Turkey thread: now stuffed with more authoritarianism!

[Major-Tom]

Staying next to the Turkish Embassy on the Champs Elysee. Armed guards next to said embassy 24/7. Makes sense.

[The Romulan Republic]

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No they don't have nuclear weapons.

There are american nuclear weapons in Turkey, so they could sieze them if Erdy went very crazy.

Erdogan would be lucky to live out the day if he tried. The only question would be weather Russia or America or Israel would level his country first if it came down to it.

[Vassenor]

The assuming codes are in the care and custody of OUR military, though. They couldn't do shit even if they tried.

A few thousand American soldiers against the entire Turkish army?

And then the rest of the US Military comes into play.

[The Romulan Republic]

A few thousand American soldiers against the entire Turkish army?

And then the rest of the US Military comes into play.

Yep. The millions of troops, the dozen-plus aircraft carriers, the thousands of nuclear weapons (though I don't think those would be necessary against Turkey)...

And then there's every other major power in the world. None of them would be happy about such a scenario.

In fact, perhaps my biggest concern in this thankfully ridiculously implausible scenario would be various other nations getting into conflicts with one another (most notably America and Russia) as they all rush to attack Turkey. Though presumably their'd be efforts to coordinate.

[West Aurelia]

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No they don't have nuclear weapons.

There are american nuclear weapons in Turkey, so they could sieze them if Erdy went very crazy.

Yes, because Erdoğan is so crazy he would risk war with the United States.

[Elepis]

There are american nuclear weapons in Turkey, so they could sieze them if Erdy went very crazy.

Yes, because Erdoğan is so crazy he would risk war with the United States.

You missed the "if" and "very"

[Vassenor]

There are american nuclear weapons in Turkey, so they could sieze them if Erdy went very crazy.

Yes, because Erdoğan is so crazy he would risk war with the United States.

They're certainly posturing that way with the whole extradition thing.

[West Aurelia]

The Justice Ministry says 6,000 military personnel, police officers, judges, and prosecutors have been arrested in connection with the coup. With so many people involved (and likely more arrests to come), it seems like a huge failure on the part of Turkish domestic intelligence.

[Calimera II]

Can I have a source on that?

Sure. If they were told it was an exercise, it would explain why a lot of soldiers surrendered almost immediately and abandoned their vehicles in the middle of the road.

Uhm.. on the bridges the soldiers literally said: "This is no exercise."

[The Alma Mater]

There are american nuclear weapons in Turkey, so they could sieze them if Erdy went very crazy.

Yes, because Erdoğan is so crazy he would risk war with the United States.

Well, one of the NATO bases that has them IS currently surrounded and blockaded by Turkish troops...

[Jochizyd Republic]

Shame. The AKP is corrupt and the Military kills inncoent people.
Erdogan and the AKP have destroyed the credibility of Neo Ottomanism and Clericalism. Hopefully someone actually committed to said values reinstates Ottoman values.

I can't say I agree with the Army. But I suppose they 're less corrupt than the AKP at least.

Not that I know enough about the Erdogan government to say whether or not it fits the bill, but aren't they constitutionally required to stage a coup if a government becomes too religiously fundamentalist?

>AKP
>Fundamentalist
Please. The AKP is supposed to be religiously conservative. But what makes them bad is their corruption and xenophobia. Their populist properties.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Now where should the Nationalists side on this?

They, despite being mostly secular, realize that the AKP is corrupt and decadent.

Will their values match up with the Kemalists though. Time will tell. I really hope this doesn't devolve into a Civil war for the sake of my friends that are probably still in Ankara.

[The Romulan Republic]

The Justice Ministry says 6,000 military personnel, police officers, judges, and prosecutors have been arrested in connection with the coup. With so many people involved (and likely more arrests to come), it seems like a huge failure on the part of Turkish domestic intelligence.

Or Erdogan is full of shit and is using this as a pretext to crack down on anyone he doesn't like.

[DBJ]

Pathetic attempt at a coup, apparently they never had the slightest chance of succeeding. The turkish military has plenty of experience, you'd expect more. I've read one explanation suggesting the secret service might have gotten wind of it, so they panicked and blew their load early.

