Is "Conversion Therapy" Child Abuse?

by **Ghuraba Al-Khorusani** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:50 pm

Vassenor wrote:Remember all the stuff in the Qu'ran about how you cannot compel Islam upon a person?

you can't unless it is a major transgression

by **Soldati Senza Confini** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:50 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:yh there is a gay agenda it's the LGBT political movement to legalise gay marriage and allow women to use men's restrooms and tell people it's okay to be gay and proud.

I don't see anything wrong with everything but the underlined, and even then, the only people who are wanting women to use the men's restroom is the anti-LGBT rights movement.

To be honest, I really don't care much if women piss in a cup in the middle of a trip in the middle of tall grass.

It's pissing ffs.

by **Noraika** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:51 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Allah's truth is your truth, and that of Muslims', not anyone else's. We don't really care whether your god accepts us or not. We really don't.

The call of Muhammad (SAAWS) was humanity's final Prophetic call Allah has sent humanity many warnings and calls including to tne Torah and Gospel yet many still ignore the call of the lord of the worlds and when the horn is blown for the day of judgment no where is safe mountains will prostrate to him, and for humans to challenge Allah is nothing less then a transgression against Allah.

Okay, so then, let Allah judge those who he will judge. For the rest of us, who don't believe in Allah, to be honest there really isn't any persuasiveness to anything you just said, so to be frank it does not really matter to us, so it naturally won't be our consideration. For one, my Gods, and the Gods of many, have no issue with it.

I'm perfectly happy with my Gods, and I respect your right to follow your god, but ultimately, I don't follow your god, so I still prefer to celebrate humanities natural diversity in sexuality and gender identity.

by **Renewed Imperial Germany** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:51 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with everything but the underlined, and even then, the only people who are wanting women to use the men's restroom is the anti-LGBT rights movement.

To be honest, I really don't care much if women piss in a cup in the middle of a trip in the middle of tall grass.

It's pissing ffs.

Just pee!

by **Ghuraba Al-Khorusani** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:51 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:Because of the command of Allah Aza wa Jal.

No deity worth worshipping is ant-LGBT. Yes, that even applies to Allah. Either Allah considers being LGBT to be a sin, or Allah is worth worshipping. No ifs, ands, or buts.

No deity is worthy of worship but Allah

No Allah doesn't conform but we do

by **Vassenor** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:52 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Remember all the stuff in the Qu'ran about how you cannot compel Islam upon a person?

you can't unless it is a major transgression

Being LGBT is not a "major transgression". It is people just wanting to be treated the same as everyone else.

by **Renewed Imperial Germany** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:52 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
No deity worth worshipping is ant-LGBT. Yes, that even applies to Allah. Either Allah considers being LGBT to be a sin, or Allah is worth worshipping. No ifs, ands, or buts.

No deity is worthy of worship but Allah

No Allah doesn't conform but we do

There are no dieties. Now excuse me while I enjoy not giving two craps about anything imaginary men in the sky think becuase they are just that - imaginary.

by **Nanatsu no Tsuki** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:52 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
No deity worth worshipping is ant-LGBT. Yes, that even applies to Allah. Either Allah considers being LGBT to be a sin, or Allah is worth worshipping. No ifs, ands, or buts.

No deity is worthy of worship but Allah

No Allah doesn't conform but we do

We don't care about Allah's preferences or commands. Allah is not our god.

by **Grenartia** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:53 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Central European Commonwealth wrote:
Yeah, and what's wrong with all of that? The fact that it doesn't fit into your Abrahamic nonsense? Well, wake up, we're not in the Bronze Age anymore... If you're against gay marriage, just don't marry a homosexual. It's that simple. Don't try to impose your crap on people who have better things with their lives than worry about what the main character out of somebody's bad trip thousands of years ago wants.

Typical for the camp of tyrants and disbelievers to hate the supreme truth of what Allah has sent down to humanity have you heard of Sodom and the Prophet Lut?

What happened at Sodom was an act of attempted rape. Therefore, it has no bearing on consensual sexual activity. Also, if being anti-LGBT were really some sort of "supreme truth", then logic would be against LGBT equality. Instead, however, we find the reverse to be true. Therefore, the supreme truth is that its ok to be LGBT. Anything otherwise is a lie.

by **Vassenor** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:53 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
No deity worth worshipping is ant-LGBT. Yes, that even applies to Allah. Either Allah considers being LGBT to be a sin, or Allah is worth worshipping. No ifs, ands, or buts.

