Is "Conversion Therapy" Child Abuse?

[Dinake]

I don't think it's inherently child abuse(and think that term is definitely overused these days), but it definitely has the potential to be, and often is. Regardless, don't use it.

[Dinake]

Let me start by saying this: Gay conversion does not work.

Except for numerous ex-Gay individuals, such as "Roe".

While ex-gay certainly occasionally happens, it can't necessarily be attributed to conversion therapy. Most of the time it would happen anyway, and conversion therapy rarely works.

Homosexuality is not a choice that can be discouraged, nor a mental illness to be cured.

Show me the proof being Gay isn't a choice. After 25 years of research, they've yet to find the "gay gene".

It's pretty obvious it's not a choice, because if it were there would be no homosexuals. That doesn't mean it's genetic. Upbringing is likely the bigger part of the issue.

Even more disturbing, is that only a handful of states have banned this procedure, leaving the majority of the American LGBT population at risk.

If an adult person who identifies as Gay wants to undergo the therapy, I don't see any reason to prevent that. As for underage individuals, as long as there is nothing like electro-shock or such going on, I again see no issues.

Gay conversion therapy is useless and can sometimes cause pretty severe issues because it's essentially unregulated. That's the problem with it.

[Laissez-Faire Economics]

Yes. Torturing innocent children is, undeniably, child abuse.

[Gauthier]

I find rather scary that 18 people have said that subjecting minors to quackery and brainwashing by force isn't child abuse.

Yeah but but it's stopping the evil gays from spreading their gay.

Gotta prevent the Zombie Gaypocalypse by any means. Don't want innocent straight people walking down the street only to be mobbed by packs of feral gays and then emerge fabulous. /s

[Quokkastan]

I mean, you could just trust the LGB community and their personal accounts. But, whatever.

That's basically the "Because I say so!" argument, and it isn't convincing.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/31/modern-science-says-homosexuality-not-choice/
https://www.theguardian.com/science/blo ... al-with-it

And, it often causes mental damage and is very harmful.

You need to read your sources. The Guardian article specifically stated only one of four studies even found any markers at all, and still no "gay gene".

There's no schizophrenia gene either, I suppose you think that that's a choice.

[Thermodolia]

Yeah but but it's stopping the evil gays from spreading their gay.

Gotta prevent the Zombie Gaypocalypse by any means. Don't want innocent straight people walking down the street only to be mobbed by packs of feral gays and then emerge fabulous. /s

Bawhahah!!!!

[Ashmoria]

Persuade someone to become straight? You can't change sexual orientation. Its not a choice.

I guess so. But you can change naturally over the course of your life.

no all you can do is force yourself to pretend that everything is OK as you marry a person you don't have a sexual attraction to and try to make it work while being wildly attracted to the forbidden other.

would you want your sister to end up married to a gay man?

[Thermodolia]

I guess so. But you can change naturally over the course of your life.

no all you can do is force yourself to pretend that everything is OK as you marry a person you don't have a sexual attraction to and try to make it work while being wildly attracted to the forbidden other.

would you want your sister to end up married to a gay man?

I wouldn't want my sister to end up married to one because then I'd be very jealous.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Conversion therapy is as fucking dumb as believing you can make a left-handed person write and do things with their right hand.

We don't force left-handed children to write with their right hands anymore because it harms them and it doesn't work as well as people thought, why should we believe conversion therapy, which seeks to "correct" homosexuality does?

[Internationalist Bastard]

I guess so. But you can change naturally over the course of your life.

no all you can do is force yourself to pretend that everything is OK as you marry a person you don't have a sexual attraction to and try to make it work while being wildly attracted to the forbidden other.

would you want your sister to end up married to a gay man?

Not gonna lie, I think mine is

[Ashmoria]

no all you can do is force yourself to pretend that everything is OK as you marry a person you don't have a sexual attraction to and try to make it work while being wildly attracted to the forbidden other.

would you want your sister to end up married to a gay man?

I wouldn't want my sister to end up married to one because then I'd be very jealous.

lol

by which I meant that she would end up married to a gay man without knowing it. a woman who decides to knowingly marry a gay man is making her own life choice that will work out or not just like any other marriage.

