Truck Drives Through Crowd in Nice, France

[Minzerland]

And white people aren't?

How would you clasify colonisation, genocide on native people and racism towards people of color?

France has a hystorical guilt. It has opressed and colonised Syria. Now, it must accept as many muslims as possible.

'How would you classify Islamic conquests, terror attacks and discrimination towards religious minorities?

Turkey has a historical guilt. It has oppressed and colonised the Balkans. Now, no one wants to go to the Middle-East because it is a sit hole.'

See I can do the same bullshit as you.

[Qvircillighi]

*cough* Y'know, I kinda expected more responses about "This incident was horrible, my condolences, etc." while reading through. Unfortunately what I got was a whole load of political stuff. I guess thats just the way NS rolls.

But anyways, my condolences to the families of the injured and victims.

This is a discussion forum. Why wouldn't you expect discussion?

Of course I expect discussion, it is a forum after all. I just expected more of the former responses earlier in the topic.

[Liriena]

Because white nationalists are objectivly speaking more likely to comite such grusome crime.

Really? Where is the evidence behind this objective conclusion, that modern acts of terror are more likely to be committed by white nationalists than Muslims?

Well, if think tanks are anything to go by... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/22/rightwing-lone-wolves-islamist-extremists-report-thinktank-rusi

[Dameth]

People are being killed because they live in squalor, desperation, and bigotry. The religion makes it easier.

Heard of Irish territory much since political and economic stability came back? It's about situations.

Uh God. The Irish didn't kill each other because of their different interpretations of Mary. Their religious conflict was nationalist in nature. The Protestants wanted to be British, the Catholics Irish. The IRA didn't kill Protestants because they rejected the Pope.

Most if not all wars are political before being religious, including the war against ISIS. The extreme interpretation of the Qran is just a tool. ISIS want to establish itself as a state in the middle east, and uses a litteral interpretation of an old book to legitimize their action. This is a war of territorial nature, not of religious / ideological nature.

[The East Marches]

Then why is Northern Ireland still a goatfuck despite getting almost 1/4 of their GDP subsidized? You have left out the possibility of fanaticism and the fact some people enjoy fighting.

It's not? The article you linked to shows that there are frequent bomb threats but the police seemed to have it under control.

One bomb a week and constant riots during summertime is a bit much for such a small place. The point being is that poor governance and poverty alone are not the only thing that causes warfare/bad shit. Fanatical ideology does too. I believe there is at least one dissent IRA supporter on the forums who would be able to shed more light on it from their aspect.

[Impireacht]

I just fucking woke up and I hear of another round of terrorist attacks first thing in the bloody morning.

And I've got to go to work so I can't even go back to bed and strike this sodding day from my calendar.

I'm fucking sick of it. Can I please be physically moved to live several decades in the past?

Okay. *Moves to Nazi Germany during WWII** You said several decades.
Conflict is a constant. You can go back a hundred years or forward a hundred and there will still be conflict. There is no escape.

[Stucco Houses]

You're aware there was more terrorism in Europe then, yes?

On an intellectual level, probably, yes.

Part of feeling sick of the "hearing of it" thing, I suppose, since nothing seems to exist to fucking stop this shit from happening.

So you can live in another time with wars being fought for equally stupid reasons in different places? Sounds wonderful.

Quite a few decades too many on that count.

Don't watch so much corporate media. There is more reporting on terror even though there is growingly less terror to report on. Though it doesn't seem so, this is the most peaceful era in human history.

A small minority is violent, not the other way around. To think this is not so is simple, genuine bigotry.

Islam simply inhabits a more impoverished and imperialized part of the world. They have no economic stability, no political stability, and nowhere for the young people affected by this lack of stability to channel their rage. It is inevitable.

Islam is not at fault and ought not be that which is fought, bad situations, poor governance, and dire economic straits are and ought.

Then why is Northern Ireland still a goatfuck despite getting almost 1/4 of their GDP subsidized? You have left out the possibility of fanaticism and the fact some people enjoy fighting.

Political instability and economic destitution frequently have little to do with economic aid. When your institutions are unstable, you are generally less likely to succeed economically and more likely to have terrorism.

The Quran is not the real problem. Wahhabis basically ignore the Quran. Very few Muslims are Quranist. The Wahhabis obsess over the Haddith. So do must Muslims focus on the Haddith.

There is no consistent view of what is truly Haddith, and a lot of it is just hate filled rants and competly made up.

