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Should "conversion therapy" be considered child abuse?

Yes
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No
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Unsure/ undecided
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Postby Noraika » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:30 pm

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Gay agenda? May I ask why you aren't wearing your tinfoil hat yet sir?

yh there is a gay agenda it's the LGBT political movement to legalise gay marriage and allow women to use men's restrooms and tell people it's okay to be gay and proud.

Ah so you mean the LGB+ and T rights movement? Yeah its wonderful isn't it. About time society got over its more artificial notions that there's something wrong with being non-hertronormative, and a part of humanity's beautiful diversity of sexuality and gender identity. :)
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:32 pm

Yes, especially as in many instances, the child can't consent to undergo conversion therapy. Also, it instills on the child a sense of shame when in reality, who they are is not shameful.
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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:32 pm

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Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:yh there is a gay agenda it's the LGBT political movement to legalise gay marriage and allow women to use men's restrooms and tell people it's okay to be gay and proud.


Which is all fine in my book.

It doesn't impose on you, so why should you care?

Because of the command of Allah Aza wa Jal.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:33 pm

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Gay agenda? May I ask why you aren't wearing your tinfoil hat yet sir?

yh there is a gay agenda it's the LGBT political movement to legalise gay marriage and allow women to use men's restrooms and tell people it's okay to be gay and proud.


So what? I'm not homosexual, so?

Do I have to give a shit that they feel confident about being gay, or that they marry, or that they allow women to use men's restrooms?

Seriously, is this what has come down to?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:33 pm

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Which is all fine in my book.

It doesn't impose on you, so why should you care?

Because of the command of Allah Aza wa Jal.


Not everyone is Muslim or cares about what your deity commanded. Nor should they care.
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Postby Noraika » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:34 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
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Which is all fine in my book.

It doesn't impose on you, so why should you care?

Because of the command of Allah Aza wa Jal.

Okay. Cool for you.
With that said, my Gods have no problems with it. So I'm fine with celebrating humanity's natural and beautiful diversity of sexuality and gender identity. :)
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:34 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:Because of the command of Allah Aza wa Jal.


Not everyone is Muslim or cares about what your deity commanded. Nor should they care.


Even for us Christians, we have to care about what God commands, nobody else has to.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:35 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Not everyone is Muslim or cares about what your deity commanded. Nor should they care.


Even for us Christians, we have to care about what God commands, nobody else has to.


Quite. If as a Christian you care about what your god commands, that's fine and dandy. Someone who isn't Christian doesn't have to care or abide by your creed.
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Postby Central European Commonwealth » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:36 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
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Gay agenda? May I ask why you aren't wearing your tinfoil hat yet sir?

yh there is a gay agenda it's the LGBT political movement to legalise gay marriage and allow women to use men's restrooms and tell people it's okay to be gay and proud.


Yeah, and what's wrong with all of that? The fact that it doesn't fit into your Abrahamic nonsense? Well, wake up, we're not in the Bronze Age anymore... If you're against gay marriage, just don't marry a homosexual. It's that simple. Don't try to impose your crap on people who have better things with their lives than worry about what the main character out of somebody's bad trip thousands of years ago wants.

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:Because of the command of Allah Aza wa Jal.


He can shove his "commandment" in a place where the sun shines even less often than in Longyearbyen in December.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:38 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:Because of the command of Allah Aza wa Jal.


Not everyone is Muslim or cares about what your deity commanded. Nor should they care.


My god is perfectly OK with homosexuality.

I don't appreciate having other people forcing their religion onto me.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:38 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Not everyone is Muslim or cares about what your deity commanded. Nor should they care.


My god is perfectly OK with homosexuality.

I don't appreciate having other products forcing their religion onto me.


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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:40 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:legalise gay marriage


Should have been legalized forever ago. Its none of yours or the government's business whoi individuals want to spend the rest of their lives with.

allow women to use men's restrooms


No, thats what you and bigots like Pat McCrory are doing with bathroom bills. People like me who want to end anti-trans bathroom discrimination want men in the mens room and women in the womens room. You and your ilk are the ones forcing women to use the mens room.

tell people it's okay to be gay and proud.


Considering there is nothing wrong with being gay, it is perfectly ok to be proud of being gay because it means you are proud of yourself. Is that really so wrong? Is it bad of me to be proud of being a woman?
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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:40 pm

Central European Commonwealth wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:yh there is a gay agenda it's the LGBT political movement to legalise gay marriage and allow women to use men's restrooms and tell people it's okay to be gay and proud.


Yeah, and what's wrong with all of that? The fact that it doesn't fit into your Abrahamic nonsense? Well, wake up, we're not in the Bronze Age anymore... If you're against gay marriage, just don't marry a homosexual. It's that simple. Don't try to impose your crap on people who have better things with their lives than worry about what the main character out of somebody's bad trip thousands of years ago wants.

Typical for the camp of tyrants and disbelievers to hate the supreme truth of what Allah has sent down to humanity have you heard of Sodom and the Prophet Lut?
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:41 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Central European Commonwealth wrote:
Yeah, and what's wrong with all of that? The fact that it doesn't fit into your Abrahamic nonsense? Well, wake up, we're not in the Bronze Age anymore... If you're against gay marriage, just don't marry a homosexual. It's that simple. Don't try to impose your crap on people who have better things with their lives than worry about what the main character out of somebody's bad trip thousands of years ago wants.

