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Postby Free Missouri » Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:54 pm

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Let's keep the theme going ;)

By the way, do you think the US has grounds enough to deny the extradition of Gulen? Looks like Turkey is invoking the US-Turkey treaty, but iirc the US also signed a convention which can be used to argue against the extradition - on the grounds of the suspect that Gulen won't be facing a fair trial.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/us-rea ... sCatID=510



Yes the US has grounds. very good grounds: We have more guns than they do, we already know that Erdogan isn't known for giving fair trials, very much more so after he's purged his judicial system. AND MOST OF ALL:

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Postby Olerand » Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:55 pm

Free Missouri wrote:
Risottia wrote:Let's keep the theme going ;)

By the way, do you think the US has grounds enough to deny the extradition of Gulen? Looks like Turkey is invoking the US-Turkey treaty, but iirc the US also signed a convention which can be used to argue against the extradition - on the grounds of the suspect that Gulen won't be facing a fair trial.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/us-rea ... sCatID=510



Yes the US has grounds. very good grounds: We have more guns than they do, we already know that Erdogan isn't known for giving fair trials, very much more so after he's purged his judicial system. AND MOST OF ALL:

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But that's not how this works. The US would need a legal reason to deny Turkey's extradition demand. Saying "we've got more guns and nukes" isn't... Something that's going to be said.
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Postby Risottia » Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:56 pm

Olerand wrote:But that's not how this works. The US would need a legal reason to deny Turkey's extradition demand. Saying "we've got more guns and nukes" isn't... Something that's going to be said.

Especially not to a key ally in that region.
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Postby Free Missouri » Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:22 pm

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Olerand wrote:But that's not how this works. The US would need a legal reason to deny Turkey's extradition demand. Saying "we've got more guns and nukes" isn't... Something that's going to be said.

Especially not to a key ally in that region.


He's purged their Judicial System and ginned up paranoia aimed at Gulen, ensuring that he will get the verdict that he wants. We cannot extradite someone to such conditions based on, among other things, the UN Declaration of Human Rights, Article 10:

Article 10.

Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.


With Erdogan threatening the US (quite stupidly, and hopefully a bluff, I surely hope no one short of Iran and North Korea is that stupid.), and these rumors of him making a comment about the 1500 troops at Incirlik being "hostages," It's perfectly reasonable to say: We will not extradite him, and come on and attack us because our words, as well as those of a declaration that both of our countries signed, are backed with nuclear weapons.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:33 pm

Olerand wrote:
Free Missouri wrote:

Yes the US has grounds. very good grounds: We have more guns than they do, we already know that Erdogan isn't known for giving fair trials, very much more so after he's purged his judicial system. AND MOST OF ALL:

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But that's not how this works. The US would need a legal reason to deny Turkey's extradition demand. Saying "we've got more guns and nukes" isn't... Something that's going to be said.


Yeah, the US isn't too fond of international law. I'm quite sure they could just deny extradition on the whims of the Secretary of State.....or I've been watching too much house of cards. :p
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Postby Free Missouri » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:04 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Olerand wrote:But that's not how this works. The US would need a legal reason to deny Turkey's extradition demand. Saying "we've got more guns and nukes" isn't... Something that's going to be said.


Yeah, the US isn't too fond of international law. I'm quite sure they could just deny extradition on the whims of the Secretary of State.....or I've been watching too much house of cards. :p


Nah, house of cards is just about right for US Politics
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Postby Novus America » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:17 pm

Olerand wrote:
Free Missouri wrote:

Yes the US has grounds. very good grounds: We have more guns than they do, we already know that Erdogan isn't known for giving fair trials, very much more so after he's purged his judicial system. AND MOST OF ALL:

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But that's not how this works. The US would need a legal reason to deny Turkey's extradition demand. Saying "we've got more guns and nukes" isn't... Something that's going to be said.


In extradition the burden of proof is on the country making the demand, Turkey in this case. If Turkey cannot offer enough proof to convince a US court, the court will not approve the extradition demand.
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Postby Frank Zipper » Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:42 am

15,000 education staff suspended, clearly all coup leaders... it's going to get bad in Turkey.
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Postby Eisen Choras » Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:51 am

Frank Zipper wrote:15,000 education staff suspended, clearly all coup leaders... it's going to get bad worse in Turkey.


