Turkey thread: now stuffed with more authoritarianism!

[Western Weyard]

I hope so too. Turkey is useful but we need to have limits. We cannot keep bending over backwards for Erdogan. And of course Merkel would fold. It sounds like Obama wants to fold but legally cannot. Gulen no doubt has good lawyers who can tie up any extradition attempt if not kill it altogether.

"US Secretary of State John Kerry said the Obama administration would entertain an extradition request but Turkey would have to prove wrongdoing by Gulen. - See more at: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/world/nt ... Evngi.dpuf

Then the big question of course is: What happens if, for whatever reason, Obama doesn't fold?
How willing would Erdogan be to escalate further? Not necessarily directly towards the US, but rather towards the EU to put pressure on the US. He's got a lot of vocal and aggressive support especially here in Germany... See the reaction regarding the Armenia resolution in the Bundestag.

[Dalvius]

A moment of silence for Turkey.

[Novus America]

I hope so too. Turkey is useful but we need to have limits. We cannot keep bending over backwards for Erdogan. And of course Merkel would fold. It sounds like Obama wants to fold but legally cannot. Gulen no doubt has good lawyers who can tie up any extradition attempt if not kill it altogether.

"US Secretary of State John Kerry said the Obama administration would entertain an extradition request but Turkey would have to prove wrongdoing by Gulen. - See more at: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/world/nt ... Evngi.dpuf

Then the big question of course is: What happens if, for whatever reason, Obama doesn't fold?
How willing would Erdogan be to escalate further? Not necessarily directly towards the US, but rather towards the EU to put pressure on the US. He's got a lot of vocal and aggressive support especially here in Germany... See the reaction regarding the Armenia resolution in the Bundestag.

Well it looks like Obama already folded, but that this is out of his hands. The US has an independent judiciary Obama cannot control.

How will Erdogan react to that? He will not be able to pressure judges like he does Obama. Will Erdogan just not get it and escalate anyway? How far will he go? Interesting questions indeed. What worries me is Erdogan does not know when to stop, does not understand moderation nor diplomacy. He thinks he can just order and everyone most obey his extreme holiness.

Because Erdogan is not rational he is very hard to predict.

[Great Feng]

So...will Turkey declare war on USA if we don't give Gulen to Erdogan?

[Valaran]

So...will Turkey declare war on USA if we don't give Gulen to Erdogan?

That would be a no.

[Novus America]

So...will Turkey declare war on USA if we don't give Gulen to Erdogan?

Erdogan is crazy. But he is not THAT crazy. So he would not go that far. But he can do a lot of other less crazy but still crazy things.

[Shazbotdom]

Don't we have Foreign Aide going to Turkey? If he indirectly threatens us, pull the Aide money.

[Western Weyard]

So...will Turkey declare war on USA if we don't give Gulen to Erdogan?

Erdogan is crazy. But he is not THAT crazy. So he would not go that far. But he can do a lot of other less crazy but still crazy things.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised to see some very "angry" and well-coordinated protesters in Berlin... Jubelperser reloaded.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

So...will Turkey declare war on USA if we don't give Gulen to Erdogan?

No. But he will pull some shit. What shit that is remains to be seen.

While we wait...

[Novus America]

Don't we have Foreign Aide going to Turkey? If he indirectly threatens us, pull the Aide money.

We are not going to take any action against Turkey whatsoever. To do so would require leadership that was both strong and smart. It would take strength and delicacy.

Such leaders simply do not exist in the west.

[Western Weyard]

So...will Turkey declare war on USA if we don't give Gulen to Erdogan?

No. But he will pull some shit. What shit that is remains to be seen.

While we wait...

Actually, the Bundeswehr troops at Incirlik should play that song on infinite loop.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

No. But he will pull some shit. What shit that is remains to be seen.

While we wait...

Actually, the Bundeswehr troops at Incirlik should play that song on infinite loop.

Yes! This! So much this! Merkel plz read.

[San Marlindo]

So...will Turkey declare war on USA if we don't give Gulen to Erdogan?

Considering Turkey buys all their military equipment and associated parts from the US, no.

They would run into a hell of a lot of trouble keeping their armed forces afloat without the American defense industry supplying them.

[Dalvius]

So...will Turkey declare war on USA if we don't give Gulen to Erdogan?

No. But he will pull some shit. What shit that is remains to be seen.

While we wait...

If this is sober Erdogan

Imagine


Drunk Erdogan

[Western Weyard]

So...will Turkey declare war on USA if we don't give Gulen to Erdogan?

Considering Turkey buys all their military equipment and associated parts from the US, no.

They would run into a hell of a lot of trouble keeping their armed forces afloat without the American defense industry supplying them.

You're assuming Erdogan is thinking logically.

[San Marlindo]

Don't we have Foreign Aide going to Turkey? If he indirectly threatens us, pull the Aide money.

The US supplies all of Turkey's tanks, heavy weapons, and aircraft anyway. All they have to do is stop sending parts to Ankara.

[Great Feng]

So if he's not going to war...He'll look weak.
...
At this point it seems like Erdogan will be overthrown in a few months after this failed coup.

[Nariterrr]

Anything new?

[Farnhamia]

Don't we have Foreign Aide going to Turkey? If he indirectly threatens us, pull the Aide money.

The US supplies all of Turkey's tanks, heavy weapons, and aircraft anyway. All they have to do is stop sending parts to Ankara.

They should send all the parts to Anakara, to the Presidential Palace. All of them. Let Erdogan forward them to wherever they go.

[Organized States]

So if he's not going to war...He'll look weak.
...
At this point it seems like Erdogan will be overthrown in a few months after this failed coup.

I think you fail to understand how complex Turkey's internal politics are.

[San Marlindo]

Considering Turkey buys all their military equipment and associated parts from the US, no.

They would run into a hell of a lot of trouble keeping their armed forces afloat without the American defense industry supplying them.

You're assuming Erdogan is thinking logically.

There's a difference between crazy and stupid.

[Novus America]

Actually, the Bundeswehr troops at Incirlik should play that song on infinite loop.

Yes! This! So much this! Merkel plz read.

Merkel is Erdogan's obedient little dog. She would not disobey her master.

[Dalvius]

Yes! This! So much this! Merkel plz read.

Merkel is Erdogan's obedient little dog. She would not disobey her master.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[Novus America]

You're assuming Erdogan is thinking logically.

There's a difference between crazy and stupid.

True. But Erdogan has pulled some pretty stupid shit.

[Great Feng]

So if he's not going to war...He'll look weak.
...
At this point it seems like Erdogan will be overthrown in a few months after this failed coup.

I think you fail to understand how complex Turkey's internal politics are.

I know, I'm just being hopeful.