Half of the Quran is a problem. The Quran of Medina is brutal, as opposed to the more pacific Quran of Mecca. Although yes, most Wahhabis and most Muslims do indeed focus on the Ahadith, or at least the Ulama's interpretations of them.

Half of the Bible is a problem. The Old Testament is brutal, as opposed to the more pacific New Testament. The religions are all similarly multifaceted, this simply proves further that Islam is not the problem, but that poverty is.

[IndependentGreenland]

A small minority is violent, not the other way around. To think this is not so is simple, genuine bigotry.

Islam simply inhabits a more impoverished and imperialized part of the world. They have no economic stability, no political stability, and nowhere for the young people affected by this lack of stability to channel their rage. It is inevitable.

Islam is not at fault and ought not be that which is fought, bad situations, poor governance, and dire economic straits are and ought.

Islam is at fault for being so retrograde. Much of the Muslim world is akin to Latin America in development. Yet they are so much more retrograde and religiously intolerant.

I literally live in Northern Ireland. There were riots recently on the 12th of July (Orange Day) from both sides.

Do you live in squalor? Did they fight over the Roman Curia?

They fight over petrol bombings in the past...

[Olerand]

Strange. Plenty of other poor countries don't have such extreme problems with terrorism.

Name one. Most of the poorest countries do have problems with terrorism.

Most of the Muslim world is middle income. A few are higher income. A few are lower. All have problems.

[Novus America]

Half of the Quran is a problem. The Quran of Medina is brutal, as opposed to the more pacific Quran of Mecca. Although yes, most Wahhabis and most Muslims do indeed focus on the Ahadith, or at least the Ulama's interpretations of them.

The core of Islam teaches Muslims to read the Quran extensively. Salafists read a sort of 'Quran 2' which is even more radical than the normal Quran.

Well that is the Haddith. The Quran has become increasingly reduced to a secondary status in favor of the Haddith. And the Salafi Haddith is so radical it makes Mein Kampf (almost) reasonable in comparison.

[Republic of Wijaya]

Al Qaeda is actually smarter than ISIS and more moderate relatively speaking. That is why ISIS has split from the group, which has apparently broken all 7 of their rules for "successful Jihad." We should rather have Al Qaeda as an enemy than ISIS, because at least they could be contained.

Al Qaeda's rules for effective terrorism were thus:

1. Don't fight civil wars.
2. Don't kill civilians.
3. Don't flaunt your bloodlust.
4. Don't rule harshly.
5. Don't claim territory unless you can feed the people.
6. Don't fight your allies.
7. Don't alarm your enemies prematurely.

This article goes into detail about how ISIS has broken all of it and will pretty much come and go just as fast as the TEA party. The raid on Osama Bin Laden's house uncovered many letters and directives about what was going wrong within Islamic fundamentalism from Al Qaeda's perspective. They were dismayed that their affiliates couldn't govern because they had too much brutality which they recognize as folly.

What the ..,? You

[Patridam]

Even if cops being racist killers was anything resembling a widespread problem, which it isn't, there's a big flaw in that comparison.

Police protocol doesn't say to murder minorities. The Quran says to do those afformentioned things.

The Quran is not the real problem. Wahhabis basically ignore the Quran. Very few Muslims are Quranist. The Wahhabis obsess over the Haddith. So do must Muslims focus on the Haddith.

There is no consistent view of what is truly Haddith, and a lot of it is just hate filled rants and competly made up.

The Quran itself orders people to kill polytheists, gays, atheists, and (if they don't pay tax to the islamic state) Christians and Jews. It also includes the order that Islam is perfect (e.g. cannot be subject to critical thinking). The Haddiths adds to kill people who leave Islam and reiterates the rest of the orders more violently, amid plenty of other violent ramblings.

[Republic of Wijaya]

Al Qaeda is actually smarter than ISIS and more moderate relatively speaking. That is why ISIS has split from the group, which has apparently broken all 7 of their rules for "successful Jihad." We should rather have Al Qaeda as an enemy than ISIS, because at least they could be contained.

Al Qaeda's rules for effective terrorism were thus:

1. Don't fight civil wars.
2. Don't kill civilians.
3. Don't flaunt your bloodlust.
4. Don't rule harshly.
5. Don't claim territory unless you can feed the people.
6. Don't fight your allies.
7. Don't alarm your enemies prematurely.

This article goes into detail about how ISIS has broken all of it and will pretty much come and go just as fast as the TEA party. The raid on Osama Bin Laden's house uncovered many letters and directives about what was going wrong within Islamic fundamentalism from Al Qaeda's perspective. They were dismayed that their affiliates couldn't govern because they had too much brutality which they recognize as folly.

