Turkey thread: now stuffed with more authoritarianism!

[Cedoria]

This false flag narrative seems a bit complicated and unnecessary. Erdogan already has enough support plus us and eu as allies. Staging a coup against himself to boost his poll numbers is not entirely out of the realm of possibility but seems rather unlikely.

The thing is he tried to rewrite the constitution, but failed. As president he has few official powers. Something he is very unhappy with.

I do not know if he did it or not. But it seems like something he might do. He is not content with the power he has, he wants more. Power is like heroin, you cannot get enough, you keep wanting more and more, until it kills you.

I don't disagree, but it does seem like staging a coup against himself would be unnecessary for Erdogan to purge his enemies, he's never needed to do it before.

I concur it might be something's that he's crazy enough to do, but I doubt it would've been necessary, so we have to be a little sceptical of such conspiratorial claims,

[Republic of the Cristo]

Unfortunate the coup failed. The overthrow of Erdogan is long overdue. But nevertheless it was a hopeful sign that he has not eradicated all resistance.

Whether I would speak for the post-Erdogan government would depend on their behaviour, but the overthrow of a theocratic, tyrannical dictator is always a good thing, hopefully this means Erdogan doesn't have long too go, crackdowns like this always backfire eventually.

My hope is the Turkish people can soon free themselves of this monomaniac and his thuggish gang of brown shirts, but we'll see what the future brings.

I'm pessimistic about this failure and the people who died of course, but I'm optimistic about the future of Turkey, and lack of future for Erdogan.

I am a Theocrat, and sir, Erdogan is not a theocrat. He is conservative, there is a big difference.

[Great Feng]

Unfortunate the coup failed. The overthrow of Erdogan is long overdue. But nevertheless it was a hopeful sign that he has not eradicated all resistance.

Whether I would speak for the post-Erdogan government would depend on their behaviour, but the overthrow of a theocratic, tyrannical dictator is always a good thing, hopefully this means Erdogan doesn't have long too go, crackdowns like this always backfire eventually.

My hope is the Turkish people can soon free themselves of this monomaniac and his thuggish gang of brown shirts, but we'll see what the future brings.

I'm pessimistic about this failure and the people who died of course, but I'm optimistic about the future of Turkey, and lack of future for Erdogan.

I am a Theocrat, and sir, Erdogan is not a theocrat. He is conservative, there is a big difference.

True, but he's brutal as all hell.

[Republic of the Cristo]

I am a Theocrat, and sir, Erdogan is not a theocrat. He is conservative, there is a big difference.

True, but he's brutal as all hell.

That's universal to all politics

[Western Weyard]

I don't disagree, but it does seem like staging a coup against himself would be unnecessary for Erdogan to purge his enemies, he's never needed to do it before.

I concur it might be something's that he's crazy enough to do, but I doubt it would've been necessary, so we have to be a little sceptical of such conspiratorial claims,

As I said earlier in this thread: Another possibilty is that he and his cronies were aware of the coup plans and decided to let the plotters proceed.

[Great Feng]

True, but he's brutal as all hell.

That's universal to all politics

Perhaps.
I feel like Democracy will soon be a thing of the past, even in the west...
On the bright side, Monarchy will be a thing again and thus more cool empires and more cool wars(Speaking strictly from a history nerd perspective).
On the dark side...
*Bloodshed everywhere*

[The balkens]

That's universal to all politics

Perhaps.
I feel like Democracy will soon be a thing of the past, even in the west...
On the bright side, Monarchy will be a thing again and thus more cool empires and more cool wars(Speaking strictly from a history nerd perspective).
On the dark side...
*Bloodshed everywhere*

If the west is in danger of being toppled, i believe it is time for us to put pressure on our boots.

[Askavatan]

On the bright side, Monarchy will be a thing again

Umm, wat. Just because democracy seems to weaken, doesn't mean republics are actually going to revert to monarchism. They may become dictatorships, even family dictatorships, but not formal monarchies.

[Great Feng]

Perhaps.
I feel like Democracy will soon be a thing of the past, even in the west...
On the bright side, Monarchy will be a thing again and thus more cool empires and more cool wars(Speaking strictly from a history nerd perspective).
On the dark side...
*Bloodshed everywhere*

If the west is in danger of being toppled, i believe it is time for us to put pressure on our boots.

Well in my opinion, the age of the west is coming to a close no matter what. Sadly as much as I like Democracy, I would adjust to this new world. On the bright side, I can maybe be the next Frederick The Great or Napoleon. Unlikely yeah, but hey, it's a cool dream at least.

[The Romulan Republic]

I think its time to dust off my old call to boot Turkey from NATO.

[Great Feng]

On the bright side, Monarchy will be a thing again

Umm, wat. Just because democracy seems to weaken, doesn't mean republics are actually going to revert to monarchism. They may become dictatorships, even family dictatorships, but not formal monarchies.

Or Fascism.
Regardless, I get what you're saying. But either way, Dictatorships will make a comeback, and/or then maybe monarchies may get more popularity.
Regardless, I'd prefer Monarchies over Dictatorships. More fancy and cool to read about in history books.

[The Romulan Republic]

Umm, wat. Just because democracy seems to weaken, doesn't mean republics are actually going to revert to monarchism. They may become dictatorships, even family dictatorships, but not formal monarchies.

