Turkey thread: now stuffed with more authoritarianism!

[Kelinfort]

Unless Clinton or Trump start usurping the Congress, yes they are.

Well Trump deserves to be thrown out off office. As does Clinton. Neither of them represent truly democratic ideals.

Bullshit, unless they violate the laws of the US and can't be removed from office peacefully, then of course not.

[Kuruinulah]

I'm suprised it didn't happen already. Anyway i wish the army the best of luck.

[Anollasia]

Coups are constitutional if an Islamist is in power, but this is not an official coup.

They are?

In order to protect the principle of secularism. It has happened in the past before.

[Nariterrr]

I support it. Erdogan is a goatfucker.

Jesus, than get him out of office democratically.

[Serconas]

Sky News:
People ducked on a street as shoots were fired, after they ended, the people stood up again and started booing.
The commentator described it as "strange" and that it "didn´t seem like people were shot at, but warning shots being fired".

[Geilinor]

When you literally have to mow down crowds of protesting civillians to get your goal, it probably means you're the villains.

So Anti Clinton or Anti Trump people/military rebels if they were elected would be the bad guys?
You don't understand politics at all. It's not all bloodless and that you can win without hurting a few people.
By your logic we should just all willingly live under democratically elected people who became dictators and hope it works out for the best.
Oh wait, that doesn't work.
The USA revolution had to actually kill some protesters during the American revolution, as did the British. So did the Germans, Soviets, and Japanese in WW2, and the Germans, Russians, Serbians, etc. in WW1.
Were they all the bad guys?

The comparison to the American presidency makes no sense. Not even Trump would be able to get to the point of becoming a dictator.

[Costa Azzurra]

Why? Would you like something like this to happen in the UK?

If the UK were ruled by an autocratic, closeted religious fundamentalist who kept shitting all over the country's values and basic principles, yes.

[Arcturus Novus]

I've mixed feelings about this. As much as I hate Erdogan and wish him out of power, I think that we need the relative stability in the region that Turkey provides.

[Calimera II]

Whoever wins, the purges that will follow would make Stalin blush.

You like drama.

[Souseiseki]

I support it. Erdogan is a goatfucker.

Jesus, than get him out of office democratically.

you campaign against me.

i shut down your newspaper and arrest you.

[Imperializt Russia]

I really want to get back to Bioshock but damn if I can't tear myself from the screen.

This

I was gonna play Darksouls
but this is way more fun
Someone saw an Altay on the highway so like
im waiting for tankbowl

I was scrolling through my games, and realised I only had a couple achievements left to farm on original Bioshock.
Last played the game six years ago.

Last save? About an hour from the end of the game on the hardest difficulty.
Easy 40G.

[Old Tyrannia]

This is quite the shocking development, even considering Turkey's history of military coups. Whilst it's hard to say what the better outcome would be in a situation like this, considering Erdoğan is Erdoğan at this stage I am tentatively on the side of the Putschists.

[Umars memeistan]

I support it. Erdogan is a goatfucker.

no that is what you call a east Asian countries insult

[Calimera II]

Gunfire has broken out in Istanbul.

[Greed and Death]

How so?

It's only a group within the army doing this. It's not even commanded by the head of the military. In previous coups, it's always been the head of the military who was in charge. This is more like anarchy.

Thats because Erdogen replaced anyone who might coup in leadership positions this means lower level officers likely had to arrest their Superior officers as the first step in the coup. Now the military has no command and control.

This means that different militaries units will act differently. A group of Air force police likely took it upon themselves to bomb branches of govnerment that are pro edrogen like the intellgence agency. Some companies may fire on the protesters others will withdraw.

Full civil ware chance is now at 30%.

[Milizewe]

How so?

It's only a group within the army doing this. It's not even commanded by the head of the military. In previous coups, it's always been the head of the military who was in charge. This is more like anarchy.

Wasn't the 1960 coup not lead by the head of the military?

[Polar Svalbard]

I support it. Erdogan is a goatfucker.

Jesus, than get him out of office democratically.

How do you democratically get a dictator out of office?

[Imperializt Russia]

Why? Would you like something like this to happen in the UK?

If the UK were ruled by an autocratic, closeted religious fundamentalist who kept shitting all over the country's values and basic principles, yes.

Good thing Leadsom dropped out!

[Geilinor]

I support it. Erdogan is a goatfucker.

Jesus, than get him out of office democratically.

They can't because elections are suspected to be rigged.

[Nariterrr]

Jesus, than get him out of office democratically.

How do you democratically get a dictator out of office?

The Turkish constitution is still in effect here.

[Valaran]

If the UK were ruled by an autocratic, closeted religious fundamentalist who kept shitting all over the country's values and basic principles, yes.

Good thing Leadsom dropped out!

hahahaha

[Milizewe]

Whoever wins, the purges that will follow would make Stalin blush.

You like drama.

He might be right though.

[Bearon]

They're overdue one really. Turkey used to have a coup attempt each decade or so.

That being said, in the absence of more information, if the PM can make a statement unimpeded one wonders how far this 'coup' has actually gotten.

He was apparently on vacation when the coup attempt occurred.

[Great Feng]

So Anti Clinton or Anti Trump people/military rebels if they were elected would be the bad guys?
You don't understand politics at all. It's not all bloodless and that you can win without hurting a few people.
By your logic we should just all willingly live under democratically elected people who became dictators and hope it works out for the best.
Oh wait, that doesn't work.
The USA revolution had to actually kill some protesters during the American revolution, as did the British. So did the Germans, Soviets, and Japanese in WW2, and the Germans, Russians, Serbians, etc. in WW1.
Were they all the bad guys?

Almost all of the countries you named where considered bad guys later or at that time...

I know.
But Serbia wasn't, nor Russia, and I think Germany should have won WW1 but not WW2.
Point is it's not Black and White.
Just because you kill protesters doesn't automatically make you the bad guy.
Else every nation and many coups have all been the bad guys.
Yes, it's regrettable that people die, but it's inevitable.
Do I support people who kill protesters? No. But I don't automatically consider them the bad guys. I take into their account their other actions.

[Upendo Mwenyewe]

Whoever wins, the purges that will follow would make Stalin blush.

You like drama.

Indeed I do.