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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:57 pm

-Suid-Afrika- wrote:
Socialist Nordia wrote:Have you ever even seen a Mexican? Like, in person? Have you met, like, one and had a bad experience and judged them all ever since? Is that it?

yes I have

So you think that there is something inherently bad about people who happen to be of Mexican descent? That's what it seems like from your posts.
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Postby Unified Governments » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:57 pm

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Unified Governments wrote:Only if you find border security to be useless shit. How exactly do you even know it would be useless? Apparently California's fence has helped.


I don't find border security to be useless.

I find YOUR idea of a fence completely useless.

You keep talking about this miracle of engineering called the Californian fence. Do you want to tell me just HOW LONG is that fence, and how much did it cost to build it?

Not to mention, you STILL haven't addressed the fact that Bush, who started to build a wall, stopped because it was getting to be too costly.

I don't know, but I do know that it was effective. You "STILL" haven't shown how a fence would be completely useless, nor have you proven that we can't pay for it. You're endlessly whining about cost, as if building a border fence would bankrupt the country. Your points are all bulllshit and you should feel genuinely ashamed for making them.

I'm not talking about a wall, I'm talking about a fence. Also, didn't you just chastise Bush for blowing money on the Iraq War?
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:57 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:We should build a wall around Trump and make his family pay for it.


That is a far more reasonable measure, after all, even with his ego included, that area it covers is less...I think.
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Postby Novus America » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:58 pm

-Suid-Afrika- wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
What exactly do you mean by bad influence. Please be specific. Your hatred is indeed paranoia considering you have just suggested kicking a large number of people out of their homes.

Mexican tourists are a threat and illegal immigrants are a greater one cars with plates from Tamulipas and Nuevo Leone cause accidents all the time and it's a lot of stuff I've witnessed besides that like shop lifting and just not respecting local laws or even simple mall rules


Umm breaking a few mall rules is not a threat. And illegal immigrants are not our primary source of crime. Deindustrialized in cities are. Not the border area.
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Postby Western Dakota » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:58 pm

-Suid-Afrika- wrote:
Novus America wrote:
What about white Mexicans.

I don't like them no matter how dark or white


That's tolerant of you.

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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:58 pm

Socialist Nordia wrote:
-Suid-Afrika- wrote:yes I have

So you think that there is something inherently bad about people who happen to be of Mexican descent? That's what it seems like from your posts.

And what about Tejanos ?
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Postby Unified Governments » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:59 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Unified Governments wrote:I'm not talking about their level of corruption. What does that even have to do with anything?


That if the law is not being enforced, then how the hell do you think that's working?

All that law's good for is the paper it's written on. And so there's basically minimum enforcement of said law.

There's no realistic model of laws, OR border security that you can pull and say "they can do it, so can we".

You're essentially implying that we're as corrupt as Mexico. "They bribed their way out of jail there and they'll do the same here!"

We don't have Mexican levels of corruption. Stop making useless points, for fucks' sake.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:59 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Why does this guys idea sound like a neo-Stalinist state?

It's probably more overblown.
It's a 2,000 mile long wall to keep out criminals.

I've read all 25 pages. :blink: Had the best damn laugh though.

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Thermodolia wrote:So you just hate Mexicans for no other reason except that they happen to be born in Mexico? Dude that's fucked up.

Or he's seen some be criminals and generalized.
Like me with random groups of men standing around cars when I'm about to park and leave my car.

Well that's not entirely unreasonable. Especially if it's dark out and your a female.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:59 pm

Western Dakota wrote:
-Suid-Afrika- wrote:I don't like them no matter how dark or white


That's tolerant of you.

"Tolerant"
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Postby -Suid-Afrika- » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:59 pm

Socialist Nordia wrote:
-Suid-Afrika- wrote:yes I have

So you think that there is something inherently bad about people who happen to be of Mexican descent? That's what it seems like from your posts.

Yes
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:00 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:We should build a wall around Trump and make his family pay for it.

Hell I'd pay for that wall!
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:00 pm

Unified Governments wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
That if the law is not being enforced, then how the hell do you think that's working?

All that law's good for is the paper it's written on. And so there's basically minimum enforcement of said law.