Typical for the camp of tyrants and disbelievers to hate the supreme truth of what Allah has sent down to humanity have you heard of and the Prophet Lut?


Your the tyrant trying to ram your religion dowin people's throats.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:42 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Central European Commonwealth wrote:
Yeah, and what's wrong with all of that? The fact that it doesn't fit into your Abrahamic nonsense? Well, wake up, we're not in the Bronze Age anymore... If you're against gay marriage, just don't marry a homosexual. It's that simple. Don't try to impose your crap on people who have better things with their lives than worry about what the main character out of somebody's bad trip thousands of years ago wants.

Typical for the camp of tyrants and disbelievers to hate the supreme truth of what Allah has sent down to humanity have you heard of Sodom and the Prophet Lut?


Allah's truth is your truth, and that of Muslims', not anyone else's. We don't really care whether your god accepts us or not. We really don't.
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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:43 pm

Central European Commonwealth wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:yh there is a gay agenda it's the LGBT political movement to legalise gay marriage and allow women to use men's restrooms and tell people it's okay to be gay and proud.


Yeah, and what's wrong with all of that? The fact that it doesn't fit into your Abrahamic nonsense? Well, wake up, we're not in the Bronze Age anymore... If you're against gay marriage, just don't marry a homosexual. It's that simple. Don't try to impose your crap on people who have better things with their lives than worry about what the main character out of somebody's bad trip thousands of years ago wants.

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:Because of the command of Allah Aza wa Jal.


He can shove his "commandment" in a place where the sun shines even less often than in Longyearbyen in December.

How dare you
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:45 pm

Remember all the stuff in the Qu'ran about how you cannot compel Islam upon a person?
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Postby Central European Commonwealth » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:46 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Central European Commonwealth wrote:
Yeah, and what's wrong with all of that? The fact that it doesn't fit into your Abrahamic nonsense? Well, wake up, we're not in the Bronze Age anymore... If you're against gay marriage, just don't marry a homosexual. It's that simple. Don't try to impose your crap on people who have better things with their lives than worry about what the main character out of somebody's bad trip thousands of years ago wants.

Typical for the camp of tyrants and disbelievers to hate the supreme truth of what Allah has sent down to humanity have you heard of Sodom and the Prophet Lut?


Tyrant? Doubt it.

Disbeliever - you betcha. I don't believe anything which can't be proven. And that includes characters from a 2000-year old bad mushroom (or whatever they were using in that sandbox) trip.

Regarding prophets, whatever. Even if the Abrahamic tradition would carry any truth, the main character in that mythology is such an ass that he's the last person to teach me morality. Screw him.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:46 pm

Vassenor wrote:Remember all the stuff in the Qu'ran about how you cannot compel Islam upon a person?


Ghubhara is a Jihadi sympathizer I dont think he gives two shits about any inconvienient parts of the Qu'aran.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:47 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
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Gay agenda? May I ask why you aren't wearing your tinfoil hat yet sir?

yh there is a gay agenda it's the LGBT political movement to legalise gay marriage and allow women to use men's restrooms and tell people it's okay to be gay and proud.


I don't see anything wrong with everything but the underlined, and even then, the only people who are wanting women to use the men's restroom is the anti-LGBT rights movement.
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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:47 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:Typical for the camp of tyrants and disbelievers to hate the supreme truth of what Allah has sent down to humanity have you heard of Sodom and the Prophet Lut?


Allah's truth is your truth, and that of Muslims', not anyone else's. We don't really care whether your god accepts us or not. We really don't.

The call of Muhammad (SAAWS) was humanity's final Prophetic call Allah has sent humanity many warnings and calls including to tne Torah and Gospel yet many still ignore the call of the lord of the worlds and when the horn is blown for the day of judgment no where is safe mountains will prostrate to him, and for humans to challenge Allah is nothing less then a transgression against Allah.
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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:48 pm

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Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:Typical for the camp of tyrants and disbelievers to hate the supreme truth of what Allah has sent down to humanity have you heard of and the Prophet Lut?


Your the tyrant trying to ram your religion dowin people's throats.

No a tyrant is an enemy of Allah
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:49 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
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Which is all fine in my book.

It doesn't impose on you, so why should you care?

Because of the command of Allah Aza wa Jal.


No deity worth worshipping is ant-LGBT. Yes, that even applies to Allah. Either Allah considers being LGBT to be a sin, or Allah is worth worshipping. No ifs, ands, or buts.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:49 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Allah's truth is your truth, and that of Muslims', not anyone else's. We don't really care whether your god accepts us or not. We really don't.

The call of Muhammad (SAAWS) was humanity's final Prophetic call Allah has sent humanity many warnings and calls including to tne Torah and Gospel yet many still ignore the call of the lord of the worlds and when the horn is blown for the day of judgment no where is safe mountains will prostrate to him, and for humans to challenge Allah is nothing less then a transgression against Allah.


Only Muslims believe that. Other religions probably don't give a fuck. I certainly don't. Christians don't. Jews don't. Hindus don't.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:49 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
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Your the tyrant trying to ram your religion dowin people's throats.

No a tyrant is an enemy of Allah


If Allah is the gay bashing psychopath you seem to believe, proud fucking 'tyrant' right here... but you clearly don't know the definition of tyrant: "a cruel and oppresive ruler"
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