Turkey thread: now stuffed with more authoritarianism!

[Olerand]

You'd think a few well placed bullets would be a more effective option than a high-risk coup.

It would have probably been more effective to combine an assassination with the coup.

No, not an assassination. Assassinating Erdogan is much too risky. Arresting him, preventing him from getting on his plane and Facetiming his fans, would have potentially given this shit-show a chance to succeed, however.

But they'd need the US Air Force airmen who know how to maintain them and who can access the bunkers where they're stored, plus the B61s that are in Turkey are unguided tactical weapons that you'd have to deliver by aircraft in order to not die, and it'd be very hard to use them in an offensive situation and not destroy the pilot and the aircraft.

Err, no, or B-61 would never have become the one remaining NATO forward-deployed tactical weapon (aside from France's tactical arms).

Britain uses the B-61?

[Imperializt Russia]

Not at all.

There are five states in the NATO nuclear-sharing programme, including Italy, the Netherlands, Turkey and two others.
They maintain joint US/[that nation] airbases which store B-61s. There are believed to be 200 B-61s in Europe, about half of the remaining US inventory of the type.

[Calimera II]

"Ne Şeriat, Ne Darbe, Laik TÜRKİYE" is trending topic in Turkey. Definitely an Anti-Erdogan Trending Topic. It translates to: "No sharia, no coup, secular TURKEY."

[Olerand]

"Ne Şeriat, Ne Darbe, Laik TÜRKİYE" is trending topic in Turkey. Definitely an Anti-Erdogan Trending Topic. It translates to: "No sharia, no coup, secular TURKEY."

Well, he's got the political capital now, and the AKP has the electoral support. So, the urban, Aegean Sea bourgeoisie can complain all they want. Anatolia is going to deliver them an Islamic Republic.

[Calimera II]

"Ne Şeriat, Ne Darbe, Laik TÜRKİYE" is trending topic in Turkey. Definitely an Anti-Erdogan Trending Topic. It translates to: "No sharia, no coup, secular TURKEY."

Well, he's got the political capital now, and the AKP has the electoral support. So, the urban, Aegean Sea bourgeoisie can complain all they want. Anatolia is going to deliver them an Islamic Republic.

Poor Turks.

[Olerand]

Well, he's got the political capital now, and the AKP has the electoral support. So, the urban, Aegean Sea bourgeoisie can complain all they want. Anatolia is going to deliver them an Islamic Republic.

Poor Turks.

Well, not really. A majority of them does want that, and I don't know where the supporters of the MHP stand on the issue. So really, poor 1/3 of Turkey who votes for the CHP/HDP.

[Gauthier]

So goodbye Turkey, hello Ottomanistan.

[Novus America]

Even if the seized them (Erdogan is not that insane). They are just paperweights without the codes to arm them. And I seriously doubt the codes are kept on location in Turkey.

Probably with NATO command in Brussels.

More likely in the Pentagon since they're US bombs.

Well SACEUR is American. I would think the codes are with US European command rather than the Pentagon. But the are certainly not anywhere Erdogan can get them.

[Olerand]

So goodbye Turkey, hello Ottomanistan.

The Islamic Republic will still be fundamentally Turkish. Erdogan has masterfully married Islamism to Turkish nationalism, and his new Republic will undoubtedly be both.
I also doubt the dynasty of Osman wants much to do with this, to be honest.
This isn't a rebirth of the Sultanate, this is something entirely new.

[Novus America]

You'd think a few well placed bullets would be a more effective option than a high-risk coup.

They can't possibly assassinate him. The AKP has purged the apparatus of State, from the functionaries, to the judiciary, through the police and much of the army. Assassinating him means the AKP-State would still exist and would purge them anyway.

Without Erdogan AKP would probably collapse into violent infighting. AKP is like United Russia, it is a party of a cult of personality. I doubt AKP could have an orderly succession.

[Olerand]

They can't possibly assassinate him. The AKP has purged the apparatus of State, from the functionaries, to the judiciary, through the police and much of the army. Assassinating him means the AKP-State would still exist and would purge them anyway.

Without Erdogan AKP would probably collapse into violent infighting. AKP is like United Russia, it is a party of a cult of personality. I doubt AKP could have an orderly succession.

Like the Turkish poster said, the AKP has plenty of capable men. Erdogan's strength has turned it into a one-man party, but without him, it can be more. Same goes for United Russia. They have capable politicians, but they are in the shadows of the Goliath of the country.

[Milizewe]

Without Erdogan AKP would probably collapse into violent infighting. AKP is like United Russia, it is a party of a cult of personality. I doubt AKP could have an orderly succession.

Like the Turkish poster said, the AKP has plenty of capable men. Erdogan's strength has turned it into a one-man party, but without him, it can be more. Same goes for United Russia. They have capable politicians, but they are in the shadows of the Goliath of the country.

Well still, Davutoglu would be better than Erdogan.

[Souseiseki]

list of members of the constitutional court of turkey that have not been arrested:

[Narintia]

So goodbye Turkey, hello Ottomanistan.