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Postby Stonec » Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:59 am

Those 15,000 deans and headmasters were clearly conspiring with the roughly 2000 soldiers who were obviously working to smash Democracy.

Also the Death Penalty is necessary for some reason.

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Postby Frank Zipper » Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:20 am

Stonec wrote:Those 15,000 deans and headmasters were clearly conspiring with the roughly 2000 soldiers who were obviously working to smash Democracy.

Also the Death Penalty is necessary for some reason.


It will be the hardcore subversives like librarians, quantity surveyors, and florists next.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:25 am

I suspect by the end of the year Turkey will be rife with Best Koreanesque public service announcements praising Erdogan for being directly responsible for the creation of Turkey and miracles like raising the dead.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:27 am

Frank Zipper wrote:
Stonec wrote:Those 15,000 deans and headmasters were clearly conspiring with the roughly 2000 soldiers who were obviously working to smash Democracy.

Also the Death Penalty is necessary for some reason.


It will be the hardcore subversives like librarians, quantity surveyors, and florists next.


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Postby Mefpan » Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:31 am

Gauthier wrote:I suspect by the end of the year Turkey will be rife with Best Koreanesque public service announcements praising Erdogan for being directly responsible for the creation of Turkey and miracles like raising the dead.

More like putting the dead back to rest, because by now Atatürk should've clawed his way out of Turkish soil and very emphatically made clear to Erdogan that he should shut the fez up already.
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All passengers, this is the final stop for for the Turkey Deomcracy train. All passengers must transfer to dictatorship crazy train.
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Postby Igoria » Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:46 am

Close to 30,000 people have been sacked or arrested in connection with the coup over the course of 3 days. Yezhov would be proud.
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Postby Seraven » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:27 am

Igoria wrote:Close to 30,000 people have been sacked or arrested in connection with the coup over the course of 3 days. Yezhov would be proud.


Say goodbye to freedom, kids!

Soon the secularists will receive the same thing...and then Islamist reign is strong. I don't really like Erdogan's Turkey any longer. :(
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Postby Mefpan » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:39 am

Seraven wrote:
Igoria wrote:Close to 30,000 people have been sacked or arrested in connection with the coup over the course of 3 days. Yezhov would be proud.


Say goodbye to freedom, kids!

Soon the secularists will receive the same thing...and then Islamist reign is strong. I don't really like Erdogan's Turkey any longer. :(

Don't worry, it won't be the Ottoman Empire reborn.

...Erdogan Empire rolls off the tongue just as easily and is more descriptive to boot.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:42 am

Mefpan wrote:
Seraven wrote:
Say goodbye to freedom, kids!

Soon the secularists will receive the same thing...and then Islamist reign is strong. I don't really like Erdogan's Turkey any longer. :(

Don't worry, it won't be the Ottoman Empire reborn.

...Erdogan Empire rolls off the tongue just as easily and is more descriptive to boot.


And then he declares himself a new Prophet and starts scribbling shit.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:49 am

Gauthier wrote:
Mefpan wrote:Don't worry, it won't be the Ottoman Empire reborn.

...Erdogan Empire rolls off the tongue just as easily and is more descriptive to boot.


And then he declares himself a new Prophet and starts scribbling shit.


And then the NATO freedom brigade comes and topples Saddam Erdogan.
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Postby Trumpostan » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:36 pm

I suspect this Erdogan dude wants to resurrect the Ottoman caliphate with himself as caliph. He already has ISIS which will make him seem moderate in comparison, he could eventually send in his own army and crush it, making him the liberator.
And the EU doesn't want to offend him and the USA won't risk losing access to Turkish bases, he's playing his cards right.
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Postby Herador » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:46 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
And then he declares himself a new Prophet and starts scribbling shit.


And then the NATO freedom brigade comes and topples Saddam Erdogan.

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And then the NATO freedom brigade comes and topples Saddam Erdogan.

Middle East round three y'all, I'll start selling tickets.


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