[Ashmoria]

no all you can do is force yourself to pretend that everything is OK as you marry a person you don't have a sexual attraction to and try to make it work while being wildly attracted to the forbidden other.

would you want your sister to end up married to a gay man?

Not gonna lie, I think mine is

does that mean she is thinking of marrying a man she knows to be gay or that she is seriously dating a man YOU think is probably gay?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Let me start by saying this: Gay conversion does not work.

Except for numerous ex-Gay individuals, such as "Roe".

Homosexuality is not a choice that can be discouraged, nor a mental illness to be cured.

Show me the proof being Gay isn't a choice. After 25 years of research, they've yet to find the "gay gene".

Even more disturbing, is that only a handful of states have banned this procedure, leaving the majority of the American LGBT population at risk.

If an adult person who identifies as Gay wants to undergo the therapy, I don't see any reason to prevent that. As for underage individuals, as long as there is nothing like electro-shock or such going on, I again see no issues.

I guess being left-handed is a choice since there's no "left-handed gene".

Oh wait, no it isn't. Your argument of "BUT MUH GUNU!" is fucking stupid.

[USS Monitor]

I guess so. But you can change naturally over the course of your life.

I suppose that's possible but i haven't heard of that.

People can have homosexual feelings during puberty that don't last. My dad said he had a crush on a guy when he was a teenager, but once he got through puberty and the hormones settled down, he's never been attracted to guys since then.

Doesn't change the fact that some people are just gay their whole adult life, and they can't do anything about it.

[Khadgar]

I suppose that's possible but i haven't heard of that.

People can have homosexual feelings during puberty that don't last. My dad said he had a crush on a guy when he was a teenager, but once he got through puberty and the hormones settled down, he's never been attracted to guys since then.

Doesn't change the fact that some people are just gay their whole adult life, and they can't do anything about it.

I had a thing for a girl in high school. Still consider myself gay. Bi-curious would also work I suppose.

[Gauthier]

no all you can do is force yourself to pretend that everything is OK as you marry a person you don't have a sexual attraction to and try to make it work while being wildly attracted to the forbidden other.

would you want your sister to end up married to a gay man?

I wouldn't want my sister to end up married to one because then I'd be very jealous.

But you can call her a beard!

[Oneracon]

Yes, because it is almost entirely, if not entirely, cases where this "therapy" is forced on a minor by their parent. It has been recognised as a potential violation of the UN Convention Against Torture, discredited by every major medical body, and is performed by quacks... if these practitioners even are real medical professionals.

Simply put: if you place your child into that situation, you are an unfit parent and your children should be taken away.

[Godular]

Religion belongs in a church, not in any legislature.

I disagree, but this isn't the thread for arguing about it.

Time for a new thread? Time for a new thread. Time for a new thread!

[Salus Maior]

The Republican Party platform previewed so far makes it clear they consider conversion therapy a valid option for families.

Trump just picked a VP who is explicitly in favour of it.

And he said that the movie "Mulan" was liberal propaganda. I'm gonna slap a fool.

[Socialist Nordia]

Trump just picked a VP who is explicitly in favour of it.

And he said that the movie "Mulan" was liberal propaganda. I'm gonna slap a fool.

He said what!? How dare he! Mulan was one of the greatest Disney movies of all time, and no one can tell me otherwise!

Edit- http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mike-pence- ... 999-op-ed/
Oh god, it's really true. I guess he's a total sexist, so it's really not too surprising.

[Thermodolia]

Trump just picked a VP who is explicitly in favour of it.

And he said that the movie "Mulan" was liberal propaganda. I'm gonna slap a fool.

Good fucking lord Pence is an idiot

[The Serbian Empire]

It is more than just child abuse, it is torture of the kind that Mengele would be disturbed by.

[United Marxist Nations]

It is more than just child abuse, it is torture of the kind that Mengele would be disturbed by.

Oh, I think it is bad, but that's a bit overdramatic.

[The Serbian Empire]

It is more than just child abuse, it is torture of the kind that Mengele would be disturbed by.

Oh, I think it is bad, but that's a bit overdramatic.

I've got very strong opinions on the matter.

[United Marxist Nations]

Oh, I think it is bad, but that's a bit overdramatic.

I've got very strong opinions on the matter.

Still, it's a bit much. I have strong opinions on certain things, but I don't say that the perpetrators of those things are literally worse than the worst of the Nazis.