Nova Ottoman, with capital of Ankara, greatest fear of Byzantine revivalists

[Unified Governments]

You were saying?

Exactly. Erdogan is doing all of the things Hitler has done before WWII. Now he just needs to invade another country (Syria) and pretend they are attacking Turkey.... He already has controlled the media, the legal and political structures.

Second Ottoman Empire when?

[Novus America]

Without Erdogan AKP would probably collapse into violent infighting. AKP is like United Russia, it is a party of a cult of personality. I doubt AKP could have an orderly succession.

Like the Turkish poster said, the AKP has plenty of capable men. Erdogan's strength has turned it into a one-man party, but without him, it can be more. Same goes for United Russia. They have capable politicians, but they are in the shadows of the Goliath of the country.

But as long as there is no one clear successor of these "capable" nen will fight each other for control. Thus causing the party to splinter into various factions.

Erdogan has destroyed the rule of law. So I do not think an orderly succession would be possible given the circumstances.

AKP ranges from center right bussiness types to radical Islamists. Without a strong man to hold it together it will collapse do it its internal contradictions and numerous competing and conflicting factions.

[Quokkastan]

So goodbye Turkey, hello Ottomanistan.

Nova Ottoman, with capital of Ankara, greatest fear of Byzantine revivalists

I need to sit down and think about this. If only there were some manner of thematically appropriate furniture on which to do so...

[North Borealia]

Tinfoil hats. Get your tinfoil hats over here. Ahem...
False flag? I mean, if you're an adult and you've watched Game of Thrones, you could plot a better coup than this one. Are we really to believe it came from a professional army that worships the heritage of M. Kemal Ataturk and has organised 3/3 successful coups in the past?
"Oh we're going to do it on a Friday right when all islamists get their dick hard with religious overzealousness, and while they're awake but not at work so they're all there in the streets. And to make sure that there's as many crowds as possible, we're going to cause traffic and block bridges. But then we'll ask for them to stay indoors."
"No we won't block social media". "We're not going to take control of the media, that would be too useful for us to insure a peaceful transition. No we just will publicly state that we are taking over the country and then pass the microphone to the calif... I mean the president. And when we make our announcement, we're definitively not going to have a charismatic leader read it with passion, and we won't use the already widespread rumors that he funds the islamic state and steals public funds to undermine him and legitimate ourselves, or explain why his political moves are anti constitutional. We're just going to have the TV announcer say we took over and read a piece of paper that says we're going to change the constitution that we're trying so hard to protect. Let's also keep it extremely vague what our motives are (we wouldn't want anyone to actually be sympathetic to our cause inside or outside our borders), or say who supports us, in case Erdogan wants to retcon eventually".
"I think we shouldn't achieve any tangible objective in order to increase the impact of our action. Let's not take down the power grid, not take over the radio or TV, let's not take the parliament, or the airport, or the frontiers. And most of all let's not even take over the army command chain. Let's not take our general hostage to make him publish our orders. Let's not shoot down the presidential illegal-palace that he fraudulently built with hundreds of millions of public funds. And let's do a bomb attack on the resort he was in, but one hour late, after we publicly announce we took over. Definitively not have a single man walk in with a gun and shoot him in the middle of the public restaurant, that would be way too simple. We're going to go through the trouble of making it a bomb attack so that he has a chance to escape. Also let's not take the prime minister or anyone from his anti constitutional party hostage. They can spend a good night a home."
"And then we're going to use all the planes we stole to fly close to the ground to scare the shit out of the civilians. We're definitively not going to use them to destroy any infrastructure or take down the presidential plane that circles around the airport for an hour and a half, that would be treason! No, we're just going to fly close to the ground, and at some point the president will ask that the airforce jets shoot down the airforce helicopters, and we'll do it, despite the fact that the whole air force chain of command seems to have rebelled at first but not at last. I'm sure that the jet drivers will have a way to see the tv announcement of Erdogan".
"And let's do this attack in the name of some moderate islamist. Not in the name of democracy or secularism. Nah. Let's do it in the name of his political enemy even though we're secularist, and not moderate islamist. Let's make sure that only a small group of soldiers participate in the events. Because some hundreds of men on the floor can definitively take down the country infrastructure, especially if they're told to keep some meaningless positions, like bridges and city squares, rather than mobile".
"How many of our loyal 2800 soldiers and 2800 judges and prosecutors should we deploy the night of the attack? Eh... let's put 50 on the bridge. Some in the square. Some in planes. Let's have 700 soldiers in our headquarters surrender immediately without taking arms as they are surprised in their sleep by the police. And 150 in base also surprised by the police, but with arms. How do we know the police will be there? Eh... shoot the hornet's nest for some reason. Let's use a helicopter to attack their headquarters at 11 PM when it's mostly empty. And then the other soldiers can be at home disorganized and unarmed".
"Let's give the soldiers no instructions as to weather or not they are to shoot in the crowd, that way they panic and get overwhelmed and killed and beheaded. Yep. Let's have 104 of our soldiers on the ground be executed by police before they can be interrogated."
"Are you sure this is a good idea Petyr Balish? I mean, maybe we should get some foreign help? I'm sure that Al-Assad would be more than happy to see Turkey restored to secularism, and for the ISIS support to stop. Or Russia. I mean, I'm sure the KGB would lend us a couple professional spies and assassins so that we don't fuck up the bomb-the-president part. Or Iran. Iran would be happy to get rid of a competing Sunni islamist nation in the surroundings. We don't have to do this alone".
"No Ned Stark. We have to act quickly. You're going to do your bridge thing with 150 men, and I'm going to make sure the rest of the army supports you. There's no time to get anyone else involved, especially not Stannis Putin. He's too competent".
"Okay I trust you. By the way didn't you get promoted to the top of the command chain just a few years ago when Erdogan cracked down on the military in order to reduce our secular influence?"
"Yes but I promise I'm not going to fake out last second and shoot down your helicopters with the Jets while you stand there stranded guarding a bridge and the rest of the army is caught with their pants down completely unaware that anything is going on. You guard the random bridge, I'm going to capture the president and plot the assassination, and take over the infrastructures".
"And why did we prepare a list of the 2800 soldiers under my command again?" "Oh that's hm... well, say we lose. We wouldn't want the mass process for treason to waste unnecessary public funds, right?"
"I guess".
- Probably how it happened.

