Turkey thread: now stuffed with more authoritarianism!

[Great Feng]

I read they following orders from Islamic cleric named Fethullah Gülen, who criticized secularism.

Sky News said the Gülen movement condemned the coup.

It's all chaos at this point, there will be numerous false reports.
Just wait until it's over for accurate news.

[Valaran]

I read they following orders from Islamic cleric named Fethullah Gülen, who criticized secularism.

Christ, I don't really have time to go for an in-depth history lesson, but Erodgan and Gulen used to be allies. They fell out and there was a power struggle, where tonnes of 'gulenists' were arrested and locked up. Erdogan's been spouting conspiracy theories about him ever since - the sources I've read that mention him here are all pro-govt.

[Saiwania]

It will however be anti-Islamist, and I assume therein lies his motive.

You'd be correct. Conservative Islam is very bad, it tends to cause more problems for the westernized nations I'm so in favor of. Conservatism in a western context, I am heavily in favor of however. That way we can perhaps get nationalism and imperialism back while abolishing globalism. Overall, with the exception of there being inferior technology, the 19th century was the best time period.

[Aelex]

So if you vote for cameron and you dont like him you support a undemocratic coup by force?

If he tries to establish a dictatorship, sure.

[Geilinor]

Obama is supporting erdogen. Great, just great.

He didn't mention Erdogan. It's best to be cautious in case it fails.

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

https://twitter.com/thevocaleurope/stat ... wsrc%5Etfw

[Zeinbrad]

Images on CNN show protestors patting soldiers on the back and congratulating them.

Makes me wonder if any of the supposed military shooting at protesters was actually loyalist. Miscommunication is a bitch.

[Remnants of Exilvania]

You may despise them, but they haven't done anything to suppress democracy.

Mass surveillance, support of terrorist groups, no referendum to choose either to take refugees in or let them out, etc, etc.

No mass surveillance. Wasn`t it the US doing it?
No support of terrorist groups. Only government support is to Kurds in fight against ISIS. May be that private sector has deals with terrorists.
And we don`t have referendums.

[Valaran]

incidentally there's plenty of videos of casualties circulating.



fairly but not freely

I'd find this a convincing argument if Erdogan had gotten 80% of the vote.

hm?

Are you saying it was free? I didn't think you were, but was confused...

[Lindenholt]

Obama is supporting erdogen. Great, just great.

I am sure that if the coup were to succeed, Obama would support the coup.

[Esternial]

Obama is supporting erdogen. Great, just great.

He didn't mention Erdogan. It's best to be cautious in case it fails.

Frankly if I were Obama I'd put my smartphone on silent for the rest of the day.

[Skappola]

Obama is supporting erdogen. Great, just great.

He didn't mention Erdogan. It's best to be cautious in case it fails.

He says that he supports the democratically elected government, which is Erdogen's gov.

[Nariterrr]

Obama is supporting erdogen. Great, just great.

Now that it's clear the coup failed, yeah. That's the American MO.

The coup will fail.

[Kelinfort]

Obama is supporting erdogen. Great, just great.

I am sure that if the coup were to succeed, Obama would support the coup.

No doubt about it. He'll also support Erdogan.

[Zeinbrad]

He didn't mention Erdogan. It's best to be cautious in case it fails.

Frankly if I were Obama I'd put my smartphone on silent for the rest of the day.

Now I have this imagine of Obama checking his phone and he has a bunch of text from Erdogan frantically calling for aid.

[Nariterrr]

Qatar condemns the attacks - Reuters.

[Geilinor]

Obama is supporting erdogen. Great, just great.

I am sure that if the coup were to succeed, Obama would support the coup.

Even if he does, it would be smarter for him to not say it publicly.

[Giovenith]

Frankly if I were Obama I'd put my smartphone on silent for the rest of the day.

Now I have this imagine of Obama checking his phone and he has a bunch of text from Erdogan frantically calling for aid.

Just a bunch of instagram pictures of the chaos.

[Valaran]

Qatar condemns the attacks - Reuters.

And that will be where AJ get their marching orders from.

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Mass surveillance, support of terrorist groups, no referendum to choose either to take refugees in or let them out, etc, etc.

No mass surveillance. Wasn`t it the US doing it?
No support of terrorist groups. Only government support is to Kurds in fight against ISIS. May be that private sector has deals with terrorists.
And we don`t have referendums.

Really? Germany and France are both giving arms and supplies to the countries that we all know that support ISIS. Where did ISIS find all those fancy, brand new Europeans weapons?

[Napkiraly]

Now that it's clear the coup failed, yeah. That's the American MO.

The coup will fail.

Hopefully not.

[Puzikas]

Tbh this is p valid
Alternatively they could be flying them simply because they feel its safer in the air than on the ground, striking airfields is def. something that happens.

Would certainly explain the drop tanks.

Its been awhile but I distinctly remember airfield protection was an obscenely high priority in the N. Caucasus because its really easy to just shoot up a $22 million fighter with a $120 rocket, and obviously thats highly desirable.

Isn't your brother's family your family?

Probably the English language's fault.

In Dutch, for instance, we have a seperate word ("gezin") for your immediate family i.e. mom, dad and their kids. Can't readily think of an English alternative for that.

Hope your brother's family fares well too, Gio.

Extended family.
I ran into that same issue while learning English.

[Great Feng]

Frankly if I were Obama I'd put my smartphone on silent for the rest of the day.

Now I have this imagine of Obama checking his phone and he has a bunch of text from Erdogan frantically calling for aid.

Erdogan: Help me bro:
Erdogan: You there?
Erdogan: Hellooo?????
Erdogan: Don't make me talk to Putin
Erdogan: I thought we had something Special Barry!
Obama: Fine fine I'll do something...Jesus.

[Risottia]

(source RaiNews)
Pro-Erdogan protesters have taken to the streets in Istanbul, while also anti-Erdogan protesters are being reported gathering around the Army and applauding as their tanks drive by.
In the meanwhile, Erdogan is trying to escape to Europe. Looks like Germany didn't allow him to land (my guess: to prevent further tensions among the rather large Turkish community of Germany), so he's heading to the Netherlands.

Eech bad pick. Iceland probably has fewest angry turkish people.

I would have guessed Switzerland aka Myforeignbankaccountland would have been a more likely choice.

[Koninkrijk Zeeland]

Obama is supporting erdogen. Great, just great.

He didn't mention Erdogan. It's best to be cautious in case it fails.

Erdogan is the elected leader , even if he acts likes a middle age king , he is still the leader. You don't shoot your boss if you dislike him.