What the ..,? You

[Stucco Houses]

How would you clasify colonisation, genocide on native people and racism towards people of color?

France has a hystorical guilt. It has opressed and colonised Syria. Now, it must accept as many muslims as possible.

'How would you classify Islamic conquests, terror attacks and discrimination towards religious minorities?

Turkey has a historical guilt. It has oppressed and colonised the Balkans. Now, no one wants to go to the Middle-East because it is a sit hole.'

See I can do the same bullshit as you.

Islamic imperialism was also brutal, but ultimately, the West colonized all. Thus, the West has a historical guilt.

[Eol Sha]

This is a discussion forum. Why wouldn't you expect discussion?

Of course I expect discussion, it is a forum after all. I just expected more of the former responses earlier in the topic.

What's the point? What will that achieve? Nothing will change by giving our thoughts and prayers.

[The East Marches]

Political instability and economic destitution frequently have little to do with economic aid. When your institutions are unstable, you are generally less likely to succeed economically and more likely to have terrorism.

The institution of Northern Ireland are not unstable nor are they poor. Far from it infact. Yet again I have sourced something, provided a good counter-point and you've totally ignored it. Good work.

[Patridam]

And it must become a muslim dominated land, as with the rest of Europe, as Islam takes over the whole world and peace comes upon us once everyone converts, yada, yada.

If that is a payback for colonising the Middle East than so it must be.

Is this payback willed by Allah or something? Or are other countries just expected to sit back and take it as Muslims take over, willingly paying some twisted version of reparations for shit they may or may not have done that wasn't that evil to begin with?

[Napkiraly]

And white people aren't?

How would you clasify colonisation, genocide on native people and racism towards people of color?

France has a hystorical guilt. It has opressed and colonised Syria. Now, it must accept as many muslims as possible.

Yeah, most white people did not participate in that apart from the racism bit, but racism isn't limited to white people.

Not to mention Islam doesn't have a stellar record. I would suggest not holding double standards.

France has no such obligation.

[IndependentGreenland]

The core of Islam teaches Muslims to read the Quran extensively. Salafists read a sort of 'Quran 2' which is even more radical than the normal Quran.

Well that is the Haddith. The Quran has become increasingly reduced to a secondary status in favor of the Haddith. And the Salafi Haddith is so radical it makes Mein Kampf (almost) reasonable in comparison.

I dare people to find a single page in the Quran that doesn't have something radical or anti-Christian/anti-Jewish in it.

[Olerand]

Uh God. The Irish didn't kill each other because of their different interpretations of Mary. Their religious conflict was nationalist in nature. The Protestants wanted to be British, the Catholics Irish. The IRA didn't kill Protestants because they rejected the Pope.

Most if not all wars are political before being religious, including the war against ISIS. The extreme interpretation of the Qran is just a tool. ISIS want to establish itself as a state in the middle east, and uses a litteral interpretation of an old book to legitimize their action. This is a war of territorial nature, not of religious / ideological nature.

States have ideologies, we of all people should know that. Politics is not a separate realm from religion or ideology.

On an intellectual level, probably, yes.

Part of feeling sick of the "hearing of it" thing, I suppose, since nothing seems to exist to fucking stop this shit from happening.


Quite a few decades too many on that count.

Don't watch so much corporate media. There is more reporting on terror even though there is growingly less terror to report on. Though it doesn't seem so, this is the most peaceful era in human history.

Then why is Northern Ireland still a goatfuck despite getting almost 1/4 of their GDP subsidized? You have left out the possibility of fanaticism and the fact some people enjoy fighting.

Political instability and economic destitution frequently have little to do with economic aid. When your institutions are unstable, you are generally less likely to succeed economically and more likely to have terrorism.

Half of the Quran is a problem. The Quran of Medina is brutal, as opposed to the more pacific Quran of Mecca. Although yes, most Wahhabis and most Muslims do indeed focus on the Ahadith, or at least the Ulama's interpretations of them.

Half of the Bible is a problem. The Old Testament is brutal, as opposed to the more pacific New Testament. The religions are all similarly multifaceted, this simply proves further that Islam is not the problem, but that poverty is.

Did I give you the sense of being a Christian apologist? And what a reductive reasoning, that would explicitly eliminate non-poor terrorists. Yet plenty, and many if not most of the highest profile terrorists, were not poor. Poverty breeds religiosity, which breeds radicalism. Poverty does not breed -religious or otherwise- radicalism directly.