No deity is worthy of worship but Allah

No Allah doesn't conform but we do

Please stop trying to force your religion onto me. Respect my religious freedom.

by **Grenartia** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:54 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Allah's truth is your truth, and that of Muslims', not anyone else's. We don't really care whether your god accepts us or not. We really don't.

The call of Muhammad (SAAWS) was humanity's final Prophetic call Allah has sent humanity many warnings and calls including to tne Torah and Gospel yet many still ignore the call of the lord of the worlds and when the horn is blown for the day of judgment no where is safe mountains will prostrate to him, and for humans to challenge Allah is nothing less then a transgression against Allah.

Then I suggest you stop transgressing against Allah.

by **Eclius** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:55 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
No deity worth worshipping is ant-LGBT. Yes, that even applies to Allah. Either Allah considers being LGBT to be a sin, or Allah is worth worshipping. No ifs, ands, or buts.

No deity is worthy of worship but Allah

No Allah doesn't conform but we do

As an atheist, I respect those that are religious, however, those that are religious shouldn't oppress others because of their beliefs. Yes you can say that LGBTQ community is against your beliefs, but nonetheless, please show them respect as we're all equal

by **Grenartia** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:56 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
No deity worth worshipping is ant-LGBT. Yes, that even applies to Allah. Either Allah considers being LGBT to be a sin, or Allah is worth worshipping. No ifs, ands, or buts.

No deity is worthy of worship but Allah

No Allah doesn't conform but we do

If Allah is not for LGBT equal rights, then not even Allah is worth worshipping, because Allah would be evil.

by **Central European Commonwealth** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:56 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
No deity worth worshipping is ant-LGBT. Yes, that even applies to Allah. Either Allah considers being LGBT to be a sin, or Allah is worth worshipping. No ifs, ands, or buts.

No deity is worthy of worship but Allah

No Allah doesn't conform but we do

Well, too bad for him then. I suppose he'd have to do without me in that case. His loss.

by **Renewed Imperial Germany** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:56 pm

Again, don't pay much attention to Mr. Khorosani, hes a Jihadi sympathizer.

by **Ghuraba Al-Khorusani** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:57 pm

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:No deity is worthy of worship but Allah

No Allah doesn't conform but we do

There are no dieties. Now excuse me while I enjoy not giving two craps about anything imaginary men in the sky think becuase they are just that - imaginary.

the concept Allah isn't a 'man' just an FYI

by **Gauthier** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:57 pm

The Inverse Function doesn't just apply to Christians.

by **Renewed Imperial Germany** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:58 pm

Gauthier wrote:The Inverse Function doesn't just apply to Christians.

Go git 'im Gauth!

by **Nanatsu no Tsuki** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:58 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
There are no dieties. Now excuse me while I enjoy not giving two craps about anything imaginary men in the sky think becuase they are just that - imaginary.

the concept Allah isn't a 'man' just an FYI

Once again, we don't care about what Allah likes, commands or hates. That's your issue, as a Muslim. Not ours.

by **Ghuraba Al-Khorusani** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:58 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:No deity is worthy of worship but Allah

No Allah doesn't conform but we do

If Allah is not for LGBT equal rights, then not even Allah is worth worshipping, because Allah would be evil.

yet it was the people of Sodom who were with Shaytan

by **Central European Commonwealth** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:59 pm

Gauthier wrote:The Inverse Function doesn't just apply to Christians.

That's a very valid point.

by **Eclius** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:59 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
There are no dieties. Now excuse me while I enjoy not giving two craps about anything imaginary men in the sky think becuase they are just that - imaginary.

the concept Allah isn't a 'man' just an FYI

Ok guys, can we all please just settle down, we don't need this to end in an argument. Let's all just respect each other and continue this discussion in a peaceful manner.

by **Grenartia** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:00 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
If Allah is not for LGBT equal rights, then not even Allah is worth worshipping, because Allah would be evil.

yet it was the people of Sodom who were with Shaytan

Sure. And that has nothing to do with LGBT people. Rape =/= sex.

by **Grenartia** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:01 pm

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Gauthier wrote:The Inverse Function doesn't just apply to Christians.

Go git 'im Gauth!

Can't Swath the Gauth.

by **The United Remnants of America** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:01 pm

Child abuse? Nah. In order for it to be child abuse, there has to be intent to hurt the children. Since the parents thing they're helping, it legally can't be abuse.

Child endangerment and negligence, on the other hand... Those just need shitty parents to stick.

I'm almost tempted to go through conversion therapy just to see what it's like first-hand.

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