There's no realistic model of laws, OR border security that you can pull and say "they can do it, so can we".

You're essentially implying that we're as corrupt as Mexico. "They bribed their way out of jail there and they'll do the same here!"

We don't have Mexican levels of corruption. Stop making useless points, for fucks' sake.

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Postby United Eurasian Socialist States » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:01 pm

-Suid-Afrika- wrote:
Socialist Nordia wrote:So you think that there is something inherently bad about people who happen to be of Mexican descent? That's what it seems like from your posts.

Yes


Mind telling me why? That's literally just straight up racism.
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Postby Novus America » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:02 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
-Suid-Afrika- wrote:I'm from a border state


I happen to live in a border state too, and even I don't feel like your arguments have any basis in reality, or, even worse, reason.


I was stationed 3 years in San Diego. Lived in Chula Vista. I am from Baltimore. Chula Vista is a a lot nicer and safer than Baltimore.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:02 pm

Unified Governments wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I don't find border security to be useless.

I find YOUR idea of a fence completely useless.

You keep talking about this miracle of engineering called the Californian fence. Do you want to tell me just HOW LONG is that fence, and how much did it cost to build it?

Not to mention, you STILL haven't addressed the fact that Bush, who started to build a wall, stopped because it was getting to be too costly.

I don't know, but I do know that it was effective. You "STILL" haven't shown how a fence would be completely useless, nor have you proven that we can't pay for it. You're endlessly whining about cost, as if building a border fence would bankrupt the country. Your points are all bulllshit and you should feel genuinely ashamed for making them.

I'm not talking about a wall, I'm talking about a fence. Also, didn't you just chastise Bush for blowing money on the Iraq War?


Because one thing would fuck up your fence: weather.

Simply the mention of weather and, you know, the fact that shit rusts, is enough to say that a fence would not work. There'd be a hole in said wall unless you happen to do it like Bush did, which is basically iron poles, and even then it'd need maintenance, which costs money.

The idea of a 2,000 mile fence along the US-Mexico border is absurd. Nobody who knows about fencing would take you seriously if you say it's inexpensive, because it's bullshit.

Building a border fence would not bankrupt the country, but it'd be useless. It simply would not work.

Yes, I did, I also am saying that Bush could not finish the wall because it was way too expensive to do. And?
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Postby Novus America » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:02 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
-Suid-Afrika- wrote:I'm from a border state


I happen to live in a border state too, and even I don't feel like your arguments have any basis in reality, or, even worse, reason.


I was stationed 3 years in San Diego. Lived in Chula Vista. I am from Baltimore. Chula Vista is a a lot nicer and safer than Baltimore.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:02 pm

Unified Governments wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I don't find border security to be useless.

I find YOUR idea of a fence completely useless.

You keep talking about this miracle of engineering called the Californian fence. Do you want to tell me just HOW LONG is that fence, and how much did it cost to build it?

Not to mention, you STILL haven't addressed the fact that Bush, who started to build a wall, stopped because it was getting to be too costly.

I don't know, but I do know that it was effective. You "STILL" haven't shown how a fence would be completely useless, nor have you proven that we can't pay for it. You're endlessly whining about cost, as if building a border fence would bankrupt the country. Your points are all bulllshit and you should feel genuinely ashamed for making them.

I'm not talking about a wall, I'm talking about a fence. Also, didn't you just chastise Bush for blowing money on the Iraq War?


Because one thing would fuck up your fence: weather.

Simply the mention of weather and, you know, the fact that shit rusts, is enough to say that a fence would not work. There'd be a hole in said wall unless you happen to do it like Bush did, which is basically iron poles, and even then it'd need maintenance, which costs money.

The idea of a 2,000 mile fence along the US-Mexico border is absurd. Nobody who knows about fencing would take you seriously if you say it's inexpensive, because it's bullshit.

Building a border fence would not bankrupt the country, but it'd be useless. It simply would not work.

Yes, I did, I also am saying that Bush could not finish the wall because it was way too expensive to do. And?
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:02 pm

-Suid-Afrika- wrote:
Socialist Nordia wrote:So you think that there is something inherently bad about people who happen to be of Mexican descent? That's what it seems like from your posts.