[Republic of Wijaya]

Al Qaeda is actually smarter than ISIS and more moderate relatively speaking. That is why ISIS has split from the group, which has apparently broken all 7 of their rules for "successful Jihad." We should rather have Al Qaeda as an enemy than ISIS, because at least they could be contained.

Al Qaeda's rules for effective terrorism were thus:

1. Don't fight civil wars.
2. Don't kill civilians.
3. Don't flaunt your bloodlust.
4. Don't rule harshly.
5. Don't claim territory unless you can feed the people.
6. Don't fight your allies.
7. Don't alarm your enemies prematurely.

This article goes into detail about how ISIS has broken all of it and will pretty much come and go just as fast as the TEA party. The raid on Osama Bin Laden's house uncovered many letters and directives about what was going wrong within Islamic fundamentalism from Al Qaeda's perspective. They were dismayed that their affiliates couldn't govern because they had too much brutality which they recognize as folly.

What the ..,? You

[Novus America]

On an intellectual level, probably, yes.

Part of feeling sick of the "hearing of it" thing, I suppose, since nothing seems to exist to fucking stop this shit from happening.


Quite a few decades too many on that count.

Don't watch so much corporate media. There is more reporting on terror even though there is growingly less terror to report on. Though it doesn't seem so, this is the most peaceful era in human history.

Then why is Northern Ireland still a goatfuck despite getting almost 1/4 of their GDP subsidized? You have left out the possibility of fanaticism and the fact some people enjoy fighting.

Political instability and economic destitution frequently have little to do with economic aid. When your institutions are unstable, you are generally less likely to succeed economically and more likely to have terrorism.

Half of the Quran is a problem. The Quran of Medina is brutal, as opposed to the more pacific Quran of Mecca. Although yes, most Wahhabis and most Muslims do indeed focus on the Ahadith, or at least the Ulama's interpretations of them.

Half of the Bible is a problem. The Old Testament is brutal, as opposed to the more pacific New Testament. The religions are all similarly multifaceted, this simply proves further that Islam is not the problem, but that poverty is.

Qatar is not poor. The problem is Wahhabism. Not all Wahhabis are poor or from poor countries. The problem is a sick and radical ideology spread by oil wealth.

[Stucco Houses]

The Quran is not the real problem. Wahhabis basically ignore the Quran. Very few Muslims are Quranist. The Wahhabis obsess over the Haddith. So do must Muslims focus on the Haddith.

There is no consistent view of what is truly Haddith, and a lot of it is just hate filled rants and competly made up.

The Quran itself orders people to kill polytheists, gays, atheists, and (if they don't pay tax to the islamic state) Christians and Jews. It also includes the order that Islam is perfect (e.g. cannot be subject to critical thinking). The Haddiths adds to kill people who leave Islam and reiterates the rest of the orders more violently, amid plenty of other violent ramblings.

The Bible and Catholic as well as Protestant doctrine itself orders people to kill polytheists, gays, atheists, Muslims and Jews. It also includes the order that Christianity is perfect (e.g. cannot be subject to critical thinking). The more extreme sects and revisionist teachings add to kill people who leave Christianity and reiterates the rest of the orders more violently, amid plenty of other violent ramblings.

[The East Marches]

'How would you classify Islamic conquests, terror attacks and discrimination towards religious minorities?

Turkey has a historical guilt. It has oppressed and colonised the Balkans. Now, no one wants to go to the Middle-East because it is a sit hole.'

See I can do the same bullshit as you.

Islamic imperialism was also brutal, but ultimately, the West colonized all. Thus, the West has a historical guilt.

You've gotta be fucking kidding me. What guilt do I bear for people that I am not even related to? My family wasn't colonizing anything? Why should I or the descended of the colonizer be held responsible. Neither I nor he have colonized anybody. We don't believe in the sins of the father. Unless you want to take us backwards in time. You are effectively validating the Crusaderboos and those that want all the muslims kicked out.

[IndependentGreenland]

Political instability and economic destitution frequently have little to do with economic aid. When your institutions are unstable, you are generally less likely to succeed economically and more likely to have terrorism.

The institution of Northern Ireland are not unstable nor are they poor. Far from it infact. Yet again I have sourced something, provided a good counter-point and you've totally ignored it. Good work.

Born and living in Northern Ireland was actually quite nice. I've plenty of money. Why do people think Northern Ireland is a poor goatfuck IRA shithole?