Truck Drives Through Crowd in Nice, France

[Mefpan]

You're aware there was more terrorism in Europe then, yes?

On an intellectual level, probably, yes.

Part of feeling sick of the "hearing of it" thing, I suppose, since nothing seems to exist to fucking stop this shit from happening.

So you can live in another time with wars being fought for equally stupid reasons in different places? Sounds wonderful.

Quite a few decades too many on that count.

[Novus America]

So long as we're characterizing entire groups of people by what the most extreme among them do, all cops are racist killers too.

Even if cops being racist killers was anything resembling a widespread problem, which it isn't, there's a big flaw in that comparison.

Police protocol doesn't say to murder minorities. The Quran says to do those afformentioned things.

The Quran is not the real problem. Wahhabis basically ignore the Quran. Very few Muslims are Quranist. The Wahhabis obsess over the Haddith. So do must Muslims focus on the Haddith.

There is no consistent view of what is truly Haddith, and a lot of it is just hate filled rants and competly made up.

[Freefall11111]

*cough* Y'know, I kinda expected more responses about "This incident was horrible, my condolences, etc." while reading through. Unfortunately what I got was a whole load of political stuff. I guess thats just the way NS rolls.

But anyways, my condolences to the families of the injured and victims.

It's a political forum. Political discussion is what happens. If you just want pages of feel good sayings, Facebook's the place to go.

[IndependentGreenland]

Because white nationalists are objectivly speaking more likely to comite such grusome crime. Also, I doubt there is a difference between french and white nationalism.

France (The French etc.) and white nationalism aren't synonymous, m8.

Everyone seems to focus on white nationalists/supremacists while completely forgetting asian or black supremacists. The latest reports are saying that he was an Islamist of Tunisian descent anyway.

[The East Marches]

The Irish still get one bomb a week. Its just a bit quieter on the riot side now.

Source please, and it's definitely less than it used to be.

Does the word of a Northern Irish police officer count?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/sep/24/republican-bomb-alerts-northern-ireland

The Guardian has it at 1 bomb a day but my friend thought that too extreme as it included false bomb calls. The word of mouth is less than the official statistic. I will you decide which one you prefer.

[Eol Sha]

*cough* Y'know, I kinda expected more responses about "This incident was horrible, my condolences, etc." while reading through. Unfortunately what I got was a whole load of political stuff. I guess thats just the way NS rolls.

But anyways, my condolences to the families of the injured and victims.

This is a discussion forum. Why wouldn't you expect discussion?

[Olerand]

Uh God. The Irish didn't kill each other because of their different interpretations of Mary. Their religious conflict was nationalist in nature. The Protestants wanted to be British, the Catholics Irish. The IRA didn't kill Protestants because they rejected the Pope.

Missed my point, but okay.

My point is that terrorism is a symptom of far more important and pressing matters than the minutiae of religious doctrine.

But the Irish weren't living in squalor either. Ireland wasn't a third world country.

Many of the European terrorists didn't live "in squalor" either. The Brussels ring owned smoking bars.

The ideology matters. The ideology is rigid and unenlightened. The ideology kills.

[Patridam]

Now, it must accept as many muslims as possible.

And it must become a muslim dominated land, as with the rest of Europe, as Islam takes over the whole world and peace comes upon us once everyone converts, yada, yada.

[Republic of Wijaya]

I Hope that Citizen of France should not Affraid and if you Affraid of Truck Terror then Purpose from Terrorist will be Completed

#We Are Not Affraid

[Salus Maior]

2. Don't kill civilians.

Well, they failed that. Like 100 times over.

[Freefall11111]

My point is that terrorism is a symptom of far more important and pressing matters than the minutiae of religious doctrine.

Spoiler: It's poverty driven. Not every single individual case, but the movements as a whole.

[Stucco Houses]

And the Bible and years of doctrine and history tell Christians and Jews to do the same thing.

The difference being that Jews and Christians are smart enough to ignore the murdery bits of the old testament using critical thinking, and such interpretations are respected/common. Muslims are apparently not, and are in fact NOT allowed to ignore the murderous bits of the Quran, because part of the Quran's teachings is that it is absolutely perfect in every way and cannot be ignored or revised.