[West Aurelia]

Pathetic attempt at a coup, apparently they never had the slightest chance of succeeding. The turkish military has plenty of experience, you'd expect more. I've read one explanation suggesting the secret service might have gotten wind of it, so they panicked and blew their load early.

I read that the military was going to sack some of the coup plotters due to lack of loyalty, causing them to launch the coup earlier. If Turkish intelligence became aware of it, I think they would have made that public by now.

[Valaran]

The Justice Ministry says 6,000 military personnel, police officers, judges, and prosecutors have been arrested in connection with the coup. With so many people involved (and likely more arrests to come), it seems like a huge failure on the part of Turkish domestic intelligence.

It is certainly a failure, but one should consider that MIT is possibly overstretched as it is, dealing with IS and the Kurds and foreign actors. Its likely that in light of Erdogan's deal with the military and supposedly thorough purges (as well as turf wars with other security forces), that the focus on internal dissent was de-prioritised in favour of seemingly more urgent problems.

[Imperializt Russia]

Erdogan should be thrown over as he's funding ISIS.

If a world power is not funding ISIS, then HOW the hell are terrorist attacks
NON
STOP!?

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There's this new thing called revenue streams, because IS owns (or rather owned, two years ago) shedloads of strategic assets. It was selling oil to the EU.

[Mike the Progressive]

Pathetic attempt at a coup, apparently they never had the slightest chance of succeeding. The turkish military has plenty of experience, you'd expect more. I've read one explanation suggesting the secret service might have gotten wind of it, so they panicked and blew their load early.

They failed to convince the rest of the military they were succeeding. It's all optics.

[Calimera II]

Many secular Turks think the coup was planned by Erdogan. True or not, Erdogan got his Reichstag Fire...

[Dooom35796821595]

Yes, because Erdoğan is so crazy he would risk war with the United States.

Well, one of the NATO bases that has them IS currently surrounded and blockaded by Turkish troops...

Would attacking a NATO base be considered an attack on NATO? I think that would allow article five to be triggered against Turkey.

[Baltenstein]

Well, one of the NATO bases that has them IS currently surrounded and blockaded by Turkish troops...

Would attacking a NATO base be considered an attack on NATO? I think that would allow article five to be triggered against Turkey.

Considering that NATO forces (namely, those of Greece and Turkey) have engaged each other in the past without triggering a joint NATO response, probably not.

[Dooom35796821595]

Would attacking a NATO base be considered an attack on NATO? I think that would allow article five to be triggered against Turkey.

Considering that NATO forces (namely, those of Greece and Turkey) have engaged each other in the past without triggering a joint NATO response, probably not.

But attacking an American base where nuclear weapons are stored?

[Baltenstein]

Now where should the Nationalists side on this?

They, despite being mostly secular, realize that the AKP is corrupt and decadent.

Will their values match up with the Kemalists though. Time will tell. I really hope this doesn't devolve into a Civil war for the sake of my friends that are probably still in Ankara.

Which nationalists do you mean? The MHP? They have become the AKP's toadies for all intents and purposes.

[The Alma Mater]

Well, one of the NATO bases that has them IS currently surrounded and blockaded by Turkish troops...

Would attacking a NATO base be considered an attack on NATO? I think that would allow article five to be triggered against Turkey.

We'll never know - the commander of Incirlik Air Base was just arrested by Erdogans forces. As such, the Turks stopped the blockade.

[Novus America]

There are american nuclear weapons in Turkey, so they could sieze them if Erdy went very crazy.

But they'd need the US Air Force airmen who know how to maintain them and who can access the bunkers where they're stored, plus the B61s that are in Turkey are unguided tactical weapons that you'd have to deliver by aircraft in order to not die, and it'd be very hard to use them in an offensive situation and not destroy the pilot and the aircraft.

Even if the seized them (Erdogan is not that insane). They are just paperweights without the codes to arm them. And I seriously doubt the codes are kept on location in Turkey.

Probably with NATO command in Brussels.