Yes

Do you have any reason to think that Mexicans are inferior, or do you just have some strange, irrational phobia of Mexicans? Of course you don't have a reason, you're just bigoted as fuck.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:03 pm

Unified Governments wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
That if the law is not being enforced, then how the hell do you think that's working?

All that law's good for is the paper it's written on. And so there's basically minimum enforcement of said law.

There's no realistic model of laws, OR border security that you can pull and say "they can do it, so can we".

You're essentially implying that we're as corrupt as Mexico. "They bribed their way out of jail there and they'll do the same here!"

We don't have Mexican levels of corruption. Stop making useless points, for fucks' sake.


The point is not that we're as corrupt as Mexico.

The point is that there's no real comparison. Read, god damnit.
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Postby The Texan Union » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:03 pm

Vedilia wrote:Do you live in that boot-shaped thing with the overweening ego called "Texas"?
...They might live in the kind of society where you grab shit as long as nobody can kill you for it. You know, the glorious society promoted by the magic of whipping asses and pervasive corruption of the state.
And they bring that tradition with them up north until it's too costly to maintain.


That's pretty damn hurtful, actually. How can you make generalizations like that?

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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:04 pm

Novus America wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I happen to live in a border state too, and even I don't feel like your arguments have any basis in reality, or, even worse, reason.


I was stationed 3 years in San Diego. Lived in Chula Vista. I am from Baltimore. Chula Vista is a a lot nicer and safer than Baltimore.


I would think there are a lot of cities that are safer than Baltimore, most parts of Baltimore are just...shit.

I wonder if I will get my statistics.
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Postby Vedilia » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:04 pm

Two double-posts in a row sets a record.
The Texan Union wrote:
Vedilia wrote:Do you live in that boot-shaped thing with the overweening ego called "Texas"?
...They might live in the kind of society where you grab shit as long as nobody can kill you for it. You know, the glorious society promoted by the magic of whipping asses and pervasive corruption of the state.
And they bring that tradition with them up north until it's too costly to maintain.


That's pretty damn hurtful, actually. How can you make generalizations like that?

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Postby -Suid-Afrika- » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:05 pm

greed and death wrote:
Socialist Nordia wrote:So you think that there is something inherently bad about people who happen to be of Mexican descent? That's what it seems like from your posts.

And what about Tejanos ?

well Texas is like South Africa and from what I understand Tejanos fought off Mexicans like the Oranje republic fought the Boer war
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Postby Unified Governments » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:05 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Unified Governments wrote:I don't know, but I do know that it was effective. You "STILL" haven't shown how a fence would be completely useless, nor have you proven that we can't pay for it. You're endlessly whining about cost, as if building a border fence would bankrupt the country. Your points are all bulllshit and you should feel genuinely ashamed for making them.

I'm not talking about a wall, I'm talking about a fence. Also, didn't you just chastise Bush for blowing money on the Iraq War?


Because one thing would fuck up your fence: weather.

Simply the mention of weather and, you know, the fact that shit rusts, is enough to say that a fence would not work. There'd be a hole in said wall unless you happen to do it like Bush did, which is basically iron poles, and even then it'd need maintenance, which costs money.

The idea of a 2,000 mile fence along the US-Mexico border is absurd. Nobody who knows about fencing would take you seriously if you say it's inexpensive, because it's bullshit.

Building a border fence would not bankrupt the country, but it'd be useless. It simply would not work.

Yes, I did, I also am saying that Bush could not finish the wall because it was way too expensive to do. And?

And here's the magical solution to your woes: maintinence

Yes, we maintain things all the time in this country. Buildings. Roads. Bridges. All of our highways are longer than the border and we pay to maintain them.

And I love the idea of you telling me I'm absurd because you're a fence expert. Are you a fence expert? Are you going to call in one and ask him to speak with me? Do you know any? I'm having a good chuckle.

You just chastised Bush for blowing money on the Iraq War. That money could have gone to border security. Do you even have a source on this?
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Postby Novus America » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:06 pm

United Eurasian Socialist States wrote:
-Suid-Afrika- wrote:Yes


Mind telling me why? That's literally just straight up racism.


Not racism. He said he hated white Mexicans as much as non white and mixed ones. It is just plain bigotry. Not racism per se.
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