for blowing money on the Iraq War. That money could have gone to border security. Do you even have a source on this?
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

by Novus America » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:10 pm
Neutraligon wrote:Novus America wrote:
I was stationed 3 years in San Diego. Lived in Chula Vista. I am from Baltimore. Chula Vista is a a lot nicer and safer than Baltimore.
I would think there are a lot of cities that are safer than Baltimore, most parts of Baltimore are just...shit.
I wonder if I will get my statistics.

by Neutraligon » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:10 pm
Unified Governments wrote:Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Because one thing would fuck up your fence: weather.
Simply the mention of weather and, you know, the fact that shit rusts, is enough to say that a fence would not work. There'd be a hole in said wall unless you happen to do it like Bush did, which is basically iron poles, and even then it'd need maintenance, which costs money.
The idea of a 2,000 mile fence along the US-Mexico border is absurd. Nobody who knows about fencing would take you seriously if you say it's inexpensive, because it's bullshit.
Building a border fence would not bankrupt the country, but it'd be useless. It simply would not work.
Yes, I did, I also am saying that Bush could not finish the wall because it was way too expensive to do. And?
And here's the magical solution to your woes: maintinence
Yes, we maintain things all the time in this country. Buildings. Roads. Bridges. All of our highways are longer than the border and we pay to maintain them.
And I love the idea of you telling me I'm absurd because you're a fence expert. Are you a fence expert? Are you going to call in one and ask him to speak with me? Do you know any? I'm having a good chuckle.
You just chastised Bush for blowing money on the Iraq War. That money could have gone to border security. Do you even have a source on this?

by Neutraligon » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:10 pm

by The Texan Union » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:11 pm


by Novus America » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:11 pm
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Unified Governments wrote:And here's the magical solution to your woes: maintinence
Yes, we maintain things all the time in this country. Buildings. Roads. Bridges. All of our highways are longer than the border and we pay to maintain them.
And I love the idea of you telling me I'm absurd because you're a fence expert. Are you a fence expert? Are you going to call in one and ask him to speak with me? Do you know any? I'm having a good chuckle.
You just chastised Bush for blowing money on the Iraq War. That money could have gone to border security. Do you even have a source on this?
I know enough about fences to tell you that, unless you buy fencing from Home Depot, your fence is a lot more expensive than what you think it'd be. I can do the math if you want for a fence like the one Bush did, which is basically what you'd have to do in order to cover 2000 miles of land on various environments. I can also do it based on home depot fencing quality.
Also, highways are one layer of asphalt over the ground. The wall is not. Also, just saying "BUT MAINTENANCE!" is really not doing you any favors. That's cost you should be THINKING while doing a fence, not just go "BUT MUH MAINTENANCE!". Surely you're not thinking maintenance of 2000 miles of quality fencing are cheap to maintain, yes?

by Thermodolia » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:12 pm

by Neutraligon » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:12 pm

by Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:12 pm
Unified Governments wrote:Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
The point is not that we're as corrupt as Mexico.
The point is that there's no real comparison. Read, god damnit.
Perhaps you should read, since you seem to be lacking in reading comprehension.
I wasn't making a comparison. I was saying she should have laws like that.
And what? Are you, as "progressive liberal", afraid to experiment and try new things? Why not try out new illegal immigration laws?
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

by -Suid-Afrika- » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:13 pm

by Novus America » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:13 pm

by Pope Joan » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:13 pm
-Suid-Afrika- wrote:A wall needs to be built but what Trump doesn't realise in his delusional speeches is Mexico cannot afford it and this will lead to more illegals in America. Mexico is already a failed nation this is why illegals are rushing in a wall will further this, also I doubt they have the technology to build a good wall like the Korean DMZ or the Berlin wall. And I doubt Mexico could staff it properly. Also how can America force Mexico to pay? Threatning a war I doubt that'll go well.
So what are your thoughts?

by The Texan Union » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:13 pm
Unified Governments wrote:Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
The point is not that we're as corrupt as Mexico.
The point is that there's no real comparison. Read, god damnit.
Perhaps you should read, since you seem to be lacking in reading comprehension.
I wasn't making a comparison. I was saying she should have laws like that.
And what? Are you, as "progressive liberal", afraid to experiment and try new things? Why not try out new illegal immigration laws?

by Unified Governments » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:13 pm
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Unified Governments wrote:And here's the magical solution to your woes: maintinence
Yes, we maintain things all the time in this country. Buildings. Roads. Bridges. All of our highways are longer than the border and we pay to maintain them.
And I love the idea of you telling me I'm absurd because you're a fence expert. Are you a fence expert? Are you going to call in one and ask him to speak with me? Do you know any? I'm having a good chuckle.
You just chastised Bush for blowing money on the Iraq War. That money could have gone to border security. Do you even have a source on this?
I know enough about fences to tell you that, unless you buy fencing from Home Depot, your fence is a lot more expensive than what you think it'd be. I can do the math if you want for a fence like the one Bush did, which is basically what you'd have to do in order to cover 2000 miles of land on various environments. I can also do it based on home depot fencing quality.
Also, highways are one layer of asphalt over the ground. The wall is not. Also, just saying "BUT MAINTENANCE!" is really not doing you any favors. That's cost you should be THINKING while doing a fence, not just go "BUT MUH MAINTENANCE!". Surely you're not thinking maintenance of 2000 miles of quality fencing are cheap to maintain, yes?

by Socialist Nordia » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:13 pm
Sitosia wrote:Build one on the border of Guatamala. Claim this as casus-belli to annex Mexico, and then North America.

by Unified Governments » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:14 pm
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Unified Governments wrote:Perhaps you should read, since you seem to be lacking in reading comprehension.
I wasn't making a comparison. I was saying she should have laws like that.
And what? Are you, as "progressive liberal", afraid to experiment and try new things? Why not try out new illegal immigration laws?
Well then maybe I should buy a lottery ticket too, and wish a pink unicorn would appear while at it.
Also, I am not a "progressive liberal". Honestly, I don't know why do you seem to think I actually am one.
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