Or Fascism.
Regardless, I get what you're saying. But either way, Dictatorships will make a comeback, and/or then maybe monarchies may get more popularity.
Regardless, I'd prefer Monarchies over Dictatorships. More fancy and cool to read about in history books.

Monarchies are either constitutional, or simply another form of dictatorship.

In any case, hereditary monarchies enshrine the idea that some people matter more than others based on ancestry, and I find that philosophically abhorrent and dangerous.

I would sooner pick my leader's name out of a hat, and rely on chance or fate, than have it determined by heredity, I think.

[Herskerstad]

Apparently the F-16's had Erdogan's plane in their sights with a lock-on.

Why they did not fire is not clear yet.

[Jochizyd Republic]

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In any case, hereditary monarchies enshrine the idea that some people matter more than others based on ancestry, and I find that philosophically abhorrent and dangerous.

Why? The differences of people and their abilities is clearly demonstrated. Not everyone is the same. Great men do exist with much greater abilities in terms of leadership than the average person.

I see now that it makes sense to try and preserve the bloodline of such people. It doesn't always work. But it could and it has for the longest time.

A total of NOBODY in the AKP is like that. Least of all Erdogan. But to reinstate the Ottomans might not be the worst move The Turkish people could make. It's better than populism and has far more potential than liberalism.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Apparently the F-16's had Erdogan's plane in their sights with a lock-on.

Why they did not fire is not clear yet.

The evidence that this was a false flag operation keeps piling up. Jeez.

[Vedilia]

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In any case, hereditary monarchies enshrine the idea that some people matter more than others based on ancestry, and I find that philosophically abhorrent and dangerous.

Why? The differences of people and their abilities is clearly demonstrated. Not everyone is the same. Great men do exist with much greater abilities in terms of leadership than the average person.

I see now that it makes sense to try and preserve the bloodline of such people. It doesn't always work. But it could and it has for the longest time.

A total of NOBODY in the AKP is like that. Least of all Erdogan. But to reinstate the Ottomans might not be the worst move The Turkish people could make. It's better than populism and has far more potential than liberalism.

Don't mandate that they inbreed, otherwise you end up with diminutive lispers like King Charles II of Spain.

[The Conez Imperium]

The US also parked ICBMs in Turkey which is within short striking range of Russia's major population centers. Consequently Turkey's convenient location makes it a desirable NATO ally despite its non-democratic government. But that was a cold-war reason, the more current reason is most likely as Imperializt Russia said.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why we had to have the Cuban Missile Crisis.

If memory serves me correctly the US did agree to remove US ICBMs from Turkey in a negotiation following the Cuban missile crisis. Was a smart choice in retrospection considering how unstable Turkey is.

[Sitosia]

Umm, wat. Just because democracy seems to weaken, doesn't mean republics are actually going to revert to monarchism. They may become dictatorships, even family dictatorships, but not formal monarchies.

Or Fascism.
Regardless, I get what you're saying. But either way, Dictatorships will make a comeback, and/or then maybe monarchies may get more popularity.
Regardless, I'd prefer Monarchies over Dictatorships. More fancy and cool to read about in history books.

Trump is running for King. Pretty close.

[The Conez Imperium]

Who are the supporters of Erdogan? Why do they support him?

Anyone willing to answer this question as it would be useful in judging if the coup was "doomed from the beginning"

[Geilinor]

Who are the supporters of Erdogan? Why do they support him?

Anyone willing to answer this question as it would be useful in judging if the coup was "doomed from the beginning"

Conservatives, highly religious people, the poor and working-class, rural dwellers, people from central and eastern Turkey. Most of those categories overlap.

[Spirit of Hope]

Apparently the F-16's had Erdogan's plane in their sights with a lock-on.

Why they did not fire is not clear yet.

Probably because Erdogan's plane had a fighter escort, shooting him down would have been a very public event that would have made Erdogan a martyr, and drawn international condemnation. If they had opened fire and not brought the pane down Erdogan could have a strong hand to ask for NATO/US support.

There are more good reasons to not shoot him down than their were to shoot him down. Successfully shooting Erdogan down would not have collapsed resistance to the coup, and in the air there was little Erdogan could do to organize efforts against the coup. Instead Erdogan was almost entirely relying on allies on the ground, who would have continued in there efforts even if Erdogan died.

[Dalvius]

episode V: The Empire Strikes Back

After the Rebel base on is taken over by the Empire, the rebel heroes flee across the galaxy from the Empire. Many retreat to the forgotten lands of the surrounding Arabian countries, but The dark Lord Erdogan and his imperial troopers quickly find them. Our rebel heroes escape the Turkish Border, but are later captured by Darth Vader Erodgan. Will the USA manage to rescue their soldiers from the Dark Lord?

[The Two Jerseys]

So I was just reading comments by some Erdogan apologist on Facebook about how Turkey could go and grab Gulen Adolf Eichmann-style if the US refuses to extradite him.

Thank God I wasn't drinking anything when I read this, because that would have made a huge mess.

[Thermodolia]

So I was just reading comments by some Erdogan apologist on Facebook about how Turkey could go and grab Gulen Adolf Eichmann-style if the US refuses to extradite him.

Thank God I wasn't drinking anything when I read this, because that would have made a huge mess.

Does that guy realize how fucked up Turkey would be?

[Senkaku]

Apparently the F-16's had Erdogan's plane in their sights with a lock-on.

Why they did not fire is not clear yet.

Source?

Source: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-1 ... d-did-noth