The point is very very much with Islam. Muslims can learn to become peaceful and work against violence as Christians and Jews have, a small minority already has. But Muslims and Islam itself needs to change VASTLY for it to be anything resembling peaceful. The only peace pursuant to even moderate islam is when not only all other religions are dead, but when all other interpretations of islam are dead too.

A small minority is violent, not the other way around. To think this is not so is simple, genuine bigotry.

Islam simply inhabits a more impoverished and imperialized part of the world. They have no economic stability, no political stability, and nowhere for the young people affected by this lack of stability to channel their rage. It is inevitable.

Islam is not at fault and ought not be that which is fought, bad situations, poor governance, and dire economic straits are and ought.

[Freefall11111]

2. Don't kill civilians.

Well, they failed that. Like 100 times over.

'Do as I say not as I do' seems appropriate.

[IndependentGreenland]

Missed my point, but okay.

My point is that terrorism is a symptom of far more important and pressing matters than the minutiae of religious doctrine.

But the Irish weren't living in squalor either. Ireland wasn't a third world country.

Many of the European terrorists didn't live "in squalor" either. The Brussels ring owned smoking bars.

The ideology matters. The ideology is rigid and unenlightened. The ideology kills.

I literally live in Northern Ireland. There were riots recently on the 12th of July (Orange Day) from both sides.

[Olerand]

Even if cops being racist killers was anything resembling a widespread problem, which it isn't, there's a big flaw in that comparison.

Police protocol doesn't say to murder minorities. The Quran says to do those afformentioned things.

The Quran is not the real problem. Wahhabis basically ignore the Quran. Very few Muslims are Quranist. The Wahhabis obsess over the Haddith. So do must Muslims focus on the Haddith.

There is no consistent view of what is truly Haddith, and a lot of it is just hate filled rants and competly made up.

Half of the Quran is a problem. The Quran of Medina is brutal, as opposed to the more pacific Quran of Mecca. Although yes, most Wahhabis and most Muslims do indeed focus on the Ahadith, or at least the Ulama's interpretations of them.

[The East Marches]

The difference being that Jews and Christians are smart enough to ignore the murdery bits of the old testament using critical thinking, and such interpretations are respected/common. Muslims are apparently not, and are in fact NOT allowed to ignore the murderous bits of the Quran, because part of the Quran's teachings is that it is absolutely perfect in every way and cannot be ignored or revised.

The point is very very much with Islam. Muslims can learn to become peaceful and work against violence as Christians and Jews have, a small minority already has. But Muslims and Islam itself needs to change VASTLY for it to be anything resembling peaceful. The only peace pursuant to even moderate islam is when not only all other religions are dead, but when all other interpretations of islam are dead too.

A small minority is violent, not the other way around. To think this is not so is simple, genuine bigotry.

Islam simply inhabits a more impoverished and imperialized part of the world. They have no economic stability, no political stability, and nowhere for the young people affected by this lack of stability to channel their rage. It is inevitable.

Islam is not at fault and ought not be that which is fought, bad situations, poor governance, and dire economic straits are and ought.

Then why is Northern Ireland still a goatfuck despite getting almost 1/4 of their GDP subsidized? You have left out the possibility of fanaticism and the fact some people enjoy fighting.

[Patridam]

Because white nationalists are objectivly speaking more likely to comite such grusome crime.

Really? Where is the evidence behind this objective conclusion, that modern acts of terror are more likely to be committed by white nationalists than Muslims?

[IndependentGreenland]

The Quran is not the real problem. Wahhabis basically ignore the Quran. Very few Muslims are Quranist. The Wahhabis obsess over the Haddith. So do must Muslims focus on the Haddith.

There is no consistent view of what is truly Haddith, and a lot of it is just hate filled rants and competly made up.

Half of the Quran is a problem. The Quran of Medina is brutal, as opposed to the more pacific Quran of Mecca. Although yes, most Wahhabis and most Muslims do indeed focus on the Ahadith, or at least the Ulama's interpretations of them.

The core of Islam teaches Muslims to read the Quran extensively. Salafists read a sort of 'Quran 2' which is even more radical than the normal Quran.