[The Alma Mater]

Tinfoil hats. Get your tinfoil hats over here. Ahem...
False flag? I mean, if you're an adult and you've watched Game of Thrones, you could plot a better coup than this one. Are we really to believe it came from a professional army that worships the heritage of M. Kemal Ataturk and has organised 3/3 successful coups in the past?

Maybe it was a false false flag The military acting all incompetent so that no sane person would believe it was not Erdogans own doing

[Calimera II]

Poor Turks.

Well, not really. A majority of them does want that, and I don't know where the supporters of the MHP stand on the issue. So really, poor 1/3 of Turkey who votes for the CHP/HDP.

Considering the threshold, Erdogan did not get 50% of all votes. So, yes, poor Turkey.

[Baltenstein]

So apparently, the coupists could have killed Erdogan at one point.

At the height of the attempt to overthrow Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan, the rebel pilots of two F-16 fighter jets had Erdogan's plane in their sights. And yet he was able to fly on.

The Turkish leader was returning to Istanbul from a holiday near the coastal resort of Marmaris after a faction in the military launched the coup attempt on Friday night, sealing off a bridge across the Bosphorus, trying to capture Istanbul's main airport and sending tanks to parliament in Ankara.

"At least two F-16s harassed Erdogan's plane while it was in the air and en route to Istanbul. They locked their radars on his plane and on two other F-16s protecting him," a former military officer with knowledge of the events told Reuters.

"Why they didn't fire is a mystery," he said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turke ... ium=Social

[Gauthier]

So apparently, the coupists could have killed Erdogan at one point.

At the height of the attempt to overthrow Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan, the rebel pilots of two F-16 fighter jets had Erdogan's plane in their sights. And yet he was able to fly on.

The Turkish leader was returning to Istanbul from a holiday near the coastal resort of Marmaris after a faction in the military launched the coup attempt on Friday night, sealing off a bridge across the Bosphorus, trying to capture Istanbul's main airport and sending tanks to parliament in Ankara.

"At least two F-16s harassed Erdogan's plane while it was in the air and en route to Istanbul. They locked their radars on his plane and on two other F-16s protecting him," a former military officer with knowledge of the events told Reuters.

"Why they didn't fire is a mystery," he said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turke ... ium=Social

Either "They thought it was just an exercise" or "They were being ordered not to fire."

[Socialist Nordia]

So apparently, the coupists could have killed Erdogan at one point.

At the height of the attempt to overthrow Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan, the rebel pilots of two F-16 fighter jets had Erdogan's plane in their sights. And yet he was able to fly on.

The Turkish leader was returning to Istanbul from a holiday near the coastal resort of Marmaris after a faction in the military launched the coup attempt on Friday night, sealing off a bridge across the Bosphorus, trying to capture Istanbul's main airport and sending tanks to parliament in Ankara.

"At least two F-16s harassed Erdogan's plane while it was in the air and en route to Istanbul. They locked their radars on his plane and on two other F-16s protecting him," a former military officer with knowledge of the events told Reuters.

"Why they didn't fire is a mystery," he said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turke ... ium=Social

Because it was a fake coup, masterminded by Erdogan all along. He's using it as an excuse to expand his own power.

[Trotskylvania]

So apparently, the coupists could have killed Erdogan at one point.



http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turke ... ium=Social

Either "They thought it was just an exercise" or "They were being ordered not to fire."

The more I hear, the sketchier this turns out to be.

[Imperializt Russia]

So apparently, the coupists could have killed Erdogan at one point.



http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turke ... ium=Social

Because it was a fake coup, masterminded by Erdogan all along. He's using it as an excuse to expand his own power.

Then there'd be no point in actually tailing the jet.