So you think that there is something inherently bad about people who happen to be of Mexican descent? That's what it seems like from your posts.
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by Socialist Nordia » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:57 pm

by Unified Governments » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:57 pm
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Unified Governments wrote:Only if you find border security to be useless shit. How exactly do you even know it would be useless? Apparently California's fence has helped.
I don't find border security to be useless.
I find YOUR idea of a fence completely useless.
You keep talking about this miracle of engineering called the Californian fence. Do you want to tell me just HOW LONG is that fence, and how much did it cost to build it?
Not to mention, you STILL haven't addressed the fact that Bush, who started to build a wall, stopped because it was getting to be too costly.

by Neutraligon » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:57 pm
Costa Fierro wrote:We should build a wall around Trump and make his family pay for it.

by Novus America » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:58 pm
-Suid-Afrika- wrote:Neutraligon wrote:
What exactly do you mean by bad influence. Please be specific. Your hatred is indeed paranoia considering you have just suggested kicking a large number of people out of their homes.
Mexican tourists are a threat and illegal immigrants are a greater one cars with plates from Tamulipas and Nuevo Leone cause accidents all the time and it's a lot of stuff I've witnessed besides that like shop lifting and just not respecting local laws or even simple mall rules

by Western Dakota » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:58 pm

by Greed and Death » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:58 pm

by Unified Governments » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:59 pm
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Unified Governments wrote:I'm not talking about their level of corruption. What does that even have to do with anything?
That if the law is not being enforced, then how the hell do you think that's working?
All that law's good for is the paper it's written on. And so there's basically minimum enforcement of said law.
There's no realistic model of laws, OR border security that you can pull and say "they can do it, so can we".

by Thermodolia » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:59 pm
Had the best damn laugh though.
by Socialist Nordia » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:59 pm

by -Suid-Afrika- » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:59 pm

by Thermodolia » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:00 pm
Costa Fierro wrote:We should build a wall around Trump and make his family pay for it.

by Thermodolia » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:00 pm
Unified Governments wrote:Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
That if the law is not being enforced, then how the hell do you think that's working?
All that law's good for is the paper it's written on. And so there's basically minimum enforcement of said law.
There's no realistic model of laws, OR border security that you can pull and say "they can do it, so can we".
You're essentially implying that we're as corrupt as Mexico. "They bribed their way out of jail there and they'll do the same here!"
We don't have Mexican levels of corruption. Stop making useless points, for fucks' sake.


by United Eurasian Socialist States » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:01 pm

by Novus America » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:02 pm

by Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:02 pm
Unified Governments wrote:Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I don't find border security to be useless.
I find YOUR idea of a fence completely useless.
You keep talking about this miracle of engineering called the Californian fence. Do you want to tell me just HOW LONG is that fence, and how much did it cost to build it?
Not to mention, you STILL haven't addressed the fact that Bush, who started to build a wall, stopped because it was getting to be too costly.
I don't know, but I do know that it was effective. You "STILL" haven't shown how a fence would be completely useless, nor have you proven that we can't pay for it. You're endlessly whining about cost, as if building a border fence would bankrupt the country. Your points are all bulllshit and you should feel genuinely ashamed for making them.
I'm not talking about a wall, I'm talking about a fence. Also, didn't you just chastise Bush for blowing money on the Iraq War?
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

by Novus America » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:02 pm

by Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:02 pm
Unified Governments wrote:Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I don't find border security to be useless.
I find YOUR idea of a fence completely useless.
You keep talking about this miracle of engineering called the Californian fence. Do you want to tell me just HOW LONG is that fence, and how much did it cost to build it?
Not to mention, you STILL haven't addressed the fact that Bush, who started to build a wall, stopped because it was getting to be too costly.
I don't know, but I do know that it was effective. You "STILL" haven't shown how a fence would be completely useless, nor have you proven that we can't pay for it. You're endlessly whining about cost, as if building a border fence would bankrupt the country. Your points are all bulllshit and you should feel genuinely ashamed for making them.
I'm not talking about a wall, I'm talking about a fence. Also, didn't you just chastise Bush for blowing money on the Iraq War?
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

by Socialist Nordia » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:02 pm

by Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:03 pm
Unified Governments wrote:Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
That if the law is not being enforced, then how the hell do you think that's working?
All that law's good for is the paper it's written on. And so there's basically minimum enforcement of said law.
There's no realistic model of laws, OR border security that you can pull and say "they can do it, so can we".
You're essentially implying that we're as corrupt as Mexico. "They bribed their way out of jail there and they'll do the same here!"
We don't have Mexican levels of corruption. Stop making useless points, for fucks' sake.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

by The Texan Union » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:03 pm
Vedilia wrote:Do you live in that boot-shaped thing with the overweening ego called "Texas"?
...They might live in the kind of society where you grab shit as long as nobody can kill you for it. You know, the glorious society promoted by the magic of whipping asses and pervasive corruption of the state.
And they bring that tradition with them up north until it's too costly to maintain.


by Neutraligon » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:04 pm
Novus America wrote:Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I happen to live in a border state too, and even I don't feel like your arguments have any basis in reality, or, even worse, reason.
I was stationed 3 years in San Diego. Lived in Chula Vista. I am from Baltimore. Chula Vista is a a lot nicer and safer than Baltimore.

by Vedilia » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:04 pm
The Texan Union wrote:Vedilia wrote:Do you live in that boot-shaped thing with the overweening ego called "Texas"?
...They might live in the kind of society where you grab shit as long as nobody can kill you for it. You know, the glorious society promoted by the magic of whipping asses and pervasive corruption of the state.
And they bring that tradition with them up north until it's too costly to maintain.
That's pretty damn hurtful, actually. How can you make generalizations like that?

by -Suid-Afrika- » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:05 pm

by Unified Governments » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:05 pm
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Unified Governments wrote:I don't know, but I do know that it was effective. You "STILL" haven't shown how a fence would be completely useless, nor have you proven that we can't pay for it. You're endlessly whining about cost, as if building a border fence would bankrupt the country. Your points are all bulllshit and you should feel genuinely ashamed for making them.
I'm not talking about a wall, I'm talking about a fence. Also, didn't you just chastise Bush for blowing money on the Iraq War?
Because one thing would fuck up your fence: weather.
Simply the mention of weather and, you know, the fact that shit rusts, is enough to say that a fence would not work. There'd be a hole in said wall unless you happen to do it like Bush did, which is basically iron poles, and even then it'd need maintenance, which costs money.
The idea of a 2,000 mile fence along the US-Mexico border is absurd. Nobody who knows about fencing would take you seriously if you say it's inexpensive, because it's bullshit.
Building a border fence would not bankrupt the country, but it'd be useless. It simply would not work.
Yes, I did, I also am saying that Bush could not finish the wall because it was way too expensive to do. And?

by Novus America » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:06 pm
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