[Olerand]

The difference being that Jews and Christians are smart enough to ignore the murdery bits of the old testament using critical thinking, and such interpretations are respected/common. Muslims are apparently not, and are in fact NOT allowed to ignore the murderous bits of the Quran, because part of the Quran's teachings is that it is absolutely perfect in every way and cannot be ignored or revised.

The point is very very much with Islam. Muslims can learn to become peaceful and work against violence as Christians and Jews have, a small minority already has. But Muslims and Islam itself needs to change VASTLY for it to be anything resembling peaceful. The only peace pursuant to even moderate islam is when not only all other religions are dead, but when all other interpretations of islam are dead too.

A small minority is violent, not the other way around. To think this is not so is simple, genuine bigotry.

Islam simply inhabits a more impoverished and imperialized part of the world. They have no economic stability, no political stability, and nowhere for the young people affected by this lack of stability to channel their rage. It is inevitable.

Islam is not at fault and ought not be that which is fought, bad situations, poor governance, and dire economic straits are and ought.

Islam is at fault for being so retrograde. Much of the Muslim world is akin to Latin America in development. Yet they are so much more retrograde and religiously intolerant.

But the Irish weren't living in squalor either. Ireland wasn't a third world country.

Many of the European terrorists didn't live "in squalor" either. The Brussels ring owned smoking bars.

The ideology matters. The ideology is rigid and unenlightened. The ideology kills.

I literally live in Northern Ireland. There were riots recently on the 12th of July (Orange Day) from both sides.

Do you live in squalor? Did they fight over the Roman Curia?

[Geilinor]

Then why is Northern Ireland still a goatfuck despite getting almost 1/4 of their GDP subsidized? You have left out the possibility of fanaticism and the fact some people enjoy fighting.

It's not? The article you linked to shows that there are frequent bomb threats but the police seemed to have it under control.

[Novus America]

And the Bible and years of doctrine and history tell Christians and Jews to do the same thing. The point isn't in the texts or teachings just as it isn't in the police code, people are being killed because of poverty, prejudice, and misinformation.

People are being killed because they can't read this 1400 year old book with some critical judgment and thought. That's what happens when your book is divinely revealed.

Well again the Haddith, which was written more recently is the greater problem.

Quranist Muslims are a tiny and very moderate minority, mostly existing in the US and Canada.

[Unified Governments]

My point is that terrorism is a symptom of far more important and pressing matters than the minutiae of religious doctrine.

Spoiler: It's poverty driven. Not every single individual case, but the movements as a whole.

Strange. Plenty of other poor countries don't have such extreme problems with terrorism.

[IndependentGreenland]

A small minority is violent, not the other way around. To think this is not so is simple, genuine bigotry.

Islam simply inhabits a more impoverished and imperialized part of the world. They have no economic stability, no political stability, and nowhere for the young people affected by this lack of stability to channel their rage. It is inevitable.

Islam is not at fault and ought not be that which is fought, bad situations, poor governance, and dire economic straits are and ought.

Then why is Northern Ireland still a goatfuck despite getting almost 1/4 of their GDP subsidized? You have left out the possibility of fanaticism and the fact some people enjoy fighting.

Most of the people who fight are drunk idiots. I'm starting to think that Northern Irish politicians get drunk too when giving out their speeches.

[Geilinor]

Spoiler: It's poverty driven. Not every single individual case, but the movements as a whole.

Strange. Plenty of other poor countries don't have such extreme problems with terrorism.

Name one. Most of the poorest countries do have problems with terrorism.

[Mefpan]

And white people aren't?

How would you clasify colonisation, genocide on native people and racism towards people of color?

France has a hystorical guilt. It has opressed and colonised Syria. Now, it must accept as many muslims as possible.

No. Fuck that.

Hereditary guilt is bullshit. I refuse to be punished for having a blood relation with people who used to do abhorrent shit. Unless we're going full tilt with blood guilt, at which point we might as well start kicking out everyone who nominally shares the religion of these terrorists, because hey it's another way people seem to be related to each other, so guilt must very well transmit over that medium too.